Some of Grafton VT , Windham County immigration came from Paxton MA. There was one Richardson listed as Benjamin Richardson who mar. Patience EArle I presume in Paxton- was born Nov 24 1703. Don't know if they went to VT. Perhaps they were relatives of your Richardson? May be worth a shot. this is from the book The History of Paxton. That was the only Richardson I could find. anne wellman ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Where do I find records 1796/7 : Vt? NH? Conn ??? > Thanks for the info, maybe I'm looking in the wrong states, although I > understand NY. records are hard to come by. Thanks > Becky > > NewEnglander1621 wrote: > > > This is a brief "history" of Vt that may help ....... > > > > One needs to know the history of the boundary changes in Vt and NH > > as well as Mass and Conn to know where to look for records > > > > Vermont was under the jurisdiction of NY for a while and NH as well until > > Vt became independent state in 1791. which means depending on the date of > > occurrence, the record could be in NY, NH, or Vt. > > > > 1760-1780: there were 2 Connecticut migrations- > > --eastern Vermont was populated by conservative, law-abiding, colonist and > > Congregationalist from eastern Conn [Windham Co.,Conn had a big migration to > > Vt] > > --western Vt were from the western Conn families who were less conservative, > > sectarian, and religious doubters, Baptist, Church of England, radical in > > religion and government. > > ---BOTH groups came for new cheap land > > --smaller migrations from western and central Massachusetts and Connecticut > > BORDER towns, also Rhode Is., New Hamp,.and NY[Dutchess > > County]---all these areas were adjoining [state of]Connecticut. > > ---hence the term "new Connecticut".......but VT was never part of > > Connecticut. > > ---settlements started in the south and moved north, generally in the winter > > when the "roads" were smoother and ice made river travel easier > > --1773....Scots arrived in Ryegate and Barnet > > --1770-80: tories were ousted, many fled to Canada with some NY and Nova > > Scotia. In advance of the British army and guerrilla expeditions on Lake > > Champlain and up the Connecticut River, many patriots panicked and moved > > back south > > ----------------------------- > > 1783-1803 > > ----migrations "exploded".....settlers from Connecticut still was the major > > source of population growth following by Mass., NH. RI, and eastern NY. > > ------------------------------- > > 1800-1808 > > ---town life begins to blossom and then fade > > ---every town had at least one distillery and it's rival, organized religion > > ---a lot of enthusiasm for organized religion: > > 7 Methodist circuits > > State wide Universalistic association > > 20 free will Baptist churches > > bickering among churches as within churches > > ----12 circulating libraries and 14 weekly papers.......[3 inWindsor alone] > > --------------------------------------------- > > People began leaving despite no outstanding depression, disease or > > controversy..........it was migration of surplus youth.......3/4 of the Vt > > population was under 30....... > > > > -----land in Canada was good, cheap and easy to reach > > ----northern NY became attractive for farming where winter travel by sled > > made the Vermonters first settlers in all northern NY counties ! > > ---Genessee fever...started in 1795 in central and western NY with > > advertised > > lands in the Military Tract, Phelps and Gorham Purchase, Holland Purchase. > > It was a chance to join relatives from Mass and Conn after probably being > > separated a generation or two. It's estimated that 500 sleds passed Albany > > on one winter day in 1795 and 15-20 boats up the Mohawk River on a summer > > day. > > ----hundreds moved down the Susquehanna Valley to the Delaware Gap area and > > northeastern Pennsylvania > > ----by 1800....the Western Reserve, southern Ohio, and the Gulf states. > > northern NY > > ------------------------------------------------- > > 1820-1830...increased Emigration.......... > > ----as always.....land > > --Lake Champlain Canal completed in 1822 became a water route to the Hudson > > River > > ---Erie Canal in NY......routes east and west > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1830-1840 > > after 1836 emigration became a public issue........as a response VT became > > committed to a single crop---sheep.....more than the south was committed > > to cotton > > ----1,500,000 sheep kept grazing and ate back the forest > > ---most of the emigrants during this time were poor farmers whose land had > > given out, as well as educated youth, craftspeople, etc. > > ----wagon trails followed the old water routes [and canals] > > ----5 popular states of choice at this time : NY, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, > > and Wisconsin, with some choosing eastern seaboard cities and some went to > > deep south. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > 1850-1860 > > Railroads........... > > --------------------------------- > > Hope this will help some of you folks who are doing searches in the New > > England area, especially in the Conn River Valley area of VT,Mass,NH, and > > Conn. > > --------------------------------------- > > >From my own experience , the folks who migrated from Windham County in Conn > > settled Windham Co in Vt > > > > Many of the towns in Vt have the same names as towns in Mass and Conn > > > > Many of Worcester county area folks migrated to "western" part of NH.....in > > the towns of Cheshire and Sullivan counties........as well as Windsor ,VT > > ----------------- > > If you are searching in the areas I listed above.....there is a book called > > " Collecting Vermont Ancestors" by Alice Eichholz,Ph.d, C.G. ; printed > > by New Trails! in Monteplier,Vt 1993...........excellent book > > > > Cynthia > > listowner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> > > > I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he > > > was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> > > > > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my > > > gggrandfather is > > > > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. > > > Everything > > > > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say > > > VT. I > > > > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since > > he > > > served > > > > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not > > > sure. His > > > > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about > > > him. > > > > Any suggestions on where to look? > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > > > > > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his > > > birthplace> > > > > > > > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared > > > their > > > > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In > > > July, > > > > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To > > > my > > > > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > List your sources when giving information > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) > > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] > > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

