Hi List, I'm looking for parents/ancestors of Elizabeth BELDEN/BELDING 1663-1635 who married Deacon Henry GILBERT 1661-1740. I have their marriage date as Jan 31, 1682/83 in Springfield, MA. Possible that her father was Samuel BELDEN/BELDING, but I have no proof of this. Would greatly appreciate any assistance. Thanks! Nancy

I really have a life, but don't feel well enough to tend to it; so looked in an older dictionary that I have; the word closest is "hogreeve " - in New England an officer having the care of stray hogs. Regardless, of the exact meaning,think you might be stuck with the hogs ^ ; ^ Harriet

The records of the meeting in Ware River Parish, Massachusetts, for 12 March, 1744, show that my ancestor, Jeremiah Omsted, was chosen "hogervige", and that his brother-in-law, Judah Marsh, was chosen "hogrift". Can SKS (obviously an educated one) explain what those two jobs were, and what was the difference? Different people were chosen for these two positions every year. Jeremuah was also chosen one of the two "servuaers of hy ways" at the same time, so he must have been a busy man that year! A vote was also taken at the meeting that "Swine Should run at large with yokes, and rings". Carl Hommel hommel@sundial.net

http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/terms.html This is another site for list of old occupations (more complete), though it does not list the two you are asking about, "hoggard" is defined as someone tending hogs. I am wondering if perhaps yours also has something to do with hogs? Harriet Chase

http://www.personal.riverusers.com/~enderleb/Occupations.html Dear Carl I may be SKP, intelligent???? Resourceful, maybe. Unfortunately the above web site does not list the two occupations you are seeking the meaning. Good resource for others though. Harriet Chase

Does any one know of these THOMAS'? Ann Margaret was born abt 1785 I have found Ireland, and also found wirtten on a note Chester co. Her father was Martin THOMAS and I know nothing of him. Ann Margaret married 1810 Chester county, Pennsylvania TO James GREAR... all I know of James is that he was born in Ireland and died in Knox county, Ohio. Don't know when.. From their marriage date I have assumed their births and that of her father. Their daughter Jane GREAR born 1811 Chester county, Pennsylvania md Joseph HOLLIS on 22 Jan 1829 in Chester county, Pennsylvania.. they later moved to Knox county Ohio and then on to Valparaiso, Porter, Indiana where they both died. I have another direct line of THOMAS' in Chester county Pennsylvania: Margaret 3) THOMAS 1728- Radnor, Chester, Pennsylvania md 1746 out of the MM, at Newton, Chester, Pennsylvania TO Joseph DICKINSON... any one know of him? Their dau Priscilla DICKINSON md 1780 Pennsylvania TO Thomas 5) LINCOLN.. who was the 1c2r of Abraham LINCOLN.. Thomas 2) THOMAS 12 Mar 1690 Newton, Chester, Pennsylvania died there on 13 May 1754 ; md abt 1710 Radnor, Chester, Pennsylvania TO Sarah 2) JARMAN b 14 Feb 1695 at Radnor, Chester, Pennsylvania died bef 20 July 1752 at Newton, Chester, Pennsylvania the d/o John 1) b 1650 at Llangerigg, Montgomery Wales died 1696/7 and Margaret ......... b ........... at Llangerigg, Montgomery, Wales died 1730/1731. any one know of 'em? Sarah JARMAN had a brother Lewis JARMAN who sold some property to Sarah's daughter Margaret 3) THOMAS a widow.. that is all I know. William 1) THOMAS born abt 1662 at Machynlleth, Montgromery, Wales died at Chester county, Pennsylvania in 1754, md at Newton, Chester Pennsylvania in 1688/1689 TO Elizabeth IDDINGS b 1664 at Newton, Chester, Pennsylvania d 7 Feb 1727 Pequea, Chester, Pennsylvania. The d/o Richard IDDINGS b 7 Feb 1636 Buford, Shropshire, Wales he d 1726 at Nantmeal [county ?] Pennsylvania he md 23 June 1662 Morville Parish [where is that?] TO Margaret 1) CHARLES b 1636 in Wales and died 1683 in Pennsylvania. I have Richard IDDINGS as the s/o William and Urusla IDDINGS. John -1) ap THOMAS b 1616 Cilcain, Flints, Wales d ........... md 1659/1660 at Machynlleth, Montgromery, Wales TO unknown who was born 1640 also at Machynlleth, Montgomery, Wales. Thomas -2) ap John GRIFFITH born 17 Aug 1609 at Cilcain, Flints, Wales died 9 Dec 1680 at Cilcain, Flints, Wales, md bef 1635 there TO Elizabeth ................ John -3) ap Griffith b 1582 Cilcain, Flints, Wales d ......... md 1605/1606 there TO an unknown woman. Thanks for your time and help Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com

second notice: I SAID that is ENOUGH of this subject.......DROP IT....... Next person[s] I see post a response to this will be removed.... no if and no buts. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor Myke" < To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:12 AM > --- Rod Dav4is <wrote: > Some folks just can't grasp the concept of irony -- > and never will. > > I think that it probably requires more intelligence > than they can muster. > > -- > Regards, Rod Dav4is > Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 150+ > ancestral families, > mostly Olde New England, total population: 43,000+ > **************************** > Submitting this response to the > list since he has chosen this avenue to promote > his comments as to depth of all of our Intelligence > levels - > > and a visit to the URL he has listed > will give all [even those of us w/sub-intelligence] > an insight to the mighty prices tags on his input. > > He can rest assured, we will all nite the irony in > his msg. > > ... an olde expression comes to mind ... > > "Birds of a feather .... " author unknown...... > > ******************************** > > Sailor817@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I feel it necessary to apologize to this list for > > stirring up such > > > controversy. It was not my intentoin to do so and > > I thought that any > > > intellegent person would clearly understand my > > intent. Unfortunately it seems > > > to be the spirit of the age that we must measure > > our words most carefully > > > anymore, lest someone more sensitive be offended. > > Forgive me. > > > Ken Roberts > > > > Some folks just can't grasp the concept of irony -- > > and never will. I think that > > it probably requires more intelligence than they can > > muster. > > > > -- > > Regards, Rod Dav4is > > Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 150+ > > ancestral families, mostly Olde > > New England, total population: 43,000+ > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > Any misbehaving on this list will be warned > > --ONCE--no second chances.. > > THIS WARNING ONLY APPEARS ONCE > > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >

Few days ago there were several postings in regards to the surname of HOWLAND in Plymouth Colony which later became part of Massachusetts Bay Colony.......below is more info. In the book; "Pioneers of Massachusetts" by Pope, 1998 [reprint] page 243-244 1.ARTHUR, planter , yeoman, of Duxbury [Mass], proprietor 1640; . Prop. for farm.1 March 1641-2; Brought suit 5 Nov.1644 for goods brought from England for him by the wife of Robert Mendam. Arthur removed to Marshfield. Arthur died Oct 30,1675. Will probated 7 March 1678; bequests to: wife,Margaret; son Arthur; grand children Assadiah Smith and his 3 brothers; daus-Mary Williamson, Martha Daman, Elizabeth Low; grand children: Mary Walker and Timothy Williamson; The widow, Margaret was buried Oct 23,1683. Her will probated 5 March 1683-4, bequests to grandson, John Walker; to Ebenezer, Thomas and Arthur, children of son ,Arthur, whom she made Exec. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- 2. HENRY: yeoman, Duxbury, taxed in 1632; freeman 1633; able to bear arms,1643; town officer. His will dated 28 (9); probated 8 March 1670. bequests to wife,Mary, and children: Zeoth, Joseph, John, Samuel, Sarah, Elizabeth, Mary, and Abigail. The widow, Mary: made will 3 May 1674; probated 26 same month; bequests to sons named above and to daughters, Abigail Young, Mary Cudworth, Sarah Dennis, and Elizabeth Allin [note: daughters with married names] ------------------------------------------------------------ 3.JOHN: came on the Mayflower, as a servant of John Carver,. signed the Mayflower Compact; took active part in the early explorations. Settled at Plymouth; town officer; a partner in the trading company of the colony; Prominent in the church so he "assisted in the imposition of hands" upon Rev. John Cotton,JR., when he was ordained pastor 30 (6) 1669. He married Elizabeth, dau of John Tillie[Tilly]. children John; Desire(also named at the division of cattle in 1627; she married John Gorum); Hope,1630+-, married John Chipman; Deborah, married 4 Jan 1648/9 to John Smith,Jr of Plymouth; Elizabeth, married Ephriam Hicks in 1649; Ruth, married in 1664 to Thomas Cushman........ others named in will. John died 23 February 1672-3; "a profitable instrument of good; last man that was left of those that came over on the Mayflower that arrived in Plymouth". His will dated 29 May , probated 6 March 1672; grown aged; bequest to wife, Elizabeth his house in Rocky Nook in the town of Plymouth, and made her residuary legatee; bequests to son,John Jabez, Isaac, Joseph; to daughters, Desire Gorum, Hope Chipman, Elizabeth Dickerson, Lydia Browne, Hannah Bosworth, and Ruth Cushman; grandchild Elizabeth, dau of his son,John. signed and sealed. The widow,Elizabeth died 21(12)1687, age 80 [Swansey rec.] Her will dated 17 Dec 1786, aged 79 years; bequests to sons named by husband and daughters, Lydia, Elizabeth, and Hannah. to grandchild: Elizabeth Bursely, Nathaniel Howland, James, Jabez, and Dorothy Browne, and Desire Gorum. Sons-in-law, James Browne and son,Jabex, exec. ---------------------------------------- Cynthia Moderator of : Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Rootsweb sponsor

looking for a thomas pollock b 1807, married laura rush abt 1830. lived in new milford ct in 1830,40,50 , would like to find church records,tax records, probate records , marriage records. thomas was a hatter. thank you joan

Fellow listers, I am seeking the connection to My BELDEN/BELDING line that runs through the Southern Tier and Central NY. My earliest Belden is Comfort BELDEN who was born in Horseheads NY circa 1820. He married Harriet Webster bef 1845. Harriet was born in Union Springs,NY. Their son Lewis Franklin BELDEN was born in 1847 in Union Springs. In census records Comfort used BELDEN and BELDING. His children settled on BELDEN as spelling. Would there be anyone out there whose BELDEN/BELDEN line went thru or splits off to Chemung county and/or Cayuga county in New York? Any assistance greatly appreciated. Rick

Sailor817@aol.com wrote: > I feel it necessary to apologize to this list for stirring up such > controversy. It was not my intentoin to do so and I thought that any > intellegent person would clearly understand my intent. Unfortunately it seems > to be the spirit of the age that we must measure our words most carefully > anymore, lest someone more sensitive be offended. Forgive me. > Ken Roberts Some folks just can't grasp the concept of irony -- and never will. I think that it probably requires more intelligence than they can muster. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 150+ ancestral families, mostly Olde New England, total population: 43,000+

Sorry folks. that should be # 14, 2 is right next to the one ^;^ Harriet

By Laura Chase Smith, Dutton Press, 1903 Chapter IX DIFFICULTIES AND DANGERS Mr. Chase remained in New Orleans for six months before returning to his home in Poughkeepsie for his family. Meantime he had received the assurance of a competent support from the newly organized parish of Christ Church, New Orleans. Mrs. Chase then went with her husband to bid adieu to her parents and friends in Vermont and New Hampshire. Yet so frail was her condition and so strong her impressions of her brief tenure of life, that she finally consented to leave both her little sons with their uncle, Dudley Chase of Randolph (Center), Vermont. The children were nearly of an age, George was eight and Philander seven, interesting and beautiful lads. Judge of the grief of the mother's heart when she bade them good-bye, as she feared, for the last time upon earth. >From Randolph, on a hot summer day, Mr. and Mrs. Chase drove down the White River Valley to Cornish, the home of Mr. Chase's youth. Here were more farewells to be spoken; then on they went to Hopkinton, the home of his beloved brother, Barauch, where he baptized his two young nephews, and then onward to Haverhill, New Hampshire, where Mrs. Chase was seized with an alarming hemorrhage of the lungs. Fortunately the physician's skill relieved her from present danger and the young couple soon arrived at Boston. Mr. Chase in his brief visit had an opportunity of meeting with the "Johnsonain club, " (?), which must have been managed on the plan of that immortal genius whose name it had taken. Here were met the Elliot's, Dexters, and the Warrens of that day. September had passed before the couple reached New York. One must bear in mind the difficulties of traveling at that time. A journey from Boston to New York involved many days of continuous coach or wagon or horseback riding over rough roads, which, for a delicate, invalid woman, must have been exhausting, even dangerous. The brig "Friendship", whose Captain Mr. Chase knew and which had been selected fort he voyage, was found upon their arrival to have cleared all ready for sea, and he had only time to carry his invalid wife on board in his arms, leaving all his earthly possessions to be shipped on the "Polly Elisa," the next vessel "up" for New Orleans. Mr. Chase speaks of this circumstance as providential, as the latter vessel was wrecked, and its crew and passengers rescued after great suffering for many days. The cargo was entirely lost, including all of Mr. Chase's goods. "Happily the sea air, in spite of the great storm proved most beneficial to the invalid, and when the ship approached a milder climate, she who was so lately languishing under the effect of a wasting disease, was now in fine spirits, able to comfort those who had been of late caring for her, cheering all by her smiles, and alive to the beauty of the ocean voyage." Upon arriving at New Orleans Mr. Chase had the satisfaction of knowing that his wife's health was greatly improved, and he began his sacred duties under favorable auspices and with good courage. In the mean while their household goods had already been destroyed by the shipwreck of the "Polly Eliza." It was March before this misfortune was made known to Mr. Chase, -- when he met a little boy, a former pupil in his Poughkeepsie school, who was wearing his own son's clothes, which had been packed with the expectation that one of his little boys would come with his parents. To explain: The brig "Polly Eliza" had been wrecked upon the shoals of Point Sacco, the crew and passengers escaping to the shore. For many days there after these unfortunates were kept alive by the provisions made by Mr. Chase for his family, and kept from perishing by cold by the clothing in the boxes cast ashore by the waves. They were rescued from their dangerous position by a party of wreckers from Cuba, and finally, after months of suffering, brought to New Orleans. Mr. Chase lost his all -- books, furniture, maps, globes, provisions clothing. His purse was empty and his salary had been anticipated in expensive lodging ; he had no resources from abroad, or in the land whence he came, for at that time there were no benevolent societies nor generous missionary aid to help in such serious disaster. Under God, he must depend upon his own exertions. It was well that Mr. Chase was a born teacher. He did not lose any time in idle regret. He hired a small house, borrowed a little money, and began to receive pupils. In this undertaking the greatest difficulty was the impossibility of obtaining domestic service. Where all are owners of slaves, none can keep house without them. He must own them or hire them from others. If a man owned a good servant, he would not part with him, and a poor one was not worth having. To borrow money and purchase was the only expedient, except to give all up and leave the country. Aided by Mr. Dow, afterwards one of the wardens of the church, he was able to borrow of the bank, and as his school soon proved to be profitable, he was not under indebtedness. The Negro Jack was brought for $500, proved to be a model servant, was put into good clothes, waited upon the family for three months, and was both modest and manly; then he shipped himself upon the "Thomas Jefferson", just ready to sail for Liverpool, went with a fair wind and swift current down the river and out to sea, and was seen no more by Mr. Chase or his friends. This, under the circumstances, was a hard blow and humiliating as well, but it was not the end of the story. It was impossible then to predict that this insignificant event would, long years after, raise him from deep distress and be the means under God of greatly benefiting His Church. The school grew apace and larger quarters were soon needed. It thus became necessary to move into town. While these changes were in progress, a dear friend proposed for the sake of health and recreation an excursion after Mr. Chase's long confinement in school and public duties. Therefore, with his hired servant Jim and Captain C., he started gaily out in the pleasant month of May, 1808, for a short trip across the lake to Bookters Springs. No doubt the young men enjoyed the bustle of providing the tent, cooking utensils, and provisions fort his unusual picnic excursion with boyish pleasure, -- at least we hope so, in view of the "denouement" (?) of the story. With all things needed to make themselves comfortable, they passed though Bayou St. John's to the Lake Pontchartrain. Here at the military post of St.John's, they meet with great civility from the officers and the captains of the gun-boats on the lake, which is really a part of the Mexican Gulf and a beautiful sheet of water, abounding with excellent fish. >From thence the friends went on a board a small schooner to the Tickfaw River. A fine wind soon carried them through into Lake Maurepas, where they pitched their tent upon its shore, as the schooner could take them no farther. Here their pleasure ended and their trials began. The story from this time became distressing, all owing to the unlocked -for presence of a most disagreeable person. Life, in all times, and places, has people who are especially intended by nature and training to be the kill-joy of society. Here they were joined by a friend of Captain C., with his servant, who urged them to change their plans and visit him at his new plantation. The uninvited and disagreeable guest joined in urging this plan, as it coincided with his desire to show his own lands, and offered to bring his horses to aid the party on their way to Bayou Barbara, also promising to pilot them thither by a much shorter route by help of his compass. This person was "J," in the story, and the owner of Bayou Barbara was "Mr.D.," who strangely enough, although a charming and cultivated gentleman, yielded to the offensive patronage of J without protest. Then the order of march was taken up, first the intruder J. on horseback with a bag of Indian meal, under him and a compass in his hand, then Mr. D.'s servant with a ham on one shoulder and an axe on the other, then the hired yellow man, Jim with large tin cup, knife, and hatchet, flint and "spunk" to strike a fire. No matches in 1806. The rear was brought up by Mr. Chase on horseback, enjoying the pleasant company of Mr. D., who, with rifle over shoulder, walked by his side. Captain C.. had remained to attend to his business at Bookters Springs. (this story goes on; too long for one posting: to be continued!) Harriet M. Chase hatchase@uswest.net

In a message dated 11/2/00 12:18:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, louellas@endor.com writes: > Thanks Leslie. Louella > Yur'e welcome Leslie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pullen-Reynolds" <wvreynol@ruralnet.org> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers > I don't know why I feel a need to respond to this but here goes......... > WHY forward any of our messages to another list WITHOUT the writer's > permission? I took Ken Roberts' comment as one made in jest and simply > smiled. My point being -- even if not in jest, this is our list and we > should be able to feel we can talk with each other and not have it spread > all over the internet. > > Carol Reynolds Carol, strictly speaking, if it's posted to a list it's public. But where it's cross-posted or forwarded to IS a matter of netiquette and good judgment. Forwarding a yummy recipe for marinated brisket from BARBECUE-L to ANIMALRIGHTS-L will only spark a flame war. About 25 years ago the _Village Voice_ in New York City carried a letters-to-the-editor flame war between dog lovers and those who objected to dogs being allowed to foul the sidewalks. One of the objectors submitted a recipe for sweet-and-sour Doberman pinscher. You can imagine how the dog lovers took THAT. Yes, Ken was cracking a joke. I have both Quaker and Puritan ancestors and didn't see that it was objectionable. Most people understand jokes; others do not and get all huffy and upset. Yrs aye, Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mimi Taylor" <myke20@netzero.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers > > > > Have forwarded your comments to the Quaker-L > > as you seem to be an authority on the Quakers with this > > comment - to the lists: > > > > >> See!? What'd I tell you? Just a bunch of troublemakin' heretics! > > Deserved > > whatever they got, I say. > > Ken Roberts << > > > > M. Taylor > > > > > > > > > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ > > Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > List your sources when giving information > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) > > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] > > List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > > ============================== > > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > Conn.River Valley Genealogical Research Library: http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical library for Conn River area) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.nehgs.org New Eng.Hist.Genealogical Society > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

OK....Ken said he was sorry.....let's drop the subject.......NOW. ------------ Cynthia Moderator of : Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sailor817@aol.com <Sailor817@aol.com> > To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > >I feel it necessary to apologize to this list for stirring up such > >controversy. It was not my intention to do so and I thought that any > >intellegent person would clearly understand my intent. Unfortunately it > seems > >to be the spirit of the age that we must measure our words most carefully > >anymore, lest someone more sensitive be offended. Forgive me. > >Ken Roberts > > > > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > >List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > > >============================== > >The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > >members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > >http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gene.Library) > listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Thanks Leslie. Louella -----Original Message----- From: LeslieVaughn@aol.com <LeslieVaughn@aol.com> To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers > > > > >I took the comment about the Quakers as a jest. I do descend from Quakers & >I am currently a member of a church that has undergone a lot of negative >publicity & persecution for our beliefs so I am sensitive to bigoted remarks. > I don't think that these qualified as bigoted. > >I believe the writer was trying to show some ironic humor such as when >someone is called subtle when they are loud & brash, or tiny when they weigh >300 lbs. I took it to mean that those who persecuted the Quakers did so >because they didn't know the beauty of the religion & were stupid. > >I took it to mean that the Quakers were minding their own business >worshipping as they did & were misunderstood & maligned, persecuted & feared >because others were threatened with their peaceful ways. > >I really thought it was a compliment to the Quakers. > >Leslie > > > > > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gene.Library) >listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

I took the comment about the Quakers as a jest. I do descend from Quakers & I am currently a member of a church that has undergone a lot of negative publicity & persecution for our beliefs so I am sensitive to bigoted remarks. I don't think that these qualified as bigoted. I believe the writer was trying to show some ironic humor such as when someone is called subtle when they are loud & brash, or tiny when they weigh 300 lbs. I took it to mean that those who persecuted the Quakers did so because they didn't know the beauty of the religion & were stupid. I took it to mean that the Quakers were minding their own business worshipping as they did & were misunderstood & maligned, persecuted & feared because others were threatened with their peaceful ways. I really thought it was a compliment to the Quakers. Leslie

I feel it necessary to apologize to this list for stirring up such controversy. It was not my intentoin to do so and I thought that any intellegent person would clearly understand my intent. Unfortunately it seems to be the spirit of the age that we must measure our words most carefully anymore, lest someone more sensitive be offended. Forgive me. Ken Roberts

Good Evening, >I Have never responded,to any remark,no matter how ignorant on any list.Your apology was double edged,the apology was nice,however,your remark about "any intelligent person" wasn't.I also found your remark,less than intelligent.Let's be nice to each other and treat everyone living or dead with the respect we all want and deserve. >This is a wonderful list. Nancy Jo -----Original Message----- From: Sailor817@aol.com <Sailor817@aol.com> To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Quakers >I feel it necessary to apologize to this list for stirring up such >controversy. It was not my intentoin to do so and I thought that any >intellegent person would clearly understand my intent. Unfortunately it seems >to be the spirit of the age that we must measure our words most carefully >anymore, lest someone more sensitive be offended. Forgive me. >Ken Roberts > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] >List owner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > >============================== >The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family >members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. >http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp >