> Postings of the "History of Hartford VT" to the list, > would be VERY welcome.....especially the land divisions !! > Cynthia > listowner The doings of ancestor Rowland Powell at "The 2nd Divison of Fifty Acre Lots" just gets weirder the closer I look at it, and cries out the more for hints leading toward explanation. Some (a few) of the individual land descriptions from the Second Division of Fify Acre Lots include the date November 2, 1776 -- so I revise my old date guess to be 1776. For Rowland Powell's part in the Second Division of Fifty Acre Lots: "The following is a Survey of one hundred and fifty acres of Land Laid out in Hartford to Rowland Powell Junr[?][.] Beginning by the rode on White River by the Rocky Mountain and running [...hither and yon...] to the place of beginning[.] then pitched [drew lots for] the Land in the above Survey to original Right of Daniel Newcomb for his Second Hundred and and [sic] Second fifty acre pitches [illegible] Hundred No. 59. [new line] [illegible] Rowland Powell Jr[?]" (Where "Junior" really means "the third," maybe, and the date might be November 2, 1776.) BUT!!! Three years later, in 1779, comes the deed. Well, I suppose the deed had to wait until Rowland paid the money for the land. But, the above says the land was Daniel Newcomb's. But, the seller on the deed is George Smith! And George Smith doesn't even live in Windsor County!!! He lives in Cumberland County, VT, which doesn't exist!!!!!! But the land isn't in Windsor Co., any more, but in Cumberland Co., so that must get back to the fight between NY and NH over VT. Which clarifies nothing. Anyway, I'm left wondering what wall this George Smith came off of, as well as the true date of the Second Division of Fifty Acre Lots, as well as why Daniel Newcomb wasn't paid for his own land, but rather some stranger (Mr. Smith) was. Verification of a flip-flop of Windsor Co. from Windsor Co. into Cumberland Co. then back into Windsor Co. would help too. Also, why the Second Division was such a very, very, very long time after Hartford was founded in 1761. I would think it would have been much earlier. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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why isn't ed thrown off the list, you kicked maureen off, he any better than her. subsciber ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK" <fes@kear.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Re: [Ma-Bay-Colony] President? > Ed-pay no mind-drive on by. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin T. Leach" <ezed@earthlink.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:12 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Re: [Ma-Bay-Colony] President? > > > > Maureen: > > > > Are you for real? Public opinion is running 1,000,000 to 1 against you. > > Nothing you have said is worth commenting on. When do we get back to > > Genealogy?........................Ed > > > > > > > > At 09:12 AM 11/30/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Maureen <abc@empire.net> > > >To: MA-BAY-COLONY-L@rootsweb.com <MA-BAY-COLONY-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:02 AM > > >Subject: [Ma-Bay-Colony] President? > > > > > > > > > >Feed Back please > > > >I demand a recount!! > > > >I think this presidential race was so close that neither side will give > in. > > > >We should let Al Gore become the next President. After all his family > comes > > >from a long line of people well groomed for the position. > > > >He pretty much knows all the leading heads of state and countries > because > > >of being in the White House the last eight years. > > > >He does want to do right by this country.Environment, Medical, by the > > >people and for the people. > > > >Actually I think President Clinton did such a wonderful job while in > > >office. > > > >I do not think his affair should have been brought into what he was > > >doingFOR OUR COUNTRY. After all he was not elected a pope , priest, > rabbi, > > >minister, or GOD. > > > >He should not have been judged on a MORAL issue in the public eye.This > is > > >DIRTY politics. > > > >How many people do you know that are married that cheat on their > spouses? > > > >They do not lose their jobs because of it.They do not have to get up in > the > > >public eye and apologize to their fellow workers, or the world. > > > >Do not get me wrong, I do not go along with someone who is morally > wrong, > > >BUT ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. > > > >How many Prseidents that were in office had affairs. It was not > disclosed > > >until AFTER they left the Presidency. > > > >We need to resolve this presidental race. > > > >I think Al Gore IS the next President and DIRTY politics has taken over > in > > >the count!!! > > > > If it can not be resolved then maybe Governor Bush should be made > Vice > > >President. > > > > Or maybe because we are going into a new age, that we SHOULD leave > > >President Clinton in office for the next four years. > > > >He has done a lot of good for the people while he has been there. > > > >We are not a weak country, but we might be looked at this way with all > this > > >dirty politics going on, i.e. the throwing away of votes from > overseas,the > > >punching of more than one (dimple?)while under Jebs watchful eye. Giving > one > > >area of electoral votes and then taking away another area. This is all > DIRTY > > >politics. The slandering of OUR president Clinton while still in office, > > >because of a MORAL issue that only God should judge.If you would notice > > >please, was it not a BUSH that was running against President Clinton. Now > we > > >have another member of the family attacking our next GOOD PRESIDENT. > > >HELLO PEOPLE WAKE UP. > > > >I would have voted for peace and prosperity. I do not believe in > gambling > > >our resources or putting them on the line, to try and make gain.You could > > >lose ALL. > > > >Everyone must know that Al Gore won this race, but because DIRTY > politics > > >took over, he is not in office. > > > >And we all thought that DIRTY politics was cheating on your spouse in > the > > >public eye. > > > >Please do not attack me, for what I write is the TRUTH. > > > >We need to take a good look at why our next President Al Gore is not in > > >office. > > > > > > > >Feed back please, but ONLY on LIST. > > > >This is now a formal DEBATE. No fighting please, I just want to hear > other > > >views and opinions. > > > >Our country was formed By the People and For the people. One Nation > under > > >GOD. > > > > > > > >God would NOT be acting like these people are with the lying and DIRTY > > >politics. > > > > > > > >We have freedom of speech, but only if it is HEALTHY. > > > > > > > >Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > >==== MA-BAY-COLONY Mailing List ==== > > > >Connecticut River Valley area of Mass,Conn,NH,VT > > > > Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River > > >Valley or other mailing list > > >http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > > > > >http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > > > > >============================== > > >The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River > Valley or other mailing list > > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) > listowner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

The 2d land allottment of Malden, April 1638 was in the part of Charlestown "Mistickside" which became Woburn: page 66: Increase Nowell Zackary Sims John Greene Ralph Mousall Richard Miller Samuell Cartar Jn Goulde Thomas Cartar Thomas Wickes Robert Blott James Greene John Martin Edward Convers Thomas Moulton Jn.Crow Daniel Shepherdson Seth Sweetser ** Edward Gibbons** Hen: Bullocks Jn.Burrage Wm Smith Joseph Ketchering Samuel Haule James Tomson Wm.Powell Abraham Pratt Isack Cole George Hutchinson Thomas Lynde** Wm.Brackenbury James Pemberton Peter Garland Robert Rand Ezekiel Richeson John Hodges ------ page 67: Rice Cole Jn.Harvard Richard Sprague Thomas Goble James Browne Robt.Hawkins goo: Thom: Caule Joseph Coleman Wm.Nash Wm.Frothingale Nicholas Trarice Robert Shorthus Beniam. Hubberd Mrs.Anne Higginson Nicholas Davis Jn.Haule Richard Kettle John Palmer Wm.Dade Jn.Lewis Jn.Woolrich Widow Wilkeson James Hubberd Thomas Pearce Richard Palgrave Edward Burton Thomas Richeson Abraham Hill John Mousall George Hebourne James mathews Abra: Palmer Wm.Witherall Walter Palmer Geo: Buncker Geo:Knore Edward Carrington Jn.Brimsmead Phillip Drincker Geo: Felch Edward Sturges Rice Morris Joshua Tedd ----- page: 68 Widow Katherine Coitemore John Sibly Edward Johnson Henry Lawrence Wm.Johnson James Hayden Thomas Knore Fra: Norton Robert Long Robert Cutler