Sherri Creagh> From: crump-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: CRUMP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4> To: crump@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:02:27 -0700> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)> 2. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. (Ed Crump, Jr.)> 3. Re: Adam Crump Gallatin, TN (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)> 4. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> (SANDRA & THOMAS STEPHENS)> 5. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. (Bonnie Flythe)> 6. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> (SANDRA & THOMAS STEPHENS)> 7. Re: Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. (Bonnie Flythe)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:10:35 -0000> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1232489436.432720@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> > Author: sacreagh1> Surnames: > Classification: queries> > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> > Message Board Post:> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran across these second group of wives> > Important Note:> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:31:03 -0600> From: "Ed Crump, Jr." <edcrump@coughlinsaunders.org>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>, <crump@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <7D1A744C4B2E48F5AC6F1438981F2798@DG5H9H51>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Personally, I do NOT believe that Robert Crump who married Mary Parr was > descended from the New Kent County, VA, Crumps. In fact, I'm sure of it. > Secondly, I do NOT believe that William Crump who was father to Stephen in > the second or so generation was a son of Thomas Crump. We don't know who > this William's parents were, but certainly not Thomas and Elizabeth Buck(e).> > Over the past 70+ years many authors including Harllee in the 1930's thought > a single William of the 1640's was son of Sgt. Thomas. We now know that > there were two contemporary William Crumps and now most of us do not believe > that either was son of Sgt. Thomas.. Lots of documenation to refute it, but > NONE to support it.> > Again, just my opinion, but a number of us researchers have been working on > this for the past 15 years or so. DNA testing has definitely seperated these > two Williams.> > Thanks for your post and let me know if I can be of more assistance.> > Ed Crump, Jr. in Louisiana> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:10 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: sacreagh1> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > > across these second group of wives> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board.> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:32:46 -0000> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Adam Crump Gallatin, TN> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1232490766.437863@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> > Author: sacreagh1> Surnames: Crump,Nix,Crumley,Creagh> Classification: queries> > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/688.1/mb.ashx> > Message Board Post:> > Have Stephen (1655-1700)> Rolen (1808-1901)> Names alot of times run in a family line. These were from VA,AL,and GA. Started in New Kent Co. VA. If I can help let me know. > > sacreagh@hotmail.com> > Important Note:> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:18:22 -0800 (PST)> From: SANDRA & THOMAS STEPHENS <twssls@flash.net>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: crump@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <172182.53431.qm@web83501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > I agree with Ed.? And from what I have seen, Robert was married to (1) Alice Walker, and (2) Elizabeth Anderson.? My husband is descended from Joseph, Jr.> ?> Sandra> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Ed Crump, Jr. <edcrump@coughlinsaunders.org> wrote:> > From: Ed Crump, Jr. <edcrump@coughlinsaunders.org>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, crump@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 4:31 PM> > Personally, I do NOT believe that Robert Crump who married Mary Parr was > descended from the New Kent County, VA, Crumps. In fact, I'm sure of it. > Secondly, I do NOT believe that William Crump who was father to Stephen in > the second or so generation was a son of Thomas Crump. We don't know who > this William's parents were, but certainly not Thomas and Elizabeth> Buck(e).> > Over the past 70+ years many authors including Harllee in the 1930's> thought > a single William of the 1640's was son of Sgt. Thomas. We now know that > there were two contemporary William Crumps and now most of us do not believe > that either was son of Sgt. Thomas.. Lots of documenation to refute it, but > NONE to support it.> > Again, just my opinion, but a number of us researchers have been working on > this for the past 15 years or so. DNA testing has definitely seperated these > two Williams.> > Thanks for your post and let me know if I can be of more assistance.> > Ed Crump, Jr. in Louisiana> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:10 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: sacreagh1> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > > across these second group of wives> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board.> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:11:31 -0500> From: "Bonnie Flythe" <fly1776@rcn.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>, <crump@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <801E20BA4401472AA58095271053303F@DELLDESKTOP>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > I think Ed is right. I have the text of Robert's will and he did not > mention a son John. His sons were Christian, Robert, Josiah, Anderson, > Richard and Thomas. My ancestor was Josias Crump of Northampton Co., NC, > son of Joseph and brother of Robert. Robert's will was dated 1801, but > apparently not finally probated until 1805. At that time it was contested > by "some of the relatives of the said Crump, James(?) Garnett and others, > but the court decided that the will was valid.> Hope this helps.> Bonnie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:10 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: sacreagh1> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > > across these second group of wives> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board.> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:15:30 -0800 (PST)> From: SANDRA & THOMAS STEPHENS <twssls@flash.net>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: crump@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <184675.12137.qm@web83502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > Bonnie, was the son Christian or Christopher?? I had Christopher.? Also, I had Josiah as brother of Robert - was the correct spelling Josias?> ?> Thanks,> Sandra> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bonnie Flythe <fly1776@rcn.com> wrote:> > From: Bonnie Flythe <fly1776@rcn.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, crump@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 6:11 PM> > I think Ed is right. I have the text of Robert's will and he did not > mention a son John. His sons were Christian, Robert, Josiah, Anderson, > Richard and Thomas. My ancestor was Josias Crump of Northampton Co., NC, > son of Joseph and brother of Robert. Robert's will was dated 1801, but > apparently not finally probated until 1805. At that time it was contested > by "some of the relatives of the said Crump, James(?) Garnett and others, > but the court decided that the will was valid.> Hope this helps.> Bonnie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:10 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: sacreagh1> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > > across these second group of wives> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board.> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:37:28 -0500> From: "Bonnie Flythe" <fly1776@rcn.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: <twssls@flash.net>, <crump@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <487E4BB0D6D7474DACC1A16AC3F7C878@DELLDESKTOP>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > The will has Christian (typescript) and the land tax lists have Christian, > Christopher, and Chr ! The name hints at a possible relationship with the > Christian family of NK, but I have not found any proof. I guess we get to > pick!> Likewise, Josiah is also called Josias, Jesse and even Jonas in Northampton. > At least, I have always thought that the appearance of a Jonas Crump and a > Jesse Crump did not represent two other men especially in the context. > Spelling in those days was pretty flexible!> I just use whatever spelling appears when I am abstracting documents.> Bonnie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SANDRA & THOMAS STEPHENS" <twssls@flash.net>> To: <crump@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:15 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > Bonnie, was the son Christian or Christopher? I had Christopher. Also, I had > Josiah as brother of Robert - was the correct spelling Josias?> > Thanks,> Sandra> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bonnie Flythe <fly1776@rcn.com> wrote:> > From: Bonnie Flythe <fly1776@rcn.com>> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, crump@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 6:11 PM> > I think Ed is right. I have the text of Robert's will and he did not> mention a son John. His sons were Christian, Robert, Josiah, Anderson,> Richard and Thomas. My ancestor was Josias Crump of Northampton Co., NC,> son of Joseph and brother of Robert. Robert's will was dated 1801, but> apparently not finally probated until 1805. At that time it was contested> by "some of the relatives of the said Crump, James(?) Garnett and others,> but the court decided that the will was valid.> Hope this helps.> Bonnie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:10 PM> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA.> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: sacreagh1> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads> > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right> > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I> > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr> > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are> > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran> > across these second group of wives> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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