Richard, Hello, Since I too am a descendant of Stebbins line, that was taken captive by the Indians and taken to Deerfield, I would like to hear what you have? Sherrie, From: Howard A Stebbins <stebbhs@juno.com> Hi Richard, If you have lots of info on captives from New England dropped off at the Indian Village perhaps some of the readers on here would be interested. How about sharing? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:57:13 -0700 (PDT) rclwps@webtv.net (Richard Le Maire) writes: Could this be Caughnawaga an Indian village near Montreal and dropping off point for captives from New England. I have lots of info on them. Richard/CA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Le Maire <rclwps@webtv.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] New Eng. Captive-Elizabeth Howe > Howe, Elizabeth, of Marlborough. > Richard, thanks I have seen this work and copied the pages you quoted. I hope this will lead to further discussion regarding "English" captives. The following is a related website: http://genweb.net/~captivity/> > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

I read that as a kid. My father got it for Christmas a long time ago. You can tell I love history. Richard

thanks for new site. I only copied the entire entry for teasers in the hopes more will get into the Captives. I gave a lecture on this to 50+ at the Southern California Genealogical Society iin Butbank and only one other person was descended--a Phaneuf (farnsworth) Richard

Most of my research has been on the French-Candian side but the crossover was ineviable. Ihave John the father's will (copy) , Jean-Baptiste's baptism 1739, article from the Gfld. Courieur-now the Gfld Gazette- from the Stebbins file at the Pocmtuck Valley Historical Society, Deerfield, Mass. re "Thankful Stebbins An Unredeemed stebbins" give by Alice Baker, Feb 24, 1891 (copy), French-Canadian and Acadian Genealogicalreeview article-Ernest monty with short pedigree ofthe Alexanders with which I am not in full agreement, map of homelots on Longmeadow St. showing lots of Sam Stebbins, other Stibbinge, Stubbing, Stebbing, Stebbynges in this country and per de Stebbing , Stebenne, Steben etc. in Canadacopy of baptism of Abigail stebben signed by Vaudreuil, meriel pretre, marguerite stebbens in her hand and others,article from Hacock Herald (NY) 21 March 1963, by Pierre De Nion re Pierre de Noyon aka Aaron ,copy of first several pages from "the Original Lists of Persons of quality" 1600-1700 with their ages, the ocalities where they formerly lived etc."Brief Sketch ot the first settlement Deerfield, Mass. (48pages brief)and snotes I had taken from the Essex library in Salem MA plus pedigree charts for my own family. Josette Stebenne wasmy grandfather's grandmother. To others, please indicate from which child you descend. That gives me a better starting place. Richard PS I am from Turners Falls now living in Palm Springs. Little Joe went far and wide.

Howe, Elizabeth, of Marlborough. Born 16 July, 1675, the daughter ofJohn and Elizabeth (Ward). Her fther was killed at Sudbury in April, 1676 , and her soon married in Charletown, Captain Kerley. marlborough was at that time untenable, but the family returned later and there was Elizabeth's home. Her sister Sarah was the wife of Peter Joslin of Lancaster and Elizabeth was carried away from their house. Perhaps Joslin told the story to Mr. harrington, and perhaps he was in the meeeting-house and heard the parson repeat it inhis 'Century Sermon" of 1753 , fr he lutlived four wives , dying in 1759. It was "on the 18th July 1692 that the Indians assaulted the House of Mr. Peter Joslin, who was at his labour in the Field and knew nothing of it till entring the Housefound Wife and three Children and a Woman (the widow Hutchinson) that liv'd in his Family barbarously butsher'd by their Hatchets and weltering in their gore. His Wife's sister with on of the Children were carried off into Captivity, she return'd; but that child ws murdered in the wilderness. Thus was he stripped naked and called to bitter Weeping and Lamentation." The child, Peter, aged six, probably soon became a burden. Mrs. Bigelow in her "Reiniscenses of Marlborough" sys that Mrs. josli with a two year-old child was taken and that she so wearied the Indians by asking for release that they, gathering all together, pushed her naked into their midst, danced around her "in their hellish manner" knocked her and the child on the head and burnt their bodies, threatening others with similar punishment. But this is a much later story than Harrington's. She says also tha Elizabeth Howe had so sweet a voice that the Indians spared her life that she might "give sweet sounds," and when she complained the delay in her redemption (which was in 1696, according to Nourse, who says also thtat she was carried to Canada) that she was answered that had it been a question of bartering for furs it would have been soner accomplished. It is said that she kept certain Indian habits, such as sitting on the floor, and that she never recovered from the terror and shock, and tht one can easily believe. When captured-at seventeen-she was "about to be married" to Thomas keyes. he, believing her dead, took a solemn vow never to marry, which vow he gladly broke when Elizabeth came back, but not immediately if the dates are correct- the marriage in Marlborough being January 23, 1698/9. rhwy had a family of five children; she living to be eighty-nine years old. On 17 April, 1701, he House voted that three pounds and eighteen shillings be paid "to Mr. Thomas Howe, he having paid so much for the Redemption of Elizabeth Howe, who was Captive to an Indian." Thomas probably was Elizabeth's uncle. From NEW ENGLAND CAPTIVE CARRIED T CANADA by Emma Lewis Coleman-Heritage CClassic. i typed this in toto to give an example of what these volumes contain. Richard

Here is the story of my ancestor, Elizabeth (Howe) Keyes, taken captive in 1692: Elizabeth How was b. 7/11/1675 in the eastern part of Marlborough, on the Boston Post Rd., between the village and “Wayside Inn” (immortalized by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow), which was built by her cousin, David Howe. Elizabeth was the daughter of John and Elizabeth (Ward) How. Elizabeth’s headstone and that of Thomas are found in the Old Spring Hill Cemetery in Marlborough. The story of Elizabeth’s capture by Indians can be found in Historical Reminiscences of Marlborough. On July 18,1692, as a young girl visiting her sister, the wife of Peter Joslin of Lancaster, MA, the Joslin home was attacked by Indians. Upon his return from the field, Peter found his wife, three children and the widow Whitcomb “barbarously butchered by their hatchets, and weltering in their gore”. A contemporary chronicler wrote of Peter: “Thus was he stript naked and called to bitter weeping and lamentation.” Elizabeth was taken captive into Canada. She was engaged to Thomas at the time of her capture. Believing that Elizabeth would never return, Thomas took a solemn vow never to marry. Four years later she was redeemed by the Government. After her redemption, Elizabeth returned by way of the Saco River and was brought to Boston, where she told Royal Governor Phipps “that if she had been a beaver skin she would have been redeemed much earlier”! It is said that she kept certain Indian habits, such as sitting on the floor, for some years after her return from captivity. After their marriage 1/23/1699, Thomas and Elizabeth settled in Marlborough, MA. On 12/30/1718, Thomas Keyes was granted 70 acres at Shrewsbury, MA and removed from Marlborough shortly thereafter (History of the Town of Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, by A. H. Ward, 1847). Thomas d. 8/25/1742. Elizabeth d. 8/18/1764 at the age of 89.

The Boston Public Library also has the Boston Transcript on file. They have a few other newspapers as well. They might be able to help you there too. Charlene Crosthwaite Connecticut (with Massachusetts connections)

Hi Richard, If you have lots of info on captives from New England dropped off at the Indian Village perhaps some of the readers on here would be interested. How about sharing? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:57:13 -0700 (PDT) rclwps@webtv.net (Richard Le Maire) writes: > > could this be Caughnawaga an Indian village near Montreal and > dropping > off point for captives from New England. > I have lots of info on them. > Richard/CA > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River > Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley > area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > Howard (CT) PLAIN Text only. NO ATTACHMENTS. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I am very familiar with this subject and will gladly help others find relatives. It is a fascinating subject. By the way the subject is the name of two volumes by Emma Lewis Coleman reprinted 1989 by Heritage Books. Richard

Just ask!! Richard

I descend from Joseph Stebbins captive of OldDeerfield. have beaucoup on this family. Entire family captured and brought to Canada. All survived due to sister Abigail having married a Frenchman in Deerfield. Caughnawaga was where one of his sisters wwas taken and adopted by indian family. Richard/CA

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could this be Caughnawaga an Indian village near Montreal and dropping off point for captives from New England. I have lots of info on them. Richard/CA

Transcribed From Appendix (pgs 168-175) of the Book: HISTORY OF SIMSBURY, GRANBY, AND CANTON FROM 1642 TO 1645 By: Noah A. Phelps Hartford PRESS OF CASE, TIFFINY AND BURNHAM, 1845 Pearl Street, corner of Trumbull ___________ REGISTER of Marriages, Births, and Deaths, in the families of the first settlers of Simsbury. This Register is compiled chiefly from an old manuscript book, in the possession of JAMES LOOMIS, sq. of Windsor, "made out May 18, 1674," from an older book stated to be full; to which additions were made during a few years, after 1674. These books unquestionably contain the records kept of these events, by several clergymen who officiated at Windsor, during their occurrence. The one, from which these extracts are made, is in a mutilated condition, and in many places illegible. It does not of course contain the births of children born before their parents removed to Windsor, nor generally, after they settled in Simsbury. In compiling this Register, a considerable amount of matter, in addition to the above, has been derived from the state records, and from the town records of Windsor and Simsbury. It is not claimed that this account is perfect, or that it can be made so. But the design has been to include in it all that has been discovered relating to the subject as connected with the early inhabitants of Simsbury. Where names or dates are missing, they were so in the originals from which copies were made. ________________________________________________________ PART 4 BEGINS. The book itself is not divided into parts. I'm separating the material into six parts for posting purposes. DEACON JOHN MOORE'S children both in Windsor. Mindwell, born July 10, 1643 John, born Dec. 5, 1645 Deacon Moore died Sept. 18, 1677 John Moore, married Hannah Goffe, Sept. 21, 1664 John, born June 26, 1665 Edward, born March 2, 1674 Thomas, born July 25, 1667 Josias and Joseph, born July 5, Samuel, born Sept. 16, 1670 1679 Nathaniel, born Sept. 20, 1672 Andrew Moore, married Sarah Phelps Sarah, born Dec. 1672 Deborah, born May 31, 1677 Andrew, born Feb. 15, 1675 Jonathan, born Feb. 6, 1680 SAMUEL MARSHALL, married Mary Willson, May 6, 1652 Samuel, born May 27, 1653 Thomas, born Feb. 18, 1663 Lydia, born Feb. 18, 1655 Mary, born May 8, 1667 Thomas, born April 23, 1659 Eliakim, born July 10, 1669 --dead John, born April 10, 1672 Daniel, born July 24, 1661 Elizabeth. born Sept. 27, 1674 ANTHONY HOSKINS, married Isabel Brown, July 16, 1656 Isabel, born May 16, 1657 Robert, born June 16, 1662 John, born Oct. 14, 1659 Anthony, born March 19, 1664 Rebecca, born Dec. 3, 1668--dead Thomas, born March 14, 1672 Grace, born July 26, 1666 Joseph, born Feb. 28, 1674 Jane, born April 30, 1671 THOMAS HOSKINS, married Elizabeth Birge, widow, April 20, __(year obliterated) John, born May 29, 1654 Thomas Hoskins, died April 13, 1666 The Widow Hoskins died Dec. 22, 1675 John Hoskins, married Deborah Denslow, January 27, 1677 His daughter Deborah, born June 9, 1679 JOHN HILLYER's family. John, born June 3, 1637 Simon, born Dec. 25, 1648---His Mary, born Dec. 25, 1639 son James, born January 28, Timothy, born June 3, 1642 1678 James, born Aug, 27, 1644--- Nathaniel, bornJan 1., 1650 married the widow of Ebenezer Sarah. born Aug. 25, 1652 Dibble, June 28, 1677 Abigail, born Aug. 21, 1654 Andrew, born Nov. 4, 1646 John Hillyer Sen. died July 16, 1655 Elizabeth, daughter of John Hillyer, born Dec. 8, 1680 Ann, daughter of John Hillyer, born May 8, 1677--dead JOHN PETTIBONE, married Sarah Eggleston, Feb. 16, 1664 John, born June 15, 1665 Stephen, born Oct. 3, 1669 Sarah, born Sept. 24, 1667 STEPHEN TERRY, married in Dorchester. Mary, born here, Dec. 31, 1635 Elizabeth, born Jan. 4, 1641 John, born March 6, 1637 Abigail, born Sept. 21, 1646 John Terry, married Elizabeth Wadsworth, Nov. 27, 1662 Elizabeth, born Dec. 16, 1664 Rebecca, born Jan. 7, 1671-- Stephen, born Oct. 6, 1666 dead. Sarah, born Nov. 16, 1668 Mary, born July 19, 1673 John, born March 22--dead Solomon, born March 29, 1675 Rebecca, born Feb. 27, 1676--dead JOHN HIGLEY, married Hannah Drake, Nov. 9, 1671 Jonathan, born Feb. 16, 1675 John, born March 16, 1673 Hannah, born March 13, 1677 Rebecca, born Aug. 7, 1679 Hannah was married to Joseph Trumbull, Aug. 31, 1704, and was the mother of the first Governor Trumbull. END OF PART 4 Transcribed By Marilyn CT

The Godfrey Library in CT has the Boston Transcripts on microfilm. Maybe someone there could answer your question. E-mail them at godfrey@connix.com Marilyn CT A M Coke wrote: > > Dear CRV-ers, > > Having just returned from a 3 month research trip, I'm just now catching > up on reading the archives. Regretfully, I missed the discussion about > the "Boston Transcript". > > I wonder if any of you helpful, knowledgeable researchers would happen > to know if there is anywhere in existence an archive/index of the TRUE > names of the "Transcript" correspondents? It seems to me that as useful > as the "Transcript" queries and replies are - how much more useful the > identity of the correspondents would be. >

Hi Sherrie, Definitely connected to Rowland, maybe connected to Edward. Not sure can prove his connection with the rest of the family. Howard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:48:59 EDT "Sherrie Patterson" <judpatterson@hotmail.com> writes: > Howard, Hello, I was wondering if your family line is connected to > either > Rowland or Edward Stebbins? Sherrie > > From: Howard A Stebbins <stebbhs@juno.com> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in > Ct-River Valley or other mailing list > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > Howard (CT) PLAIN Text only. NO ATTACHMENTS. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Ditto on this. The info on correspondents MUST be somewhere. Special to Aileen-Marie Coke: The word CANAWACTA is very close to a regional name in the Norwich, NY area, "CANASAWACTA". Probably no help, but one should never leave a Tern Unstoned. Bruce Lloyd, Dryden, NY On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:50:55 -0600 A M Coke <amcoke@nmia.com> writes: > Dear CRV-ers, > > Having just returned from a 3 month research trip, I'm just now > catching > up on reading the archives. Regretfully, I missed the discussion > about > the "Boston Transcript". > > I wonder if any of you helpful, knowledgeable researchers would > happen > to know if there is anywhere in existence an archive/index of the > TRUE > names of the "Transcript" correspondents? It seems to me that as > useful > as the "Transcript" queries and replies are - how much more useful > the > identity of the correspondents would be. > > If anyone out there happens to know the identity of "CANAWACTA", I'd > love to hear from you, as Mr/MS/Mrs CANAWACTA has/had more > information > about my famiies than ANY other sources I've ever found. > > Alleen-Marie Coke > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > List your sources when giving information > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thanks Jean and the others who answered my request Jean Robin Forrest rforrest@robforrest.com NEW SITE URL for Robin's Genealogy Page is http://www.robforrest.com <a href="http://www.robforrest.com">New Page URL</a> Join AllAdvantage.com and get paid to surf the Web! Please use my ID (LAH471) when asked if someone referred you. Thanks! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=LAH471 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Church" <steeples@home.com> To: "Rob Forrest" <rforrest@robforrest.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Simsbury > Well there are 5 titles under what you are looking for. If you haven't got > them let me know and I will grab them for you. Just remind me what you are > looking for? The posts from Cyndi?? > > > > > At 05:36 PM 8/8/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Jim every time I try I get an internal server error server misconfigured that > >is why I asked the list > >Robin Forrest > >rforrest@robforrest.com > >NEW SITE URL for Robin's Genealogy Page is http://www.robforrest.com > > <a href="http://www.robforrest.com">New Page URL</a> > >Join AllAdvantage.com and get paid to surf the Web! Please use my ID (LAH471) > >when asked if someone referred you. Thanks! > >http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=LAH471 > >

Orin, That would be wonderful.. I would really appreciate anything that you find on the "Bartlett" surname.. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thank you so very much.. Sherrie >From: Orkinkathy@aol.com >Reply-To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com >To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CRV] VERMONT >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:24:59 EDT > >Sherrie >In "The Book Of The Wilders" Lucy Wilder married Clark Marshall and >possibly >had a daughter named Electra Marshall born 1820-1825 in Vermont. She >married >Alfred Bartlett on Feb. 7, 1847 at Waterbury Vt.. In this book there are >three Barlets and Thirty nine Bartletts. If you are intrested I will do >more >look ups for you. > Orin Wilder > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gene.Library) >listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com