get a life!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mimi Taylor" <myke20@netzero.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers > It is totally unnecessary to make comments of this nature > in reference to any group - religious or otherwise ... > > Maybe you are not aware that when one searches the Rootsweb archives - > using > the word Quaker, this msg will be there - already *spread all over the > internet*. > > Since he felt it was worthy of all list members to see this and who > knows how many other lists that was sent to, I feel, in all fairness, > the Quakers > as mentioned here should have a chance to respond. > > I do not agree that this was made in jest and I am sure not many > who have Quaker ancestry would sit there and smile...... > > but I do agree with this- > > >> . My point being -- even if not in jest, this is our list and we > should be able to feel we can talk with each other and not have it > spread > all over the internet. - << > > It should be just that - *with each other* and not thru the list when > you > hold derogatory opinions such as this. > > Mimi Taylor > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) > listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

How right you are Abby!! Becky ALums48454@aol.com wrote: > C'mon you people. This is absurd. Somewhat akin to the battle that took > place in 1690 at the house of Samuel Collins between the English Quaker John > Richardson and the townspeople led by their minister with stick in hand. So > much for progress! > Abby > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/search

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FYI, folks, we had a situation really get out of hand on the MORRIS-L sometime back and it cost us a lot of members at the time. It was not like the Quaker thing, but it started out with somebody suggesting a Morris Reunion...Hey, the frequency of occurence of the surname "Morris" is 58, so its like saying Smith or Jones, the opposite end of the frequency of occurence being sparsely populated. Next it got into where is the geographic center of Morris, or something like that. We are just now getting back together! Hank Morris

C'mon you people. This is absurd. Somewhat akin to the battle that took place in 1690 at the house of Samuel Collins between the English Quaker John Richardson and the townspeople led by their minister with stick in hand. So much for progress! Abby

Hi, Who are your Beechers? I have a Beecher line, which was a tradition in the family but really hard to trace. In the process I ran across a lot of them. Descent is via Rachel B., 11th child of Moses (1732-1800). Regards, Arlys LaFehr

It is totally unnecessary to make comments of this nature in reference to any group - religious or otherwise ... Maybe you are not aware that when one searches the Rootsweb archives - using the word Quaker, this msg will be there - already *spread all over the internet*. Since he felt it was worthy of all list members to see this and who knows how many other lists that was sent to, I feel, in all fairness, the Quakers as mentioned here should have a chance to respond. I do not agree that this was made in jest and I am sure not many who have Quaker ancestry would sit there and smile...... but I do agree with this- >> . My point being -- even if not in jest, this is our list and we should be able to feel we can talk with each other and not have it spread all over the internet. - << It should be just that - *with each other* and not thru the list when you hold derogatory opinions such as this. Mimi Taylor _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

I don't know why I feel a need to respond to this but here goes......... WHY forward any of our messages to another list WITHOUT the writer's permission? I took Ken Roberts' comment as one made in jest and simply smiled. My point being -- even if not in jest, this is our list and we should be able to feel we can talk with each other and not have it spread all over the internet. Carol Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mimi Taylor" <myke20@netzero.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers > Have forwarded your comments to the Quaker-L > as you seem to be an authority on the Quakers with this > comment - to the lists: > > >> See!? What'd I tell you? Just a bunch of troublemakin' heretics! > Deserved > whatever they got, I say. > Ken Roberts << > > M. Taylor > > > > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ > Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > ___________________________________________________________ > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > List your sources when giving information > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp

Have forwarded your comments to the Quaker-L as you seem to be an authority on the Quakers with this comment - to the lists: >> See!? What'd I tell you? Just a bunch of troublemakin' heretics! Deserved whatever they got, I say. Ken Roberts << M. Taylor _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Have forwarded your comments to the Quaker-L as you seem to be an authority on the Quakers with this comment - to the lists: >> See!? What'd I tell you? Just a bunch of troublemakin' heretics! Deserved whatever they got, I say. Ken Roberts << M. Taylor ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________

I just tried it again, and it worked. You have to copy very carefully first http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 and then /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 to your browser window, with NO spaces, so that the two form a single long URL. Yrs aye, Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sailor817@aol.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Re: [CTHARTFO] 1500 Kidnapped children > In a message dated 10/29/2000 10:42:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, > WebMerlin@Megsinet.net writes: > > > Apparently it's true. They became indentured servants. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 > > /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 > > > > (you may have to copy that long URL in pieces to your > > browser's address window). > > > Warren, I tried but Amazon says that 1555533647 doesn't exist in their > catalogue. > Ken Roberts > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River Valley or other mailing list > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

By Laura Chase Smith, Dutton Press, 1903 Chapter VIII continues ..... Following out his youthful convictions of the importance of missions, there is a fragment of a sermon giving a simple record, the only one extant, of the work accomplished by the two early missionaries who were appointed were appointed by the Committee of the Protestant Episcopal Church for the Propagation of the Gospel in the State of New York. The sermon reads: " A canon was passed by the convention of 1796, that the ministers of churches should preach sermons and make collections for the above purpose through out the diocese, some time during the month of September in each year. With the fruits of the collections the Rev. Robert G. Wetmore traveled in one year 2386 miles, held divine service and preached 107 times, baptized 47 adults and 365 infants, and distributed among the poor and deserving the Book of Common Prayer. Philander Chase, who succeeded the Rev. Mr. Wetmore, traveled above 4000 miles, baptized 14 adults and 319 infants, held divine services and preached 213 times, and distributed many Prayer Books and Catechisms among those remote situations and limited means precluded them from any opportunity of being otherwise supplied." This sermon (a youthful one) on the subject of missions, although a fragment preserved through many vicissitudes, --- a fire and shipwreck among them, --- is such as to awaken the drowsy conscience of many an easy going churchman in this twentieth century, a hundred and four years after. The young priest omitted to mention the fact, however, that in this year's work, besides services at many other points, he organized parishes at Thurman's Patent, near Lake George, at Hampton, near the Vermont line, at Utica <Trinity>, at Auburn, at Canadaigua, Ocwaga, Batavia, --- seven in number. Mr. Chase's family joined him in Poughkeepsie, but the salary paid by combined parishes of that town and Fishkill was not sufficient for his support and that of his family. He therefore took charge of the seminary at Poughkeepsie. The duties of so large a school and of two growing parishes became almost insupportable. To add to his cares, Mrs. Chase's rapidly failing health made it a matter of utmost need that she should seek a warmer climate. But it was not until the year 1805 that the Bishop of New York, having received from New Orleans an invitation from the Protestant residents in that city to send them a clergyman of the Episcopal Church, appointed Mr. Chase for the position. But so uncertain were the prospects financially, and so hazardous was it to undertake the removal of his invalid wife, that he decided to go first himself, and return for his family as soon as possible. Accordingly, Mr. Chase sailed from New York on the brig "Thetis" in October 1805. Driven on the land sands which surround the Riding Rocks, and by contrary currents across the Gulf Stream to the Florida shore, and thence pursing the tedious course around the Tortugas, Mr. Chase remarks that "the voyage was most unpleasant." He says that "nothing but the kind treatment of the Captain, whose civility, even temper, and uncommon good sense were acknowledged by all on board, could reconcile him to the evils of a first voyage at sea" It is a pity the Captain's name is not given. It may be that his passenger bore these evils so merrily and was such excellent company, that this prince of captain's was enable to bear with more than usual "even temper" his share in the mishaps of such a voyage in the windy month. However, the brig "Thetis" at last reached the mouth of the great river and passed up to the "English Turn" without difficulty. Here the vessels was detained, waiting for a change of wind, and to avoid delay, Mr. Chase and a friend walked ten miles up the river to the plantation of the Hon. B--- P ---, then Judge of the newly ceded city of New Orleans. They were received with the utmost kindness, and no doubt the beautiful garden, hedged with orange trees bending with golden fruit, and the well-managed plantation made a delightful change for the young men, to which the hospitable welcome of a well-bred gentleman added a vivid charm. Moreover, as he says: "Soon were the course marked out, and ways and means provided for the introduction of the first Protestant minister who had ever preached in Louisiana." This fact may seem to many persons of little moment, but in reality it was an event of great importance in the history of the Southern metropolis, for, at one time, the names of the first vestry and wardens of Christ Church, Vestry & Wardens, essentially the lay leadership in the Episcopal Church) New Orleans, were not known, the records thereof having been destroyed by fire many years before. Happily, however, Mr. Chase had preserved a copy of all the papers concerning this important event, and the small box containing them was rescued many years after from fire which destroyed his temporary home in Michigan. These memorials were afterward published in his "Reminiscences" in full as they contained information of much importance in the history of the Church in the Diocese of Louisiana, with much difficulty a copy of the book, long since out of print, was procured and sent to the librarian of the Howard Library in the city of New Orleans. As these records are too voluminous to be copied here , it must suffice to state the outlines, giving the names of the first wardens and vestrymen of Christ Church, New Orleans. It might be well to notice the fact that had the word "Protestant" been ignored in bringing about the establishment of this parish in this almost foreign city, peopled at that time with an alien population of French, Italian, and Spanish Romanists, there would scarcely have been favorable result of the effort made by the Protestant citizens to effect an organization; or had Mr. Chase shown less firmness in declining to accept the call, unless it should be made according to the canons of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America, and providing that the rector, until a diocese should be formed in the Territory of Louisiana, should be subject to the ecclesiastical government and direction of the Bishop and Convention of the Diocese of New York in all things as if he were a presbyter belonging to that diocese; scarcely would have it have been possible to prevent immediate distraction and dissolution in an organization formed as it was by men of different opinions and accustomed to different forms of worship. This required a change by act of the New Orleans Legislature, in the former charter which was given to the "Protestants" of that city. The Wardens and Vestrymen who made the definite call to Mr. Chase after the regular organization of the parish were: Joseph Saul, Andrew Burk, Wardens; George T.Ross, Richard Relf, Charles Norwood, Joseph McNeil, John Sanderson, William Kenner, Vestrymen; James Wilimason, Secretary. Apropos to this, in April 1901, a meeting of the citizens of New Orleans as held to decided upon the place and circumstances of a reception to President McKinley. Mr. Zacharie spoke of the fitness of holding the function in the Cabildo, Supreme Court building, on account of its historic interest; he said: "This ancient building has given birth to twenty-three States; it is to New Orleans what Faneuil Hall is to Boston and Independence Hall to Philadelphia"; and added that "the Cabildo is especially interesting for the reason that in it the first Protestant service was held on Sunday, November 17, 1805, and that the clergyman who conducted the service was Rev. Philander Chase, who afterward became the Bishop of Ohio." Mr. Zacharie pointed out that a member of President McKinley's Cabinet was named Philander Chase Knox, and that his son bore the same name. He said that it was highly probably that the Attorney-General was a kinsman of the same great clergyman who preached the first Protestant sermon in New Orleans, and he thought the Cabildo was especially the proper place to hold the reception. ....................... End Chapter VIII Harriet M. Chase hatchase@uswest.net

In a message dated 10/29/2000 10:42:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, WebMerlin@Megsinet.net writes: > Apparently it's true. They became indentured servants. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 > /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 > > (you may have to copy that long URL in pieces to your > browser's address window). > Warren, I tried but Amazon says that 1555533647 doesn't exist in their catalogue. Ken Roberts

the correct URL is a bit longer than the above. Try this and you will get a 22 page Chapter 1of the book, WITH LIBERTY FOR SOME: 500 YEARS OF IMPRISONMENT IN AMERICA by Scott Christianson. A very interesting sample of a book that puts to bed the matter of the kidnapped kids: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647/104-8723984-111 2706 I'm new to the CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L and my lines of interest are Benham, Fowler and Beecher on this list, plus I am on other lists includding the very busy MORRIS-L, BENHAM-L and FOWLER-L, neither of which are greatly busy. Hank Morris Ventura CA At 08:01 PM 10/31/00 -0500, Sailor817@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/29/2000 10:42:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, >WebMerlin@Megsinet.net writes: > >> Apparently it's true. They became indentured servants. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 >> /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 >> >> (you may have to copy that long URL in pieces to your >> browser's address window). >> >Warren, I tried but Amazon says that 1555533647 doesn't exist in their >catalogue. >Ken Roberts > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River Valley or other mailing list >http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > >http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Thankyou so much for all these leads. I will follow them up right away. It's much more than I had hoped for. I'll let you know what I find out. Best wishes Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "louellas" <louellas@endor.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Finney and Hatch > And you also might like to contact don Ryan who has a family with a Lucinda > who could be yours ryand@3rddoor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Bates <sbates@hughestech.net> > To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:41 PM > Subject: [CRV] Finney and Hatch > > > > > >Hi, > >I am researching Lucinda Finney, believed to have been born in > Stamford,Vermont in 1796. > > James Hatch, Born in 1786 Salem? Ma. > >They married about 1820. > >Their children, Louise, Charlotte,Jane, Harriet,James, Charles Henry and > Mary were born between 1821-1836 in North Adams,Ma. > >Readsboro, Vermont and Marlboro,Vermont. > >Except for Harriet who married and stayed in New York they all moved to > Illinois in the late 1840's > >I would be happy to hear from anyone who may know of this family or could > advise me. > >Best wishes > >Sheila Bates > >Illinois > > > > > > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > >Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org > (genealogical library for Conn River area) > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > >http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > >Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > >============================== > >Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/search > >

By Laura Chase Smith, E. P. Dutton, 1903 Chapter VIII WORK NORTH AND SOUTH (Continue the work in New York State, unless otherwise indicated) Then onward and westward Mr. Chase went to Bloomfield and Avon on the Genesee River, -- at the latter place receiving much kindness from the Hosmer family. There was then no road except an Indian trail though the Tonawanda plains, uninhabited even to the Niagara River. Therefore he returned by the way he came, visiting parishes he had formed at Canandahqua, Auburn, and Utica, and then visiting Mr. Nash at Burlington, Ostego County. The young missionary gives a graphic sketch of the self-denying life of Father Nash, who touched his youthful heart with his own spiritual strength and fervor, ..................... It was a meeting of two persons deeply convinced of the primitive and apostolic foundation of the church and ministry, to which on account of its purity of doctrine and the divine right of its ministry, we had fled from chaos and confusion of sects. We were both missionaries, though the name was not yet understood nor appreciated. He had given up all his hopes of a more comfortable living in the well-stored country at the east, and had come to Ostego county to preach the Gospel and build up the Church ............ He lived not in a tent like the patriarch, surrounded with servants to tend his flocks and milk his kine and 'bring him butter in a lordly dish,' but in a cabin built of unhewn logs, with scarcely a pane of glass to let in light enough to enable him to read his Bible; and even this was not his own, nor was he permitted to live long in one at a time." All this was witnessed by the young missionary who helped him in a removal, holding one handle of a basket in which a few articles of crockery while Father Nash held the remaining handle; and as they walked along the road "they talked of things pertaining to the Kingdom of God." Seldom is a more interesting picture drawn by the pen, or on more artlessly and innocently given, than this living and breathing sketch of a scene in the woods , a hundred years ago. The Bishop says long after: "I cannot refrain from tears when I recall the circumstances of that day. This man, who was afterwards most properly called 'Father Nash,' was the founder of the church in Ostego County who baptized great numbers of both adults and children, and thus was the spiritual father of so many of the family of Christ, and who spent all his life and strength in toiling of their spiritual benefit; yet who was at this period so little regarded by the Church at large, and even by his neighbors, that he had not the means to move hi small furniture from one cabin to another, but with his own hands, assisted by his wife and children and myself, accomplished the task. Well do I remember how the little cabin of one room looked as he entered it. Its rude door hung on wooden hinges creaking as they turned. How glad he was that he had been mindful to bring a few nails; these he drove into the logs with good judgment, choosing the proper place for his hat, his coat, and for other garments for his family. All this, while his patient wife was, with the children's help, building a fire and preparing food for--- whom? Shall it be said a stranger? No! but for one who by sympathy felt himself a brother more than by all the ties of nature, and who by this day's example learned a lesson of inexpressible value to him of all the days of his life hereafter." Besides Burlington, Mr. Chase visited many other places in which Mr. Nash had his small congregations, among them the Butternuts and Ridgefield. Thence he preceded alone to the Susquehanna, where, at Ocwaga, he organized a parish. The two families here who were of the most assistance to him were the Honiston and Harper families. Stamford on the Delaware River was the next place which the missionary visited. Here he preached for several Sundays and was kindly treated by the family of Andrew Beers, the astronomer. So interesting were these people that he was well-nigh induced to remain among them, and with that view contributed a hundred dollars of his small salary to help building their church. But Providence ordered otherwise. He then went on to Freehold, in which was a place called Batavia. Here a Mr.Gunn was his chief friend and supporter in forming a parish, and many years after he assisted him in similar duty at Portsmouth, Ohio. The few churchmen in Hudson, Lunenburg <now Athens>, at New Lebanon Springs, and in Putman County, were not neglected, so that it was quite autumn of the year 1799 before Mr. Chase reached Pougkeepsie, where, and at Fishkill, he was invited to remain as rector of the two parishes. The Rev. Philander Chase was ordained to the priesthood in St. Paul's Church, New York, by the Rt. Rev. Samuel Provost, on the 10th day of November, 1799. In the beginning of his work as a parish priest, Mr. Chase, yet a very young man, not quite twenty-four, naturally was greatly disappointed that , on account of yellow fever prevailing to an alarming extent in the city of New York, the Convention of the Church was not held for two successive years, 1798-99. In consequence there was no public record of his services as a missionary during this time. It is more probable that not one churchman in a thousand among the rich and powerful parishes in western New York knows who it was that laid these foundations in the wilderness a hundred years ago, The importance of missions in the destitute conditions of western New York still occupied his mind, although his duty to his family compelled him to remain in Poughkeepsie. The small missionary fund had been exhausted, even by the moderate stipend afforded him and the Rev. Mr. Wetmore, his predecessor. To replenish this by appealing to his people was at once his pleasure and duty, and although the contributions were limited, yet he never presented them but with an humble prayer that God would bless the day of small things to his glory. Chapter VIII to be continued Harriet M. Chase hatchase@uswest.net

Sheila If you have a clue that your Finney might be connected to the Norwich, Vermont, Finneys suggest you post to VT Windsor County, as there is a Charles Anderson with Norwich Finneys. Also post to the Hatch list. The name of course catches my eye but I don't think I tie in with yours. Harriet Chase hatchase@uswest.net

And you also might like to contact don Ryan who has a family with a Lucinda who could be yours ryand@3rddoor.com -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Bates <sbates@hughestech.net> To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: [CRV] Finney and Hatch > >Hi, >I am researching Lucinda Finney, believed to have been born in Stamford,Vermont in 1796. > James Hatch, Born in 1786 Salem? Ma. >They married about 1820. >Their children, Louise, Charlotte,Jane, Harriet,James, Charles Henry and Mary were born between 1821-1836 in North Adams,Ma. >Readsboro, Vermont and Marlboro,Vermont. >Except for Harriet who married and stayed in New York they all moved to Illinois in the late 1840's >I would be happy to hear from anyone who may know of this family or could advise me. >Best wishes >Sheila Bates >Illinois > > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== >Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society >Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > >============================== >Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

This little excerp came from the Amazon web page Warren sent from a book called ,"Liberty for Some", read on: As it granted Sandys's request, the Privy Council commended the city fathers for "redeeming so many poor souls from misery and ruin and putting them in a condition of use and service to the State." If any children were found "obstinate to resist or otherwise to disobey such directions as shall be given in this behalf," company officials were henceforth empowered to "imprison, punish and dispose of any of those children, upon any disorder by them or any of them committed, as cause shall require, and so to ship them to Virginia with as much expedition as may stand for conveniency." Once the procedure had been worked out, roundups became routine. Soon the Virginia Company's request for another 100 children was quickly approved and another batch was swept up and sent away. It is unclear how many boys and girls were taken, but company records indicate that additional cargoes were authorized, at least in 1620 and 1622, and a letter of 1627 mentions 1,400 to 1,500 children as being shipped to Virginia. The policy of allowing, even encouraging, private companies to forcibly apprehend, detain, transport, and sell into service lower-class children was legitimized by every branch and level of government and praised by the highest church officials. Shipping such persons abroad, John Donne said, "is not only a spleen to drain the ill humors of the body, but a liver to breed good blood." This seizure (or "napping") of children ("kids") for shipment to America as servants became so well-known that the practice acquired a new name: "kidnapping." Its original practitioners and defenders included government officials, corporate executives, clergymen, and parents. There is more but you will have to go the URL Warren included to read. Just scroll down on the web page. Ron H. Warren Wetmore wrote: > > Apparently it's true. They became indentured servants. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 > /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 > > (you may have to copy that long URL in pieces to your > browser's address window). > > Yrs aye, > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NewEnglander1621" <NewEnglander1621@email.msn.com> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 9:53 PM > Subject: [CRV] Re: [CTHARTFO] 1500 Kidnapped children > > > Perhaps someone on my 4 lists would know ......I kind of > wondered myself > > > > Cynthia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Maritoole@aol.com> > > :> > 1627 > > > > settling: in urgent attempts to provide adequate > number of settlers for > > the > > > > Virginia colony, the London managers send over a > shipload of some 1500 > > > > kidnapped children, some of whom were quite young. > > > > > > > I would like to read more about this. Anyone have any > ideas where I might > > > find more info on it? Thanks, and Thanks to Cynthia for > posting this > > recent > > > history for us. Marilyn > > > > > > > > > ==== CTHARTFO Mailing List ==== > > > If you have something to share with the list...please > do..be sure to list > > resources > > > Conn River Valley Genealogical Library: > http://www.quadrangle.org > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/search > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn > River area) > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy > access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourc > ecode=F11HB > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/search > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Apparently it's true. They became indentured servants. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-excerpt/1555533647 /o/qid%3D927784784/sr%3D2-1/002-6624597-8460035 (you may have to copy that long URL in pieces to your browser's address window). Yrs aye, Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "NewEnglander1621" <NewEnglander1621@email.msn.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: [CRV] Re: [CTHARTFO] 1500 Kidnapped children > Perhaps someone on my 4 lists would know ......I kind of wondered myself > > Cynthia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Maritoole@aol.com> > :> > 1627 > > > settling: in urgent attempts to provide adequate number of settlers for > the > > > Virginia colony, the London managers send over a shipload of some 1500 > > > kidnapped children, some of whom were quite young. > > > > > I would like to read more about this. Anyone have any ideas where I might > > find more info on it? Thanks, and Thanks to Cynthia for posting this > recent > > history for us. Marilyn > > > > > > ==== CTHARTFO Mailing List ==== > > If you have something to share with the list...please do..be sure to list > resources > > Conn River Valley Genealogical Library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > > > ============================== > > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/search > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourc ecode=F11HB >