Hello to the list. I have not posted here in awhile, but wanted you all to know that it has become clear that not all US and Canadian Crumps are descended from Sgt. Thomas Crump of Jamestown. I have been promoting this idea for awhile now, but now there is compelling evidence. In 1735 a James Crump of Dublin wrote a will naming four sons and two daughters. The sons were John, Patrick, Nicholas, and Adam. The daughters were Jane and Mary. Adam ended up in Maryland and then Virginia. His descendants are well known. John is something of a mystery, and the name "John" is difficult to follow, but there was a John Crump who is listed as a "Captian" in the Irish military in the 1700's, and died in the 1760's or so in Dublin. Patrick ended up being the Master of the ship Tryal (and was also known as Capt. Crump) that traveled from the colonies to Dublin in 1738. Nicholas has not yet been found. This family has been traced through co. Meath in Ireland from at least 1521 through the very early 1700's. It is clearly the same family. Before that, Crumps were found in Ireland from 1224 until the late 1800's. The specific location was in Marshallstown (also called Crumpstown - even today) in what was then the parish of Scurlockstown in the barony of Deece in co. Meath. For example, Robert Crump was sheriff of co. Kildare (southwest of Dublin, and immediately south of the location mentioned above) in 1224. Richard Crump was in co. Louth (just north of Dublin in the following generation in 1252). Crumps are found in other parts of Ireland beginning in 1308, and during the period 1308 through 1312 at least fourteen Crumps are found in Ireland, many in co. Tipperary (southwest of so. Kildare). To be sheriff then, he had to be in with the "powers that be", as we say today. These very early Crumps were Roman Catholic, and were what is known today as "Old English". The Old English were descendants of the original Norman Invaders who took over Ireland in the very early 1170's. They married Irish women, and over the generations adopted the religion. When King James II of England was ousted in 1688, he made one attempt to retain his crown by recruiting the Irish and French to help him. They were defeated in the Battle of Boyne in 1689-90 (at the River Boyne north of Dublin in Ireland). William III was King of England (and Ireland), and to get back at those who opposed him, he confiscated their land and redistributed it to those who supported him. Adam Crump's family was one of those. Those adhereants to James II are known today as "Jacobites" (latin for James - Jacobius). There ware trials in the 1690's in which William Crump was one of many convicted of adhering to James II, and his land was confiscated. His sons, Adam and Richard claimed that they were just junior members of the family, and should not be involved. But the trustees objected, and they lost the land they got from their father. William died in Dublin in 1707. I think another brother to Adam and Richard (or possibly a son to one of them) was James, father to the Adam that is my known ancestor. He was a merchant in Dublin. This is my weakest link, but I am convinced that this is the same family. So, although I still believe that Crump was originally an English name, it does not mean that our ancestors came from England. I am personally convinced that my own ancestors were these early Irish Crumps, who ended up migrating to America and Canada until the 1890's. Regards to the list. Comments appreciated. Ed in Louisiana.