Subject: Hill ancestors/descendants of Strafford County, NH and (?) VT. Would like to have info on Hill families living in Strafford, NH, Wakefield/Sanbornville areas ranging from middle 1700's (or before) through 1900's. Am trying to locate my Hill line of Ebenezer born 1758 in Wakefield or surrounding areas. Possibly linked with the John Hill of Dover which I am trying to locate info also on his sons of Joseph, John, Benjamin and Samuel-(which I have names of Samuel's 9 children). This is all the information I have on the John Hill of Dover family and would like suggestions/assistance on tracing these children forward into the present Hill ancestry. Also, I know that Leila Hill b. Wentworth, NH (daughter of Charles Cyrus and Sabrina A. (Gove) Hill) married Bert Morrill Weeks and she is direct descendant of John Hill of Dover. Thanks for reading and hope I have not been confusing in my request. GAH

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: [CRV] Grandfather in War of 1812 > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. Yup. It was formed from MA and NY. The ancestor in question could well have been born in CT and moved to VT -- there was a lot of movement up and down our famed in story and song CT River Valley. Yrs aye, Warren Wetmore

Thanks for the info, maybe I'm looking in the wrong states, although I understand NY. records are hard to come by. Thanks Becky NewEnglander1621 wrote: > This is a brief "history" of Vt that may help ....... > > One needs to know the history of the boundary changes in Vt and NH > as well as Mass and Conn to know where to look for records > > Vermont was under the jurisdiction of NY for a while and NH as well until > Vt became independent state in 1791. which means depending on the date of > occurrence, the record could be in NY, NH, or Vt. > > 1760-1780: there were 2 Connecticut migrations- > --eastern Vermont was populated by conservative, law-abiding, colonist and > Congregationalist from eastern Conn [Windham Co.,Conn had a big migration to > Vt] > --western Vt were from the western Conn families who were less conservative, > sectarian, and religious doubters, Baptist, Church of England, radical in > religion and government. > ---BOTH groups came for new cheap land > --smaller migrations from western and central Massachusetts and Connecticut > BORDER towns, also Rhode Is., New Hamp,.and NY[Dutchess > County]---all these areas were adjoining [state of]Connecticut. > ---hence the term "new Connecticut".......but VT was never part of > Connecticut. > ---settlements started in the south and moved north, generally in the winter > when the "roads" were smoother and ice made river travel easier > --1773....Scots arrived in Ryegate and Barnet > --1770-80: tories were ousted, many fled to Canada with some NY and Nova > Scotia. In advance of the British army and guerrilla expeditions on Lake > Champlain and up the Connecticut River, many patriots panicked and moved > back south > ----------------------------- > 1783-1803 > ----migrations "exploded".....settlers from Connecticut still was the major > source of population growth following by Mass., NH. RI, and eastern NY. > ------------------------------- > 1800-1808 > ---town life begins to blossom and then fade > ---every town had at least one distillery and it's rival, organized religion > ---a lot of enthusiasm for organized religion: > 7 Methodist circuits > State wide Universalistic association > 20 free will Baptist churches > bickering among churches as within churches > ----12 circulating libraries and 14 weekly papers.......[3 inWindsor alone] > --------------------------------------------- > People began leaving despite no outstanding depression, disease or > controversy..........it was migration of surplus youth.......3/4 of the Vt > population was under 30....... > > -----land in Canada was good, cheap and easy to reach > ----northern NY became attractive for farming where winter travel by sled > made the Vermonters first settlers in all northern NY counties ! > ---Genessee fever...started in 1795 in central and western NY with > advertised > lands in the Military Tract, Phelps and Gorham Purchase, Holland Purchase. > It was a chance to join relatives from Mass and Conn after probably being > separated a generation or two. It's estimated that 500 sleds passed Albany > on one winter day in 1795 and 15-20 boats up the Mohawk River on a summer > day. > ----hundreds moved down the Susquehanna Valley to the Delaware Gap area and > northeastern Pennsylvania > ----by 1800....the Western Reserve, southern Ohio, and the Gulf states. > northern NY > ------------------------------------------------- > 1820-1830...increased Emigration.......... > ----as always.....land > --Lake Champlain Canal completed in 1822 became a water route to the Hudson > River > ---Erie Canal in NY......routes east and west > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1830-1840 > after 1836 emigration became a public issue........as a response VT became > committed to a single crop---sheep.....more than the south was committed > to cotton > ----1,500,000 sheep kept grazing and ate back the forest > ---most of the emigrants during this time were poor farmers whose land had > given out, as well as educated youth, craftspeople, etc. > ----wagon trails followed the old water routes [and canals] > ----5 popular states of choice at this time : NY, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, > and Wisconsin, with some choosing eastern seaboard cities and some went to > deep south. > -------------------------------------------------------- > 1850-1860 > Railroads........... > --------------------------------- > Hope this will help some of you folks who are doing searches in the New > England area, especially in the Conn River Valley area of VT,Mass,NH, and > Conn. > --------------------------------------- > >From my own experience , the folks who migrated from Windham County in Conn > settled Windham Co in Vt > > Many of the towns in Vt have the same names as towns in Mass and Conn > > Many of Worcester county area folks migrated to "western" part of NH.....in > the towns of Cheshire and Sullivan counties........as well as Windsor ,VT > ----------------- > If you are searching in the areas I listed above.....there is a book called > " Collecting Vermont Ancestors" by Alice Eichholz,Ph.d, C.G. ; printed > by New Trails! in Monteplier,Vt 1993...........excellent book > > Cynthia > listowner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> > > I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he > > was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> > > > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my > > gggrandfather is > > > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. > > Everything > > > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say > > VT. I > > > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since > he > > served > > > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not > > sure. His > > > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about > > him. > > > Any suggestions on where to look? > > > Becky > > > > > > > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > > > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his > > birthplace> > > > > > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared > > their > > > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In > > July, > > > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To > > my > > > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > List your sources when giving information > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

This is a brief "history" of Vt that may help ....... One needs to know the history of the boundary changes in Vt and NH as well as Mass and Conn to know where to look for records Vermont was under the jurisdiction of NY for a while and NH as well until Vt became independent state in 1791. which means depending on the date of occurrence, the record could be in NY, NH, or Vt. 1760-1780: there were 2 Connecticut migrations- --eastern Vermont was populated by conservative, law-abiding, colonist and Congregationalist from eastern Conn [Windham Co.,Conn had a big migration to Vt] --western Vt were from the western Conn families who were less conservative, sectarian, and religious doubters, Baptist, Church of England, radical in religion and government. ---BOTH groups came for new cheap land --smaller migrations from western and central Massachusetts and Connecticut BORDER towns, also Rhode Is., New Hamp,.and NY[Dutchess County]---all these areas were adjoining [state of]Connecticut. ---hence the term "new Connecticut".......but VT was never part of Connecticut. ---settlements started in the south and moved north, generally in the winter when the "roads" were smoother and ice made river travel easier --1773....Scots arrived in Ryegate and Barnet --1770-80: tories were ousted, many fled to Canada with some NY and Nova Scotia. In advance of the British army and guerrilla expeditions on Lake Champlain and up the Connecticut River, many patriots panicked and moved back south ----------------------------- 1783-1803 ----migrations "exploded".....settlers from Connecticut still was the major source of population growth following by Mass., NH. RI, and eastern NY. ------------------------------- 1800-1808 ---town life begins to blossom and then fade ---every town had at least one distillery and it's rival, organized religion ---a lot of enthusiasm for organized religion: 7 Methodist circuits State wide Universalistic association 20 free will Baptist churches bickering among churches as within churches ----12 circulating libraries and 14 weekly papers.......[3 inWindsor alone] --------------------------------------------- People began leaving despite no outstanding depression, disease or controversy..........it was migration of surplus youth.......3/4 of the Vt population was under 30....... -----land in Canada was good, cheap and easy to reach ----northern NY became attractive for farming where winter travel by sled made the Vermonters first settlers in all northern NY counties ! ---Genessee fever...started in 1795 in central and western NY with advertised lands in the Military Tract, Phelps and Gorham Purchase, Holland Purchase. It was a chance to join relatives from Mass and Conn after probably being separated a generation or two. It's estimated that 500 sleds passed Albany on one winter day in 1795 and 15-20 boats up the Mohawk River on a summer day. ----hundreds moved down the Susquehanna Valley to the Delaware Gap area and northeastern Pennsylvania ----by 1800....the Western Reserve, southern Ohio, and the Gulf states. northern NY ------------------------------------------------- 1820-1830...increased Emigration.......... ----as always.....land --Lake Champlain Canal completed in 1822 became a water route to the Hudson River ---Erie Canal in NY......routes east and west -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1830-1840 after 1836 emigration became a public issue........as a response VT became committed to a single crop---sheep.....more than the south was committed to cotton ----1,500,000 sheep kept grazing and ate back the forest ---most of the emigrants during this time were poor farmers whose land had given out, as well as educated youth, craftspeople, etc. ----wagon trails followed the old water routes [and canals] ----5 popular states of choice at this time : NY, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin, with some choosing eastern seaboard cities and some went to deep south. -------------------------------------------------------- 1850-1860 Railroads........... --------------------------------- Hope this will help some of you folks who are doing searches in the New England area, especially in the Conn River Valley area of VT,Mass,NH, and Conn. --------------------------------------- >From my own experience , the folks who migrated from Windham County in Conn settled Windham Co in Vt Many of the towns in Vt have the same names as towns in Mass and Conn Many of Worcester county area folks migrated to "western" part of NH.....in the towns of Cheshire and Sullivan counties........as well as Windsor ,VT ----------------- If you are searching in the areas I listed above.....there is a book called " Collecting Vermont Ancestors" by Alice Eichholz,Ph.d, C.G. ; printed by New Trails! in Monteplier,Vt 1993...........excellent book Cynthia listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> > I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he > was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> > > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my > gggrandfather is > > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. > Everything > > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say > VT. I > > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he > served > > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not > sure. His > > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about > him. > > Any suggestions on where to look? > > Becky > > > > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his > birthplace> > > > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared > their > > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In > July, > > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To > my > > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT.

Becky, Perhaps members of this list could give you some actual help if you told us more about Joel Richardson. Where did he enlist for the War of 1812? Do you know what unit he was in and where he served? Who did her marry and where? Who are some of his children: where and when were they born? Where was he living for the 1850 census? If you go one more generation, and give some information about his children's families you increase your chances. Many of his grandchildren probably lived into the 1900's. Someone may recognize him from his military service. It is not unusual to find people who were born in Ct in the 1790's that grew up in Vermont. In some families, the older children were born in CT and the younger in VT. It's very hard to find information on a single individual without some definite information. In New England, vital records were kept by the individual towns. After you place Joel in a family, maybe someone will recognize him as being part of their family. Good luck and happy hunting, Marilyn CT Sharing creates connections. Connections grow family trees. Becky McIntire wrote: > > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my gggrandfather is > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. Everything > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say VT. I > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he served > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not sure. His > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about him. > Any suggestions on where to look? > Becky > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > The Connecticut River Valley List covers the history and genealogy of the Connecticut River Valley. > http://searches.rootweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl put Ct-River-Valley in the box > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogy library for Conn River area) > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

The boundary of Conn and Mass as we know it today was drawn around 1759.-+ Many of the northern Conn towns once were in Mass. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lwsylvstr@aol.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War 1812 > >> > Hi! Anne, > > I didn't know that. Is there a website that shows the New England states > boundaries over time? I've only been on this email list about a month and > have learned so much. Thanks for your time. > > Lynn > Georgia, USA > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > Any misbehaving on this list will be warned --ONCE--no second chances.. > THIS WARNING ONLY APPEARS ONCE > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Vermont had land grants existing in CT, NH, NY and MA..this is one of the reasons its so difficult to trace people. The book on the history of Guilford explains quite a bit about the problems with the VT sufferers, who they were ( I have a list of people and amts of property granted them in NY when the entire issue finally shook out). You also may want to check with Westminster VT as it and Guilford were the hotbeds of the land issues. Cynthia Dickinson

There seems to be a some interest in the Blakeslee line and I am also a Blakeslee. Caroline Blakeslee, dau Gervase Blakeslee, b about 1807 is my gr gr gr grandmother. I'm in contact with several other people from the line who have done a lot research on the Samuel Blakeslee line...there are a quite a few unanswered questions, about Samuel Samuel, himself and the correctness of lineages found today. One of the best resources I found was in CT Families which was edited by Gary Boyd Roberts of NEHGS. One of the researchers I am contact with has spoken several times to Gary, which shed some light on the line. You may want to write him at NEHGS. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Cynthia Dickinson

In a message dated 09/03/2000 2:24:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annewellman@mindspring.com writes: << VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace. >> Hi! Anne, I didn't know that. Is there a website that shows the New England states boundaries over time? I've only been on this email list about a month and have learned so much. Thanks for your time. Lynn Georgia, USA

For what this is worth, there are Hungerfords in or near Goshen, CT. Including a Hungerford Circus. That is all I know. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn O'Leary" <olear15@attglobal.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: [CRV] ROCKWELL, HUNGERFORD in Lanesboro, MA; Cornwall, VT > John Rockwell b. 1734, Ridgefield, CT m. Hannah SCOTT and Sally RICE. > Have seen her listed as Sally RICE HUNGERFORD and as Sally HUNGERFORD > RICE. He was in Lanesborough, MA 1766 and later moved to Cornwall, VT to > > be with his son, John. A brother Jeremiah remained in Lanesborough. > > John Rockwell, Jr b. 1755, Ridgefield CT to John and Hannah (SCOTT) > Rockwell. In 1766 he moved with his father to Lanesborough, MA. John Jr. > > m. Rebecca IVES and moved to Rutland, VT. > > I am searching for info on the siblings of John b. 1734. My line is > Thomas HUNGERFORD b. 1747, East Haddam, CT, d. 1810 Lanesborough. He m. > Rachel Rockwell and their children were b. in Lanesborough. Thomas' > brother Elijah m. Sarah Rockwell. I'd like to determine if Sarah and > Rachel Rockwell are siblings of John b. 1734. > > Also, any info on Sally Rice Hungerford would be appreciated. > > Thanks for any suggestions - > Marilyn in MI > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > The Connecticut River Valley List covers the history and genealogy of the Connecticut River Valley. > http://searches.rootweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl put Ct-River-Valley in the box > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogy library for Conn River area) > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

John Rockwell b. 1734, Ridgefield, CT m. Hannah SCOTT and Sally RICE. Have seen her listed as Sally RICE HUNGERFORD and as Sally HUNGERFORD RICE. He was in Lanesborough, MA 1766 and later moved to Cornwall, VT to be with his son, John. A brother Jeremiah remained in Lanesborough. John Rockwell, Jr b. 1755, Ridgefield CT to John and Hannah (SCOTT) Rockwell. In 1766 he moved with his father to Lanesborough, MA. John Jr. m. Rebecca IVES and moved to Rutland, VT. I am searching for info on the siblings of John b. 1734. My line is Thomas HUNGERFORD b. 1747, East Haddam, CT, d. 1810 Lanesborough. He m. Rachel Rockwell and their children were b. in Lanesborough. Thomas' brother Elijah m. Sarah Rockwell. I'd like to determine if Sarah and Rachel Rockwell are siblings of John b. 1734. Also, any info on Sally Rice Hungerford would be appreciated. Thanks for any suggestions - Marilyn in MI

I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my gggrandfather is his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. Everything else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say VT. I have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he served as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not sure. His birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about him. Any suggestions on where to look? Becky Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

sorry, this was meant for the Vermont list where there has been a long-running discussion regarding town clerks and their response times, etc. to queries relating to "missing links" in their family trees! ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Vanderbrouk <rpckvv@swbell.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 7:11 PM Subject: Town Clerks > This has been an interesting and lengthy discussion. We need to remember > that these folks have current responsibilities. Assisting "flat-landers" in > digging for that lost ancestor may not be at the top of their list! >

This has been an interesting and lengthy discussion. We need to remember that these folks have current responsibilities. Assisting "flat-landers" in digging for that lost ancestor may not be at the top of their list!

Becky, I've had similar problems with some of my lines. If you can't find him in Vermont (not surprising, as I recently found my gg-grandmother, who I could NEVER find in the Vital Records of Vermont, through digging, calling distant relatives, etc. and then finding someone who had her parent's Family Bible!!), I recommend that you go to CT. You may have hit a dead-end. This would be quite typical of family members who moved around from one generation to another. I have an ancestor, who from all census info.said he was born in VT. Guess what? He was b. in NH!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War of 1812 > I don't know if you are addressing me, but my problem with my gggrandfather is > his enlistment papers for the War of 1812 says his birthplace was CT. Everything > else including the census from 1850, marriage application, etc. all say VT. I > have looked both places and still haven't found Joel Richardson. Since he served > as a soldier from VT. I assume that's where he was born, but I am not sure. His > birth year would be 1796 or 1797. I am really not sure of anything about him. > Any suggestions on where to look? > Becky > > > Peter Vanderbrouk wrote: > > > <VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> > > > > are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their > > territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, > > 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my > > knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT. > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > The Connecticut River Valley List covers the history and genealogy of the Connecticut River Valley. > http://searches.rootweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl put Ct-River-Valley in the box > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogy library for Conn River area) > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

What happened to part of MA, in-between?? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne E. Wellman <annewellman@mindspring.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War 1812 > VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace.

http://www.uvm.edu/state//vthist.html >>>In 1763, England was granted the area via the Treaty of Paris, which ended the French and Indian war. Locally, the land was at various times claimed by both New Hampshire and New York; however, Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys put an end to that, and by 1777 Vermont had achieved independence. In fact, Vermont remained an independent republic until 1791, at which point it joined the United States as that fledgling nation's fourteenth member. >>>> Click on to read more. Harriet Chase hatchase@home.com

<VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace> are you certain of this? On Jan. 15, 1777, Vermont settlers declared their territory an independent republic, naming it "New Connecticut". In July, 1777, Vermont adopted its first constitution and its present name. To my knowledge, Vermont was never part of CT.

VT was once part of CT which may explain the discrepancy in his birthplace. ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky McIntire <beckymac@neo.rr.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War 1812 > Hi Bonnie > I tried that site it doesn't help me. I have his 1812 enlistment papers and pension papers. Right now I am trying to find out > where he was born and who his parents were. He seems to have appeared in 1812, his birth would have been in 1797, then there > is no record of him until after the war when he gets married in VA. My problem is that everything says he was born in VT. > census, marriage application etc. but his enlistment papers say CT. So I am not even sure about the state. > Becky > > bweber wrote: > > > Becky > > Have you tried the Olive tree > > www.rootsweb.com/~ote/1812.htm > > Bonnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shirley Hulett <marcompro@juno.com> > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [CRV] Grandfather in War 1812 > > > > > > > > Hi Bonnie...I'd appreciate a lookup. > > > some family records indicate that my > > > 4 gr grandfather ,, Gad Blakeslee, served in the War of 1812 for a > > > very brief period. (2 weeks) > > > At the time of service he would have been listed > > > as a resident of Plymouth/Thomaston Conn. > > > (Same town, but changed it's name) or > > > perhaps nearby Waterbury, Conn. > > > Name: Gad Blakeslee > > > In advance, thanks > > > Shirley in San Diego > > > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:59:16 -0400 "bweber" <bweber@attcanada.ca> writes: > > > > Hi Becky > > > > Maybe one of us could help you if you gave a name for this person. > > > > Several people on the list have various resources, but of course we > > > > can't > > > > help if we don't know who you are looking for. > > > > This is not a reprimand, I like to help when ever I can. > > > > Bonnie > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley > > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) > > > listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >