Becky, I've had similar problems with some of my lines. If you can't find him in Vermont (not surprising, as I recently found my gg-grandmother, who I could NEVER find in the Vital Records of Vermont, through digging, calling distant relatives, etc. and then finding someone who had her parent's Family Bible!!), I recommend that you go to CT. You may have hit a dead-end. This would be quite typical of family members who moved around from one generation to another. I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War of 1812 > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my gggrandfather is > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. Everything > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say VT. I > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he served > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not sure. His > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about him. > Any suggestions on where to look? > Becky > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > The Connecticut River Valley List covers the history and genealogy of the Connecticut River Valley. > http://searches.rootweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl put Ct-River-Valley in the box > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogy library for Conn River area) > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

This is a brief "history" of Vt that may help ....... One needs to know the history of the boundary changes in Vt and NH as well as Mass and Conn to know where to look for records Vermont was under the jurisdiction of NY for a while and NH as well until Vt became independent state in 1791. which means depending on the date of occurrence, the record could be in NY, NH, or Vt. 1760-1780: there were 2 Connecticut migrations- --eastern Vermont was populated by conservative, law-abiding, colonist and Congregationalist from eastern Conn [Windham Co.,Conn had a big migration to Vt] --western Vt were from the western Conn families who were less conservative, sectarian, and religious doubters, Baptist, Church of England, radical in religion and government. ---BOTH groups came for new cheap land --smaller migrations from western and central Massachusetts and Connecticut BORDER towns, also Rhode Is., New Hamp,.and NY[Dutchess County]---all these areas were adjoining [state of]Connecticut. ---hence the term "new Connecticut".......but VT was never part of Connecticut. ---settlements started in the south and moved north, generally in the winter when the "roads" were smoother and ice made river travel easier --1773....Scots arrived in Ryegate and Barnet --1770-80: tories were ousted, many fled to Canada with some NY and Nova Scotia. In advance of the British army and guerrilla expeditions on Lake Champlain and up the Connecticut River, many patriots panicked and moved back south ----------------------------- 1783-1803 ----migrations "exploded".....settlers from Connecticut still was the major source of population growth following by Mass., NH. RI, and eastern NY. ------------------------------- 1800-1808 ---town life begins to blossom and then fade ---every town had at least one distillery and it's rival, organized religion ---a lot of enthusiasm for organized religion: 7 Methodist circuits State wide Universalistic association 20 free will Baptist churches bickering among churches as within churches ----12 circulating libraries and 14 weekly papers.......[3 inWindsor alone] --------------------------------------------- People began leaving despite no outstanding depression, disease or controversy..........it was migration of surplus youth.......3/4 of the Vt population was under 30....... -----land in Canada was good, cheap and easy to reach ----northern NY became attractive for farming where winter travel by sled made the Vermonters first settlers in all northern NY counties ! ---Genessee fever...started in 1795 in central and western NY with advertised lands in the Military Tract, Phelps and Gorham Purchase, Holland Purchase. It was a chance to join relatives from Mass and Conn after probably being separated a generation or two. It's estimated that 500 sleds passed Albany on one winter day in 1795 and 15-20 boats up the Mohawk River on a summer day. ----hundreds moved down the Susquehanna Valley to the Delaware Gap area and northeastern Pennsylvania ----by 1800....the Western Reserve, southern Ohio, and the Gulf states. northern NY ------------------------------------------------- 1820-1830...increased Emigration.......... ----as always.....land --Lake Champlain Canal completed in 1822 became a water route to the Hudson River ---Erie Canal in NY......routes east and west -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1830-1840 after 1836 emigration became a public issue........as a response VT became committed to a single crop---sheep.....more than the south was committed to cotton ----1,500,000 sheep kept grazing and ate back the forest ---most of the emigrants during this time were poor farmers whose land had given out, as well as educated youth, craftspeople, etc. ----wagon trails followed the old water routes [and canals] ----5 popular states of choice at this time : NY, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin, with some choosing eastern seaboard cities and some went to deep south. -------------------------------------------------------- 1850-1860 Railroads........... --------------------------------- Hope this will help some of you folks who are doing searches in the New England area, especially in the Conn River Valley area of VT,Mass,NH, and Conn. --------------------------------------- >From my own experience , the folks who migrated from Windham County in Conn settled Windham Co in Vt Many of the towns in Vt have the same names as towns in Mass and Conn Many of Worcester county area folks migrated to "western" part of NH.....in the towns of Cheshire and Sullivan counties........as well as Windsor ,VT ----------------- If you are searching in the areas I listed above.....there is a book called " Collecting Vermont Ancestors" by Alice Eichholz,Ph.d, C.G. ; printed by New Trails! in Monteplier,Vt 1993...........excellent book Cynthia listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> > I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he > was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> > > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my > gggrandfather is > > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. > Everything > > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say > VT. I > > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he > served > > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not > sure. His > > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about > him. > > Any suggestions on where to look? > > Becky > > > > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his > birthplace> > > > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared > their > > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In > July, > > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To > my > > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT.