Hi Vearl. I remember this problem with Nancy and Trancis Tincher now. I have never been able to resolve it however. I am attaching a FGS on John Crump, son of Turner and Mary Crump. If you can, verify that I have the right man. Also read the comments about children under Elizabeth Byrd, one of John's wives. I am beginning to think I am wrong about his two marriages. Any proof that you have about the marriage of Mr Tincher and Nancy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Fred 3 Jun 2007 Family Group Sheet Husband: JOHN CRUMP Born: 23 JAN 1783 in: FAIRFAX CO VA Died: 1850-1860 in: KENTUCKY 1 Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: 2 Father: TURNER CRUMP Mother: MARY HALLEY 1850 CENSUS CLARKE COUNTY,KY SHOWS MALINDA ROBERT,38, AS POSSIBLE SECOND WIFE. CHILDREN LISTED AS SHOWN. JOHN WAS KNOWN AS 'CAPTAIN' JOHN CRUMP. HE WAS NOT LISTED IN THE 1860 CENSUS.JOHN MAY HAVE MARRIED THREE TIMES. Wife: ELIZABETH BEVERLY FAIRFAX BYRD Married: CA 1804 in: VIRGINIA Born: CA 1782 in: VIRGINIA Died: BEF 1840 in: Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: Father: Mother: RELATED TO ADMIRAL RICHARD EVELYN BYRD,AND HIS BROTHER HARRY FLOOD BYRD,WHO WAS A US SENATOR AND GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA. ALL ARE DECENDANTS OF POCAHONTAS. OTHER CH? : MARY CA 1805; (m FRANCIS TINCHER). LUCINDA MARIE; NANCY CA 1809; ELIZABETH CA 1811; AND MAHALIA CA 1812. REF: VRS1931@AOL.COM. M Child 1 JOHN ROSSER CRUMP Born: CA 1805 in: FAIRFAX COUNTY VA Died: BEF 1860 in: FAIRFAX COUNTY VA Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: 3 Spouse: KAREN APPICK HARDY LEE b. CA JAN 1824 d. 22 JUL 1904 Married: CA 1850 in: ARLINGTON COUNTY VA MARRIED,CA 1850,KERN APPICK HARDY LEE. 1860 CENSUS ARLINGTON COUNTY VA, Pg 105 LISTS WIDOW AND THREE CHILDREN, NO HUSBAND SIGNS. NOTE: SPOUSE'S PROPER NAME MAY BE "KARENHAPPUCH" FOUND FREQUENTLY IN COLONIAL VIRGINIA. Wife: MALINDA ROBERTS Married: 08 FEB 1830 in: GREENUP COUNTY KY his age: 47 Born: CA 1815 in: KENTUCKY Died: AFT 1870 in: KENTUCKY 4 Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: Father: Mother: REF:1850, 1860 AND 1870 CENSUS, GREENUP CO KY. F Child 1 MARY A CRUMP Born: CA 1832 in: KENTUCKY 5 Died: in: Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: LISTED AS AGE 24 (b 1836) IN 1860 CENSUS. F Child 2 TERESA CRUMP Born: CA 1833 in: KENTUCKY 6 Died: in: Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: Spouse: AMBROSE G HUNT Married: 21 OCT 1857 in: GREENUP CO KY LISTED AGE 17 IN 1850 CENSUS. M Child 3 WILLIAM F CRUMP died at age: 44 Born: CA 1836 in: KENTUCKY 7 Died: AF 1880 in: GREENUP COUNTY KY 8 Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: Spouse: NANCY HUNT b. CA 1842 d. BF 1880 Married: 20 OCT 1857 in: GREENUP COUNTY KY MAY BE HE, M2, 25 SEP 1884, VERLINDA D HARDING, GREENUP CO KY. ALSO IN 1860 HH: HOCKLEY,OWEN 24, b PA, HANNAH (HUNT) 22, b KY, m 30 JUN 1860 SISTER TO NANCY HUNT. M Child 4 THOMAS JEFFERSON CRUMP died at age: 70 Born: 10 JUL 1839 in: GREENUP COUNTY KY 9 Died: AF 1910 in: BOYD CO KY 10 Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: Spouse: NANCY S BRADSHAW b. CA JUL 1843 d. AF 1910 Married: 27 JUL 1859 in: GREENUP COUNTY KY LIVED IN BOYD CO KY IN 1900, 1910 CENSUS. LISTED AGE 70 IN 1910. F Child 5 M.L. CRUMP Born: CA 1842 in: KENTUCKY 6 Died: in: Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: LISTED AGE 8 IN 1850 CENSUS. F Child 6 SARAH M CRUMP Born: CA 1845 in: KENTUCKY 6 Died: in: Ref: SEE REMARKS Occupation: PROBABLY SHE, MARRIED 19 NOV 1870, PETER HICKS, GREENUP CO KY SARAH LISTED AGE 9 IN 1850 CENSUS. 1 1850 CENSUS CLARK CO KY 2 BIBLE RECORD OF TURNER AND MARY HALLEY CRUMP. 3 1860 CENSUS ARLINGTON CO VA 4 1850, 1860, 1870 CENSUS GREENUP CO KY 5 1860 CENSUS GREENUP CO KY 6 1850 CENSUS GREENUP CO KY 7 LISTED AS AGE14 IN 1850 CENSUS. 8 1880 CENSUS GREENUP CO KY 9 LISTED AGE 12 IN 1850 CENSUS 10 1900, 1910 CENSUS BOYD CO KY