Nicholas Stowers John Tedd Wm.Baker Geo: Whitehand Robert Leach Robert Hale Thom: Brigden Mathew Smith Abra: Mellowes Edward Mellowes Widow Harwood Wm.Lerned Samuel Richerdson Michell Barstow ** Stephen Forsditch[Fosditch]** Faintnot Winds Capt Robert Sedgwick Theophi: Higginson Thomas Ewer ralph Sprague James Garrett Thomas Squire Edward Jones Wm.Quicke Thomas Coitmore ---------------- Charlestown archives, XX,18 ------- Book: Malden,Mass 1633-1785; Deloriane Corey,1899 --- Cynthia -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Book: "Malden,Mass.1633-1785" by Deloraine P.Corey,1899 ----- The first landowners in Malden,were Charlestown[Mass]settlers. Middlesex deeds,CCLXXII,312. --- [those with **..indicate my lines] -- page 59: Increase Nowell Edward Jones Thomas Moulton William Learned Thomas Squire George Whitehand Sam: Richeson --- page 60: William Baker John Hodges Peter Garland Zacha: Symes Walter Palmer Robert Hale George Felch Tho: Minor John Greene William Dade Rice Cole Nicho: Stower Tho: James Seth Seitzer [Sweetser]** Edward Gibbons ** Edward Convers M.Andrews Richard Palgrave Mrs Higginson John Haule John Woolrych Will: Brakenbury Eason of Hauks Abraham Palmer James Browne Tho: Squire and Tho: Ewer of Joseph Hubbe Mr.Hough Ralph Sprague James Tomson Abraham Palmer of Mr Crow Edward Burton Tho: James Mrs.Eason Beniamine Hubbard Henry Lawrence William johnson John Lewis Samuell Haule Michaell Bastowe [Barstow]** Ezekiel Richeson James Pemberton Robert longe --- page 61: Robert Sedgwick John Palmer Widdowe Harwode Widdowe Wilklins[on] Richard Kettell Thomas Pierce George Hepbourne John Mowsall William Nash ralph Mowsall Thomas Richardson Edward Sturgis George Hutcheson James Heyden Edward Carrington Thomas Ewer Rice Morris Thomas Knower Thomas Lyne [Lynde]** Edward mellows Richard Sprague William Frothingham Robert Rand George Buncker Abraham Mellowes Nicholas Davis ---------------- Cynthia -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

I had posted part one few weeks ago.....the first part can be found on Ma-Bay-Colony or Ct-River-Colony mailing archives. ----- Spelling as shown in "Boston familes Prior to 1700". --- Davies,James Davies,John Davies,William Davis,William,sr davis,William,jr Demin/Dening,William Dennis,Edmund Dinsdale, William Douglas,William Douse,Francis Dunster,_____ East,Francis Eaton,Nathaniel Elliott,Jacob Everill,James Everill,James Fairbanks,Richard Fanes,Henry Fawer, Barnabas Fish,Gabriel Fletcher,Edward Fletcher,Roger Flint,Mr. Flint,Mr. Foster,Thomas Fowle,Thomas Foxcroft,George Franklin,William Gallop,John Gibones,Edward Gillom,Benjamin Glover, John Goodwin, Edward Greames,Samuel Gridley,Richard Griggs, George Grosse,Edmund Grosse,Isaac Grubb, Thomas Gunnison, Hugh Hailestone,William Hansett,John Harker,Anthony Harrison,John Haugh/hough,Atherton Hawkins,James Hawkins,Thomas Hawkins,Thomas Hibbins,William Hill, John Hill,Valentine Hogg,Richard Hollich,Richard Houtchin,Jeremy Howen,Robert Hudson, Francis Hudson,William Hudson,William,jr Hull,Robert Hunne,Anne [widow of George] Hurd,John Hutchinson,Edward Hutchinson,Richard Ingles,Maudit ----------------------------------------------- next --part 3 will start with "L". Cynthia -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- postings found on: http://archivers.rootsweb.com --- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

In a message dated 11/30/00 4:46:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, stebbhs@juno.com writes: << This is now a POLITICAL forum. > > unsubscribe > >31 before, now 47..... >> WHY do folks allow a temporary "ripple" in the flow of a terrific list "get to them" and cause them to unsub? I'm not being facetious here, I really don't understand it! This list has opened SO many doors for me, and allowed me to make many new friends.......I can't even IMAGINE unsubbing, mostly because I'd be the REAL loser! Things like this always simmer down and then but a mist in a wind, if you will! Just to keep this genealogy-related, I recently visited an old cemetery in N. Hadley, MA. I have a Maria Louisa COMINS (1855-1894)d/o James B. and Louisa Kimball. On the gravestone, her husband is listed as John ELMER, no dates given. Does anyone have any info on him, or hopefully their children? James is a direct descendant of "Woburn John" 1668-1751. Annie Who loves this list!

>From the book: "History of Brimfield,Mass 1701-1878" by Rev.Charles Hyde,1878 Remember this has names with "corresponding numbers" which the numbers are listed in part 1. ----- Parker,Jesse: 24,28,30,31 Parker,Lemuel: 24,21 Powers,Eli: 30 Russell,Joseph: 24,29 Sergt.,30 Rogers,Simeon: 14 Sanderson,Sylvanus: 10,corporal Shaw,George: 2 Shaw,Samuel:2 Sherman,Benjamin: 1,3-sergt.,24,30 Sherman,Beriah: 3 Sherman,Bezaleel: 19 "" ,James,Jr.: 2,17 corporal "" ,John: 5 "" ,Joseph: 28, sergt., 31 "" , Lemuel: 2,corporal "" ,Noah: 23,28,31 "" ,Samuel: 1,2,12 corporal "" ,Thomas: 1,3 Shumway,George: 2 Smith,Elijah: 20 Smith,John: 14,23,25,30 Stearns,Daniel: 31 Stebbins,Abner: 18,23 Stebbins,David; 14 Stebbins,John: 1 "" ,Jotham: 14,18,21,23 "" ,Judah: 1 corporal "" ,Levi: 6 Stone,Thomas: 14,24,25 Sabin,Abner: 30 Thompson,Alpheus: 18,24,25 Thompson,Amherst: 15 "" , Asa: 19,23,31 "" , James: 2 sergt., 6 "" , Jonathan: 28 "" , John: 2 "" , Samuel: 41 "" , Solomon: 18 "" , Stephen: 14 Townsley, Adam: 1,3,corporal Townsley, Dan: 24,25 "" , Gad: 1,3,6,11,15 "" , Jacob: 6,11,18 "" , Reuben: 3 Trask,Benjamin: 2 Trask, Noah: 11 "" , William: 2 Tucker,Joseph: 1,3 Ward,Christopher: 3,24,28,31 Ward,Comfort: 5 "" ,Ebenezer: 2 "" ,Elijah: 24,28 Webber,Bradley: 23 Whitney, Gershom: 2 Witham,Joshua: 2,3 Worthington,Calvin: 3 ----------------------------- END of this listing. -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

In a message dated 12/01/2000 11:09:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwcooper@kellnet.com writes: > Subj: [CRV] Suffield, CT: Thomas COOPER and his Land after 1675 > Date: 12/01/2000 11:09:29 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: rwcooper@kellnet.com (Randal W Cooper) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com">CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Dear Subscribers to the Connecticut River Valley Mailing List, > > Can anyone help me determine what happened to Thomas COOPER's land in > Suffield, Hartford County, Connecticut, after Thomas COOPER was killed > by Indians in 1675? Thomas COOPER died 5 Oct 1675 at Springfield, > Massachusetts. > > I quote from ~Biography of a Town, Suffield, Connecticut, 1670-1970~, > Robert Hayden Alcorn, page 12: > > "...Lieutenant Thomas COOPER, one of the original five men who had > helped John PYNCHON found Suffield, was killed. COOPER had for years > been on the friendliest terms with the Indians. He spoke their language. > He had confidence in them and was certain that he could dissuade them > from overt hostility. He was fifty-eight when he gave his life for the > colony." > > According to Mr. Alcorn, Thomas COOPER had come to New England in 1635 > when he was eighteen years old. Thomas COOPER had lived some time at > Windsor, Connecticut, knew the whole region well and had the added > advantage of friendly relations with the Indians. Thomas COOPER had > moved to Springfield, Massachusetts in 1643 and built the first > meetinghouse there in 1645. Furthermore, COOPER served for seventeen > years as a Selectman in Springfield and had been a deputy to the General > Court. Thomas COOPER had proven ability and skill in town affairs. This > information is on page 6 of Alcorn's book. > > If you know where Thomas COOPER's Suffield land was located and who > farmed it after 1675, please share such information! Thank you. > > Randal W. Cooper > > > Randal, If according to custom, the land was inherited by his oldest son Timothy, here is what happened according "Beginnings; Thomas Cooper of Springfield", by Agnes Thomson Cooper and John Bradley Cooper: p.18: At this time (a. 1675) Albany passed from Dutch control to that of the English. Albany merchants under the old regime had enjoyed a complete monopoly of the fur trade. The English changed all of this, giving New York a monopoly on the foreign trade in furs and leaving Albany with but a monopoly of the fur trade with the Indians. The Albany merchants were disgruntled at this loss of a choice portion of their trade to New York and were thus not about to tolerate the intrusion of Massachusetts traders into what they considered strictly Albany territory. Cooper's private mail was temporarily withheld, examined and found to contain statements critical of the local authorities. Displeased with these criticisms, the Governor and his Council expelled Cooper from the Albany area. Exclusion from this territory resulted in the failure of the trading venture and Cooper died soon after. After Timothy's death Pynchon obtained a judgment against the estate and took possession of the home lot which he sold to Cornet John Parsons on 20 December 1679. To further satisfy the debt to Pynchon, Cooper's widow deeded her right of dower in land in Springfield, Albany and New Jersey. In 1680 she tried to recover her dower right to the property Pynchon had sold to Parsons. Her suit was unsuccessful.

Dear Members of the Connecticut River Valley Mailing List, I have received one reply so far, to my query about what happened to Thomas COOPER's land after his death in 1675. Here is the response, sent by researcher Charlotte Killian, who read the posting on the COOPER Surname Mailing List: "Randal, according to Pope in his book, ~Pioneers of Massachusetts~, Thomas COOPER's land was allowed to his widow Sarah until their son John, born 19 (3) 1659, was 21 years of age. "The book also listed other children: Timothy, born 26(2) 1644; Thomas, born 3 (5) 1646; Elizabeth, born 23 (12) 1648; Mary, born 15 (8) 1651; John, born 12 (2) 1654; Rebecca, born 15 (3) 1657; and John, born 19 (3) 1659. This was found on page 117. I do hope this is of some help." Now that we have established that Thomas COOPER's widow Sarah was allowed to keep the land until her son John COOPER reached the age of twenty-one (called "attaining one's majority"), it is now my object to trace the ownership of this tract of land from 1680 on. John COOPER would have turned twenty-one in 1680, BUT I have found in the LDS Ancestral File that John COOPER died 19 Sep 1677, at Newark, New Jersey. If this information is correct, John COOPER died at the young age of eighteen years. The purpose of this investigation is to see if Jacob COOPER and his son Judah Paddock COOPER lived on Thomas COOPER's land when they moved to Suffield, Hartford County, Connecticut from Westfield, Massachusetts, about 1821. Jacob (Isaac) COOPER and Judah Paddock COOPER were descendants of Thomas COOPER. If we succeed in identifying the various owners of Thomas COOPER's land from 1680 on, we might be able to locate Judah Paddock COOPER's Connecticut River Valley farm in the 1820's. Please note that Judah Paddock COOPER did not buy any land in Suffield, Connecticut, yet he lived and farmed in Suffield from about 1821 until his death in 1862, a period of forty-one years. If I find Judah Paddock COOPER's residence, then I will also have found his son William COOPER's boyhood home, assuming that William COOPER lived in his parents' house. Thank you for any suggestions or information on these topics! Randal W. Cooper

I always knew that the border of Mass was further north than what it is now.....I just found out in the "History of Warwick,Mass" that the border PRIOR to 1740... went as far north as Charlestown,NH and extended east to the Merricmac River. Also, between 1734-1748, several "Canada Townships" were granted to the survivors of the Expedition to Canada in 1690. Those that went, only 1 survived out of the group, the grants were given to the heirs. and those towns today are: ** Warwick,Mass ** Guildford,Vt ** Ashburnham,Mass ** Winchendon,Mass. ** Athol,Mass ** Upper Ashuelot [now Keene,NH] Those subscribers who bought the 1780 map will see these towns listed on the map like : Canada to Rowley, Canada to Salem, Canada to Dorchester, Canada to Ipswich, and so on. I have posted the names of men who were in the "Expedition to Canada,1690" and it's in the list-search for both of these lists. Cynthia listowner -- Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Lists: A subscriber has been suggesting that I post rules for the lists. -- Since these are your lists too.....I am going to give you all a chance to tell me what rules you would like to see posted. [warning...be sure you can live with them.] -- Email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com --- I will give everyone the weekend to respond and then by mid of next week, I will post the rules from suggestions that you sent me with couple of mine thrown in. Remember email me: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com Cynthia, list moderator: Ma-Bay-Colony Ct-River-Valley -- Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Frank, "cordwainer" is derived from "cordovan" -- the soft, very expensive leather from (I kid you not) the hairless insides of a horse's forelegs -- about two pairs of cordovan shoes per horsehide, which explains why they are so expensive nowadays. The leather was originally developed in Cordoba, Spain. What my dictionary says, anyway. Yrs aye, Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK" <fes@kear.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > Hey Warren-no disrespect-Thought a cordwainer was person who made ropes or > lines,mainly associated with the sea? Enlighten me please? Regards,Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Wetmore" <WebMerlin@MegsINet.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:22 PM > > Subject: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > I dimly remember reading something somewhere a couple > > > of years ago about how George Washington made a special > > > big deal out of recruiting shoe makers in the American > > > Revolution. Does anyone remember any specifics about that? > > > > > > This may be a wild idea, but I have just found on a > > > 1779 Hartford, Windsor Co., VT deed that Rowland POWELL, > > > one of my ancestors, did not travel from Lebanon, CT > > > directly to Hartford, VT as previously advertised, but > > > rather laid over at Brimfield, MA in between. And on > > > his 1779 deed at Hartford, VT he is mentioned as being a > > > "cordwainer," i.e., a maker of shoes. Also, he is > > > believed by various folks to have served in the American > > > Revolution, and he is listed as a private in the > > > Revoultion in the DAR Patriot Index. This jiggled that > > > old dusty half-memory that George Washington made > > > special efforts to get shoe makers enlisted. > > > > > > Where did I hear about the shoe maker thing? What > > > was that? > > > > It makes sense -- an army need sturdy shoes in good repair to march > > from A to B. And if the shoemakers were enlisted men, they couldn't > > charge outrageous prices. > > > > And there were no Florsheim's or PayLess stores back then -- > > and the Quartermaster Corps was very primitive, if it existed > > at all. > > > > Yrs aye, > > > > Warren Wetmore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > > List owner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

Hi: I would be interested in finding out the family for a Marry Wood that married a Nathaniel Horton bn 1724 Enfield, CT if there might be a connection here. Thanks, Ron FIrock@aol.com wrote: > > Hi List, > > I came across this information today, anyone interested, let me know: > > The Wood Family of Shelf, Halifax parish, Yorkshire, > England, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Long Island, NY > and Canada > > Casey Albert Wood: b 21 Nov 1856 > Father: Dr Orrin Cottier Wood > Mother: Rosa Leggo Wood > > Frances Elizabeth Mott > Married John Saxon Castlemean, 14 Nov 1865 > > Thomas Smith Wood: b NY 1788, and died (father Timothy Wood) > in Prince Edward Co., near Belleville, Ont, Canada 1881 > > Samuel Wood, b 1765 also son of Timothy Wood > > Terre > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Postings of the "History of Hartford VT" to the list, would be VERY welcome.....especially the land divisions !! Cynthia listowner ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Reply-To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com When you do those lookups in the "History of Hartford, VT" could you also look up the dates of "The Second Division of Hundred Acre Lots" and "The Second Division of Fifty Acre Lots"? Hartford being Hartford, Windsor Co., VT. The latter, or maybe both, might be 1779, or maybe 1776, just guessing (my guess makes no sense really, but some collateral dates so suggest). My ancestor Rowland POWELL seems to have obtained his first farm at Hartford from the above Divisions, which would date his arrival there. He got a deed in 1779, but I can't tell if that's just catch-up stuff. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) listowner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

> I guess it qualifies as genealogy and not politics, but the term does > definitely apply to shoe makers. See <http://www.thehcc.org/> for the > details. Hank An excellent example of why I love this list........... Thank you gentlemen! I've never come across my ancestors (Brooks, Pendall, Oldham) but I'm learning so much. My "brick wall" is a Thomas Brooks married to a Susanna in Bolton, CT. He was of Glastonbury CT for a time -- I've done all the easy stuff but thought I'd toss this out to see if, by chance, someone out there is as mystified as I am on this guy. Below is my web page for those interested: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~brooks/NYBROOKS.htm Sincere thanks -- Carol Reynolds

Cynthia-You are doing a great job and there are those of us out here who DO appreciate it!Thank You!.As I said before,"pay no mind,drive on by".Regards,Frank. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia" <newenglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: [CRV] Listowner speaking...sigh > List: > This isnt so.....47 have NOT unsubscribed.....Mr Stebbins > has been blocked from posting any negative statements or false > information since he already unsuscribed of his own doing. > Cynthia > listowner > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Howard A Stebbins <stebbhs@juno.com> > Reply-To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:55:54 -0500 Howard A Stebbins <stebbhs@juno.com> > writes: > unsubscribe > > > >31 before, now 47..... > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > > > > -- > > Listowner: > Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com > Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > -- > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River Valley or other mailing list > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Dear Subscribers to the Connecticut River Valley Mailing List, Can anyone help me determine what happened to Thomas COOPER's land in Suffield, Hartford County, Connecticut, after Thomas COOPER was killed by Indians in 1675? Thomas COOPER died 5 Oct 1675 at Springfield, Massachusetts. I quote from ~Biography of a Town, Suffield, Connecticut, 1670-1970~, Robert Hayden Alcorn, page 12: "...Lieutenant Thomas COOPER, one of the original five men who had helped John PYNCHON found Suffield, was killed. COOPER had for years been on the friendliest terms with the Indians. He spoke their language. He had confidence in them and was certain that he could dissuade them from overt hostility. He was fifty-eight when he gave his life for the colony." According to Mr. Alcorn, Thomas COOPER had come to New England in 1635 when he was eighteen years old. Thomas COOPER had lived some time at Windsor, Connecticut, knew the whole region well and had the added advantage of friendly relations with the Indians. Thomas COOPER had moved to Springfield, Massachusetts in 1643 and built the first meetinghouse there in 1645. Furthermore, COOPER served for seventeen years as a Selectman in Springfield and had been a deputy to the General Court. Thomas COOPER had proven ability and skill in town affairs. This information is on page 6 of Alcorn's book. If you know where Thomas COOPER's Suffield land was located and who farmed it after 1675, please share such information! Thank you. Randal W. Cooper

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I am looking for ancestor information for James Hopkins and Mary Ann McGregor who were married in Londonderry,NH about 1770-75, Three of their children were born there: Thomas N., May 4, 1776, Mary, Mar.8, 1778, and David MacGregore, Feb.16, 1780. Mary is my ancestor. She married Robert Larkin whose family also lived in Londonderry, NH. He had brothers: John Adams Larkin and William Larkin. Both families moved to Londonderry , VT. Apparently that is where Mary and Robert were married. Roberts two brothers settled in western NY at Dansville. James and Mary Ann Hopkins' finally lived at Sardenia, NY with their son Robert. I do not know who The Larkin parents were. Robert died shortly after their son, John Adams Larkin was born in Vermont. I would like to know how he died and where he is buried. Mary Hopkins Larkin married Dr. CW Chandler in 1814 and is buried in the Chandler family plot in Weston, VT. Mary and Robert's son, John Adams Larkin married Abigail Peabody in Vermont. Abigail died the same year that their daughter, Mary Abigail was born, 1833. John Adams Larkin then married Abigail's sister Dorothy Johnson Peabody. JA, Dorothy and Mary Abigail moved to Walworth Co Wisconsin Territory about 1841. Mary Abigail married John Levant DeBow and lived in the Blair ,Wisconsin area in 1865. Their daughter, Lillie Mae DeBow was my Grandmother. She married John Henry Sykes. They raised their family in Bayfield and St. Croix Falls Wisconsin. Thank you for any help you might be able to give me. Also I believe that John Adams Larkin was a shoe maker in Wisconsin. Pat Sykes Musil