This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SandraStephens50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/719.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John, what were the names of Richard's sons? Have you discarded the Havilah theory completely? What made people think he was Richard's father in the first place, do you know? I am an avid Crump researcher and would like to help with your problem if I can! Sandra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.