Hi, All the answers to your questions are on the Mormon Microfilm Nos. 1597596 through 1597601. You should order the first film to get the chart numbers of your ancestors and then you can order the ones that deal with them later. There is lots of biographical information on these films of my research from the mid-1960's onward. If you live near York, PA, you can see the originals (with the Index to them) in the York County Historical Society Library. Included are family letters and pictures that I received from my correspondents and all of my research into census, deeds, court, probate, histories, etc. on all of the families. Many of these records are on the individual charts to whom they pertain, but others are on the last film of the series along with those persons whom I could not place with their correct families. See my other message posted on this List today which tell you of the two articles that I have written on this family that have been published in the magazine of the Pennsylvania Genealogical Society. Another of my articles about the old KRUMREIN house in Carroll Co., MD appeared in the Carroll Co., MD Historical Society magazine the CARROLLTONIAN in their Dec., 1991 issue. Mrs. Clay's book is a great help for those CRUMRINEs who fit into her lineage and you will want to contact here for information on the book. You might also want to contact Gale D. Crumrine whose address I can give you if you contact me personally at my E-Mail address. He has written a number of books on this family. I don't have his E-Mail address, but perhaps someone else on this List can give it to you. For those of you who are descendants of Hans Michael KRUMREIN who came to this country in 1732 from Jungholzhausen, Wuerrtemberg in what is now Germany, there are records of him and his descendants also on those Mormon microfilms of my records....also of other KRUMREIN immigrants down to 1900 who came to this country. Please keep in mind that, when my records were filmed by the Family History Library in Utah, the whereabouts of our ancestor Georg Lenhardt KRUMREIN from 1748 to 1766 were not yet known and I was not willing to accept the immigrant of 1748 as our ancestor without that information. So those records do not accept that this was our ancestor. Then, in 1993, Nancy Knight of San Diego, CA (herself not a CRUMRINE descendant, but knowing that we were looking for earlier records of him and while searching for her German ancestor) found our Georg in New Jersey and told us about it. That solved the problem and so I wrote my second article for the PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY to bring everyone up-to-date on it. Because I no longer have my CRUMRINE records and cannot rely upon my memory to remember all of the persons therein, please do not write and ask me for information on your ancestor. A message to this List and to other CRUMRINE/KRUMRINE researchers and the microfilms described here will most likely answer your questions. Good hunting!!! Dolores