Looking for the parents of James Porter. Is James Porter, mentioned in the Genealogies of Hadley, MA Families, p112, the James Porter that is mentioned in the History of Northfield, MA, on p.520 as a resident as of 1722, and who is also mentioned in the History of Charlestown, NH (Fort No. 4) p.523? A James Porter m. Experience Wright on Jan. 10, 1725, (per VR, Northfield, MA), which appears most definitely the same James Porter in the Hist. of Northfield, p520, who m. "Elizabeth (_?_)", however, his parents are not mentioned. The Genealogies of Hadley, MA Families, p112, has a James Porter, b. February 24, 1696, (son of Hezekiah who moved from Hadley, MA to East Hartford, CT, in 1707. Hezekiah Porter was son of Samuel, Jr.) Is this same James Porter in the History of Northfield? It has been suggested they are the same person. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Replies click here > mailto:PontegwaTrail@juno.com Thank you, Charles B. Wright PO Box 519, Walpole, NH 03608 PontegwaTrail@juno.com

In a message dated 12/2/00 9:02:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, CT-RIVER-VALLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > X-Message: #7 > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:44:46 -0500 > From: "Cynthia" <newenglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net> > To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-Id: <200012022044.AA279183460@mail.ccsinet.net> > Subject: [CRV] Malden,Mass: petition of 1651...part 4 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Malden,Mass 1633-1785, by Corey,1899 > page 146: > -- > Petition for Rev.Marmaduke Matthews who apparently had > put several lines into his sermons that the town fathers > did not appreciate. Those "several lines" have disappeared > so we will never know what they were but what is important > in this posting is the fact that the WIVES OF THE MEN > signed the petition and it is known as "the petition of > the Malden women" dated 28(8)1651. > > Mrs.Sergeant Sarah Bucknam > Eliz.Mirrable Joan Sprague > Thankslord Shepp'd Sarah Osbourn > Jane Learned Fran.Cooke > An Hett Eliz.Carrington > Eliz.Knoher Mary Pratt > Bridget Squire Bridget Dexter > Eliz.Green Mary Wayte > Lyda Greenland Joan Chadwick > Sarah Hills Margrt Pemberton > Margrt Green Ann Bibble > Han.Whittamore Hellen Luddington > Eliz.Green Eliz.Green > Susan Wilkinson Widow Blancher > Mary Rust Joana Call > Eliz.Adams Eliz.Grover > Margt Welding Han.Barret > Rebec.Hills > -------- > signed by Edward Rawson,secr'ty > William Torrey,cleric > > Massachusetts Colony Records,iv,(1),43 > ------- > > -- > ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com > need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com > --- > past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com > -- > Cynthia > Listowner: > Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com > Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com > Hi Group! Thanks for the posting, Cynthia! I too am a descendent of Thanks The Lord Shephard. I descend from her daughter, Trial and her husband, Walter POWERS. I continue to add this info to my files. I think this is a great list(aside from the commentaries)! It is one of the most active one that I belong too. Keep up the good work, Cynthia! Later, Liz Tattersall My Surname Interests: BICKFORD, CALLANDAR, GOCKE, GREENOUGH, HADLEY, HALL, HEATON, JORDAN, LUCAS, MERRILL, NARIKE, POWERS, SWEET, SCHUMITZ, TATTERSALL, WALKER, WHITEHOUSE

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > Actually, the Hartford, VT deed said that Rowland Powell > was a "cordwinder," but you must know how literate the > Windsor Co., VT town clerks were -- NOT! It depends on how they pronounced it. Some modern-day English would say "cord-whiner" and that may also have been the pronunciation back then in Windsor Co. The clerk, not having a spell-checker, probably wrote it as he heard it. Yrs aye, Warren

Thanks for the suggestion. The PELTON family, starting with John PELTON, (1709-1786) who married Elizabeth CHAMPION (1709-1755) (daughter of Thomas), had 9 children. I know that at least 3 of the children, Nathan, Ithamar and John all served in the Revolutionary War, while Josiah (my 4th great grandfather) stayed home and took care of his father. I am trying to prove that Josiah was active in the war. Ithamar owned privateer ships and Josiah was a shipbuilder. I'm also looking for any info on a PELTON Plantation. These folks lived around Lyme, Saybrook, Killingworth from around 1709 until 1790's when Josiah moved to VT then to OH. Other names possibly associated with this family are Lemuel STORRS, BREED, and KELLEY (of East Haddam or East Hampton). As for the BURNHAM's. All I know is that Minerva BURNHAM was born in NY (or CT?) in about 1812 to Reuben BURNHAM and ?. This is all I know. I've found a Reuben Burnham in Genessee County land records for 1820 and 1830 but nothing else. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Susan K. Spies

Susan, Many members of this list (and the Middletown list) have resource material available other than the CD you are asking about. Tell us about the families whom you are looking for. We need more than a surname. I have a book home from the library right now that has some information on the Burnham and Pelton families in it. Any dates and town names you might have would also be helpful. In CT, all vital records were recorded in the individual towns. No county records here. Names of relatives are also helpful. Any information that will help others connect with the family at some time and place can start to bring you contact with many cousins. Many descendants of the early New England families migrated all the way to the west coast over several generation. That means many people are looking for the same family connections. You can never tell which generation of descendants will give you a connection. I got lucky with one of my lines. I knew only the birthplace and parents of one of my grandparents. Somebody recognized the family. All of a sudden I had a family line for that surname all the way back to 1640 in New York City. There are many family lines from early New England that have been well researched. With the internet, such occurrences are not impossible, but they don't happen all the time. I was lucky, none of that particular line had left the New England and Eastern Canada regions. Marilyn CT Sharing creates connections. Connections grow family trees. SKSPIES@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have this CD? I am looking for any record of a PELTON family in > Connecticut about 1700 to 1800. Would appreciate any help you can give. > Thanks for your time > > Susan K. Spies > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Conn.River Valley Genealogical research library: http://www.quadrangle.org > > http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng.His Gen Society] > Listowner: NewEnglander1621@msn.com > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

The towns of Suffield, Enfield, and Somers were all part of Springfield, MA in the 1600's. The permission for settlements to be established was granted by the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and the history of these towns was closely tied to the history of Springfield until 1749. Back in the summer of 1999 there was extensive historical and genealogical information about Springfield posted on the CRV list. The easiest way to find information on your ancestors would be to use the following search engine: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Follow the directions, using CT-RIVER-VALLEY for the name of the list and then search for a surname. There is so much material there that I can't even begin to tell you what it is. You will certainly find the names of some books you may want to explore further. FYI link to the CRV threaded archives:http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ct-river-valley Happy Hunting, Marilyn CT

Thanks to all for "Cordwainer" explanation.Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Jones" <bugler103@home.com> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > Frank: Cordwainer - Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather > from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain. You can find a list of old job titles at my > web site at http://www.geocities.com/bugler103/occu.html > > > Fred Jones > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FRANK <fes@kear.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > Hey Warren-no disrespect-Thought a cordwainer was person who made ropes or > > lines,mainly associated with the sea? Enlighten me please? Regards,Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren Wetmore" <WebMerlin@MegsINet.net> > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> > > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:22 PM > > > Subject: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > > > > I dimly remember reading something somewhere a couple > > > > of years ago about how George Washington made a special > > > > big deal out of recruiting shoe makers in the American > > > > Revolution. Does anyone remember any specifics about that? > > > > > > > > This may be a wild idea, but I have just found on a > > > > 1779 Hartford, Windsor Co., VT deed that Rowland POWELL, > > > > one of my ancestors, did not travel from Lebanon, CT > > > > directly to Hartford, VT as previously advertised, but > > > > rather laid over at Brimfield, MA in between. And on > > > > his 1779 deed at Hartford, VT he is mentioned as being a > > > > "cordwainer," i.e., a maker of shoes. Also, he is > > > > believed by various folks to have served in the American > > > > Revolution, and he is listed as a private in the > > > > Revoultion in the DAR Patriot Index. This jiggled that > > > > old dusty half-memory that George Washington made > > > > special efforts to get shoe makers enlisted. > > > > > > > > Where did I hear about the shoe maker thing? What > > > > was that? > > > > > > It makes sense -- an army need sturdy shoes in good repair to march > > > from A to B. And if the shoemakers were enlisted men, they couldn't > > > charge outrageous prices. > > > > > > And there were no Florsheim's or PayLess stores back then -- > > > and the Quartermaster Corps was very primitive, if it existed > > > at all. > > > > > > Yrs aye, > > > > > > Warren Wetmore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > > > List owner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > ============================== > > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) > listowner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Scituate was settled in 1633. What was Scituate then are part of the following towns today: Scituate,Hanover, Marshfield,and Cohasset. ------------- DEANE'S HISTORY OF SCITUATE;Samuel Deane;1831 and 1899 -- pages 153-154[1/2] -- FREEMEN FROM 1633 TO 1649 1633: William Gilson Isaac Robinson Anthony Annable Humphry Turner William Hatch Henry Cobb Samuel House 1634 James Cudworth Samuel Fuller John Cooper Henry Rowley 1635 Timothy Hatherly George Kendrick 1636 Edward Foster George Lewis Bernard Lombard 1637 John Lothrop Henry Bourne Thomas Besbedge Samuel Hinckly John Lewis 1638 Richard Sealis Edward Fitzrandle 1639 William Casely Robert Linnet John Williams Thomas Dimmack John Twisden Thomas Chambers John Hewes [the welshman] 1640 Charles Chauncy William Parker Walter Woodworth Edmund Edenden-1641 Thomas Clapp-1645 Edward Jenkins-1647 Isaac Stedman-1648 John Allen-1649 ------------------ Cynthia -- got a beef? contact me...do not post on list! usual email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Malden,Mass 1633-1785, by Corey,1899 page 146: -- Petition for Rev.Marmaduke Matthews who apparently had put several lines into his sermons that the town fathers did not appreciate. Those "several lines" have disappeared so we will never know what they were but what is important in this posting is the fact that the WIVES OF THE MEN signed the petition and it is known as "the petition of the Malden women" dated 28(8)1651. Mrs.Sergeant Sarah Bucknam Eliz.Mirrable Joan Sprague Thankslord Shepp'd Sarah Osbourn Jane Learned Fran.Cooke An Hett Eliz.Carrington Eliz.Knoher Mary Pratt Bridget Squire Bridget Dexter Eliz.Green Mary Wayte Lyda Greenland Joan Chadwick Sarah Hills Margrt Pemberton Margrt Green Ann Bibble Han.Whittamore Hellen Luddington Eliz.Green Eliz.Green Susan Wilkinson Widow Blancher Mary Rust Joana Call Eliz.Adams Eliz.Grover Margt Welding Han.Barret Rebec.Hills -------- signed by Edward Rawson,secr'ty William Torrey,cleric Massachusetts Colony Records,iv,(1),43 ------- -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Malden,Mass 1633-1785 by Corey,1899. -- "200 acres at Misticside" set aside for the New settlers from England who arrived in 1640" -- page: 76 - Thomas Allen Wm Seargeant Tho: Martin Abra: Hill Robt Leech Walter Pope Child Gaudy James Tho:Weilder Alexandr Field goo. [Jn]Whitman Mr.[Robt}Cooke Ralph Woorie Michal Long Wm Phillips Bro: [Jn]Baker,ye tailor Bro: Robinson Tho: Gould Wm.Stitson[Stilson] Jn.Pentecost Edward Wood Goo: [Tho:]French Goo:[Wm] Smith Taylor Jn.Seer Richard Lowden Tho: Graves John Allen Manus Jackson John Martin Isack Cole Robt Nash goo: Jn.March mr.Richard Russell Fra: Willoughby goo: Edward larkin Augustine Walker -------- Charlestown archives,xx,93,94 ---- Cynthia -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Cynthia, That's great! TWO WIVES are my direct ancestors. 1. Thankslord Shepp'd is on my father's paternal line. 2. Mary Rust is on my mothers paternal line. One difference I have is that Thankslord Shepp'd name is Thank Ye the LORD. LORD is her maiden name. My husband descends from her brother. I am not really pursuing either of these lines at the moment but it is still great to see a familiar name amongst the lists. Thanks, Marla

Joan: KNOCK IT OFF.......this subject has been discussed and OVER WITH .....this is your final warning..... Cynthia listowner ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "joan gass" <its@frontiernet.net> Reply-To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:10:52 -0500 why isn't ed thrown off the list, you kicked maureen off, he any better than her. subsciber ----- Original Message ----- > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (on first page,put in box: Ct-River-Valley > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib.for Ct-River-Valley area) > listowner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== List your sources when giving information http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl http://www.quadrangle.org (Conn River Valley Gen.Library) http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [Allen county library] http://www.nehgs.org [New Eng His.Genealogical Society] List owner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/ -- ususal email: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net have ? email me at: suggestions_questions@yahoo.com need lookup ? email: LookUpsNE@hotmail.com --- past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- Cynthia Listowner: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com MaNorfol-L@rootsweb.com Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com --

Does anyone have this CD? I am looking for any record of a PELTON family in Connecticut about 1700 to 1800. Would appreciate any help you can give. Thanks for your time Susan K. Spies

Does anyone have this CD? I am looking for any record of a Minerva BURNHAM or Reuben BURNHAM. Would appreciate any help you can give. Thanks for your time. Susan K. Spies

Frank: Cordwainer - Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain. You can find a list of old job titles at my web site at http://www.geocities.com/bugler103/occu.html Fred Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: FRANK <fes@kear.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > Hey Warren-no disrespect-Thought a cordwainer was person who made ropes or > lines,mainly associated with the sea? Enlighten me please? Regards,Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Wetmore" <WebMerlin@MegsINet.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:22 PM > > Subject: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > I dimly remember reading something somewhere a couple > > > of years ago about how George Washington made a special > > > big deal out of recruiting shoe makers in the American > > > Revolution. Does anyone remember any specifics about that? > > > > > > This may be a wild idea, but I have just found on a > > > 1779 Hartford, Windsor Co., VT deed that Rowland POWELL, > > > one of my ancestors, did not travel from Lebanon, CT > > > directly to Hartford, VT as previously advertised, but > > > rather laid over at Brimfield, MA in between. And on > > > his 1779 deed at Hartford, VT he is mentioned as being a > > > "cordwainer," i.e., a maker of shoes. Also, he is > > > believed by various folks to have served in the American > > > Revolution, and he is listed as a private in the > > > Revoultion in the DAR Patriot Index. This jiggled that > > > old dusty half-memory that George Washington made > > > special efforts to get shoe makers enlisted. > > > > > > Where did I hear about the shoe maker thing? What > > > was that? > > > > It makes sense -- an army need sturdy shoes in good repair to march > > from A to B. And if the shoemakers were enlisted men, they couldn't > > charge outrageous prices. > > > > And there were no Florsheim's or PayLess stores back then -- > > and the Quartermaster Corps was very primitive, if it existed > > at all. > > > > Yrs aye, > > > > Warren Wetmore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > > List owner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

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Cynthia suggested that I send this along. It's deadly serious -- the new HYBRIS "worm" seems to be running amuck among genealogy list members. It sends copies of itself to everyone in your address book. Even more sinister, it downloads encrypted new "plug ins" from a newsgroup -- changing its behavior, which means its author is controlling it and probably making countermoves to antivirus efforts -- and could easily turn it into a destructive virus. If you've received messages about "Snowhite" from "Hahaha" then you've been targeted. I've gotten TEN of the puppies, three of them from members of lists. (The others may also be from members who put my addy in their address books.) Sender: Hahaha Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Message: Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter... (The misspellings and phraseology suggest that English is not the author's mother tongue.) The attachments I've received are called Midgets.scr (screen savers are ACTIVE code -- something I didn't know -- McAfee VShield saved my posterior), Sexy virgin.scr Dwarf4you.exe Joke.exe Others are branca de neve.scr anao porno.scr atchim.exe Since they're all the same size (23 k) I expect it's the same nasty payload with different names. Apparently it can infect even .ZIP files -- that's scary to me, since I have several hundred on my hard drive. News:alt.comp.virus is running over with discussions of HYBRIS. You can find more info at http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98873& http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hybris.gen.html http://www.viruslist.com/eng/viruslist.asp?id=4112&key=00001000130000100044 http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32hybrisb.html The thing we need to bear in mind most of all is never, NEVER, N*E*V*E*R activate the attachment on an email from someone you don't know. And even if you know the person, some worms will use his or her name in the From field -- if you're not expecting an attachment, query first before opening it. And ask why you were sent an executable (.EXE or other) attachment. And please keep your antivirus software up to date. I had updated mine just before this spate of attacks hit. Finally, I got bounced from NewBrunswick-L for posting this. No good deed goes unpunished. Eh, Jason? Yrs aye, Warren Wetmore

Actually, the Hartford, VT deed said that Rowland Powell was a "cordwinder," but you must know how literate the Windsor Co., VT town clerks were -- NOT! Show me a Vermont town clerk who can write and spell, and I'll show you a miracle. I assume "cordwainer" was meant. I.e., a shoemaker. The story I'm trying to bring back to memory had something to do with General George Washington recruiting shoemakers for his army, maybe paying bounties for them to bounty hunters, or something like that. There was money involved in the story somehow. Did General Washington pay bounty hunters so many shillings per head for shoemakers? Did he argue with the budget makers in Congress about this? The story I heard a year or so ago had something to do with that sort of thing. But, what was that story? I was heading out to the library today to try to find an answer, when my pants suddenly disintegrated. My last pair of pants too. So, instead, I had to put on a very long overcoat and go stand in a very long line at a clothing store (our ancestors would have said "traffick with the draper"). Once back home and ensconced into my new pants, with the library closed by then, I looked up "shoe" in the index to my "Everyday Life..." books for early America and found that shoes were rarer back then, in the 1700s, than I had thought. A lot of folks just went barefoot, except in the winter. Thus, maybe, an ancestral shoemaker may have been a classy guy to have around. OK. But, what was General Washington's quest for shoes all about? And how did he do it? Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

And to continue from another angle. Suffield was a part of Massachusetts Bay Colony until 1749. Randal, according to the same book by Alcorn from which you have been quoting, Suffield was originally a part of Springfield and known as the Plantation at Stoney Brooke. It was about 1670 that John Pynchon an the other original settlers were granted the land to establish the settlement. The first town government of Suffield with a Selectman and Clerk was established in 1681. That was when the town started to keep records. My guess is that you will find the information you need in the Springfield, MA records and the Springfield area court records for that time. At least, that is where I would start looking forward for them. You may even find the information in books on the early history of Springfield. Marilyn CT > > Dear Subscribers to the Connecticut River Valley Mailing List, > > > > Can anyone help me determine what happened to Thomas COOPER's land in > > Suffield, Hartford County, Connecticut, after Thomas COOPER was killed > > by Indians in 1675? Thomas COOPER died 5 Oct 1675 at Springfield, > > Massachusetts. > > > > I quote from ~Biography of a Town, Suffield, Connecticut, 1670-1970~, > > Robert Hayden Alcorn, page 12: > > > > "...Lieutenant Thomas COOPER, one of the original five men who had > > helped John PYNCHON found Suffield, was killed. COOPER had for years > > been on the friendliest terms with the Indians. He spoke their language. > > He had confidence in them and was certain that he could dissuade them > > from overt hostility. He was fifty-eight when he gave his life for the > > colony." > > > > According to Mr. Alcorn, Thomas COOPER had come to New England in 1635 > > when he was eighteen years old. Thomas COOPER had lived some time at > > Windsor, Connecticut, knew the whole region well and had the added > > advantage of friendly relations with the Indians. Thomas COOPER had > > moved to Springfield, Massachusetts in 1643 and built the first > > meetinghouse there in 1645. Furthermore, COOPER served for seventeen > > years as a Selectman in Springfield and had been a deputy to the General > > Court. Thomas COOPER had proven ability and skill in town affairs. This > > information is on page 6 of Alcorn's book. > > > > If you know where Thomas COOPER's Suffield land was located and who > > farmed it after 1675, please share such information! Thank you. > > > > Randal W. Cooper > > > > > > > > Randal, If according to custom, the land was inherited by his oldest son > Timothy, here is what happened according "Beginnings; Thomas Cooper of > Springfield", by Agnes Thomson Cooper and John Bradley Cooper: > > p.18: At this time (a. 1675) Albany passed from Dutch control to that of > the English. Albany merchants under the old regime had enjoyed a complete > monopoly of the fur trade. The English changed all of this, giving New York > a monopoly on the foreign trade in furs and leaving Albany with but a > monopoly of the fur trade with the Indians. The Albany merchants were > disgruntled at this loss of a choice portion of their trade to New York and > were thus not about to tolerate the intrusion of Massachusetts traders into > what they considered strictly Albany territory. Cooper's private mail was > temporarily withheld, examined and found to contain statements critical of > the local authorities. Displeased with these criticisms, the Governor and > his Council expelled Cooper from the Albany area. Exclusion from this > territory resulted in the failure of the trading venture and Cooper died soon > after. > > After Timothy's death Pynchon obtained a judgment against the estate and took > possession of the home lot which he sold to Cornet John Parsons on 20 > December 1679. To further satisfy the debt to Pynchon, Cooper's widow deeded > her right of dower in land in Springfield, Albany and New Jersey. In 1680 > she tried to recover her dower right to the property Pynchon had sold to > Parsons. Her suit was unsuccessful. >

Thank You. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Wetmore" <WebMerlin@MegsINet.net> To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > Frank, "cordwainer" is derived from "cordovan" -- the soft, very expensive leather from (I kid you not) the hairless insides of a horse's forelegs -- about two pairs of cordovan shoes per horsehide, which explains why they are so expensive nowadays. The leather was originally developed in Cordoba, Spain. > > What my dictionary says, anyway. > > Yrs aye, > > Warren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRANK" <fes@kear.net> > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > Hey Warren-no disrespect-Thought a cordwainer was person who made ropes or > > lines,mainly associated with the sea? Enlighten me please? Regards,Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren Wetmore" <WebMerlin@MegsINet.net> > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> > > > To: <CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:22 PM > > > Subject: [CRV] Shoe makers in Am. Revolution > > > > > > > > > > I dimly remember reading something somewhere a couple > > > > of years ago about how George Washington made a special > > > > big deal out of recruiting shoe makers in the American > > > > Revolution. Does anyone remember any specifics about that? > > > > > > > > This may be a wild idea, but I have just found on a > > > > 1779 Hartford, Windsor Co., VT deed that Rowland POWELL, > > > > one of my ancestors, did not travel from Lebanon, CT > > > > directly to Hartford, VT as previously advertised, but > > > > rather laid over at Brimfield, MA in between. And on > > > > his 1779 deed at Hartford, VT he is mentioned as being a > > > > "cordwainer," i.e., a maker of shoes. Also, he is > > > > believed by various folks to have served in the American > > > > Revolution, and he is listed as a private in the > > > > Revoultion in the DAR Patriot Index. This jiggled that > > > > old dusty half-memory that George Washington made > > > > special efforts to get shoe makers enlisted. > > > > > > > > Where did I hear about the shoe maker thing? What > > > > was that? > > > > > > It makes sense -- an army need sturdy shoes in good repair to march > > > from A to B. And if the shoemakers were enlisted men, they couldn't > > > charge outrageous prices. > > > > > > And there were no Florsheim's or PayLess stores back then -- > > > and the Quartermaster Corps was very primitive, if it existed > > > at all. > > > > > > Yrs aye, > > > > > > Warren Wetmore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > http://www.quadrangle.org [CRV musuem and genealogy library] > > > List owner: NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > > This list covers genealogy and history of The Connecticut River Valley > > Accuracy is important--double check your spelling and dates . > > Got information to share-----share them.....list sources > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Ct-River-Valley area) > > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [research lib in Indiana] > > listowner; NewEnglander1620@mail.ccsinet.net > > > > ============================== > > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > > > > > ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ...type in Ct-River Valley or other mailing list > http://www.acpl.lib.in.us [large genealogy library in Indiana] > > http://www.quadrangle.org (genealogical lib for Conn River area) > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >