Can anyone help Bobbie? Subject: Crump from Jamestown, VA Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:53:58 -0400 From: "Crump, Bobbie" <[email protected]> To: "'Constance M. Diamond'" <[email protected]> I am going to England in December and am hopeful that I will get a chance to do a little research into the Crump ancestors over there. Does anyone know [beyond mere conjecture, that is] where Sgt. Crump came from in England? I know that Rev. Buck was from Wymondham in Norfolk, England, but have not seen anything on the Sargeant. Thanks for any help you can giv eme. Bobbie

Hi Constance, You note has me very curious. I know of two Crump weddings in New York: my parents and my grandparents. But the third....? Could you please send me the records you found? Thanks! Jeff Crump [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Constance M. Diamond <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMP] North American Vital Records > Hi Mary Alice, > > CRUMP, Samuel Edwin Birth Sex: Male > Birth Date: 30 Oct 1855 > Recorded in: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts > Father: Samuel CRUMP Mother: Emeline > Source: FHL Number 14766+ Dates: 1715-1862 > > CRUMP, Birth (No given name) Sex: Female > Birth Date: 16 Apr 1858 > Recorded in: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts > Father: Samuel CRUMP Mother: Emeline WAGER > Source: FHL Number 14766+ Dates: 1715-1862 > > CRUMP, Willy Walter Birth Sex: Male > Christening Date: 31 Oct 1869 > Recorded in: Trinity Church, Potsdam, St Lawrence, New York > Father: CRUMP > Source: FHL Number 1304694 Dates: 1834-1885 > > There were no marriages listed for the three people you ask for. There were > only three marriages in New York for Crump. And no marriages for Michigan for > Crump. And only one birth for Michigan for a Joseph Crump in St Clair Co.. > > I hope these are who you were looking for. > > Constance > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > My CRUMP's are: Samuel CRUMP/ 1837-1900/ Rousseau Owen CRUMP/ 1840-1901/ > > Walter CRUMP Sr. 1850-1925? They are all from the Pittsford NY, Monroe > > County and possibly from Bay County MI . Mary Alice [email protected] > > > ==== CRUMP Mailing List ==== > CRUMP Archive Search: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Hi Mary Alice, CRUMP, Samuel Edwin Birth Sex: Male Birth Date: 30 Oct 1855 Recorded in: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts Father: Samuel CRUMP Mother: Emeline Source: FHL Number 14766+ Dates: 1715-1862 CRUMP, Birth (No given name) Sex: Female Birth Date: 16 Apr 1858 Recorded in: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts Father: Samuel CRUMP Mother: Emeline WAGER Source: FHL Number 14766+ Dates: 1715-1862 CRUMP, Willy Walter Birth Sex: Male Christening Date: 31 Oct 1869 Recorded in: Trinity Church, Potsdam, St Lawrence, New York Father: CRUMP Source: FHL Number 1304694 Dates: 1834-1885 There were no marriages listed for the three people you ask for. There were only three marriages in New York for Crump. And no marriages for Michigan for Crump. And only one birth for Michigan for a Joseph Crump in St Clair Co.. I hope these are who you were looking for. Constance [email protected] wrote: > My CRUMP's are: Samuel CRUMP/ 1837-1900/ Rousseau Owen CRUMP/ 1840-1901/ > Walter CRUMP Sr. 1850-1925? They are all from the Pittsford NY, Monroe > County and possibly from Bay County MI . Mary Alice [email protected]

Hi Everyone, I have had so much going on in my life for the last three months I haven't had much time for genealogy. Things have now slowed down to a small roar and all most normal once again. So I am back to researching again. I now have the LDS Vital records of North America CD set. I will search these for you for your family. Please be sure to give the full name as you know it. And PLEASE do not ask me to " send me all of the Crumps in Mississippi". It isn't going to happen. There is 34 Crump births and 628 marriages on these CD's. Constance

Sherry, Otis is not a common name like Wiliam, John, etc. like we usually see in this line. I have an Otis Crump whose father, Benjamin Franklin Crump, was born in Mississippi in 1847. Benjamin was the son of a William Crump b abt 1807 n NC, son of John Bushrod Crump, Jr. IF (big IF) this is the same Otis, then I can take his ancestory back to the late 1600's in Ireland, and, originally England! The only thing is, I show my Otis being born in 1900. His siblings were born between 1880 and 1906, so it is not impossible. I have no further info on Otis that what I say here, so do you know anything more? Benjamin Franklin Crump married in Catahoula Parish LA about 1870, and died in Jones County Texas sometime after 1900 (based solely on the presumed birthdate of Otis). Interesting that Otis had a brother Oscar. His parents liked the "O's" <G> I have more if this is a fit. I'd bet there is some relationship, however. Thanks for the message. Ed in Louisiana At 01:16 PM 04/13/2000 -0700, George Davis wrote: >I haven't feltt like I had much to contribute because I have been unable >to find much on my Crumps but a wonderful lady in Arkansas did a look up >for me so I wanted to share the obituaries of my Grandparents with you >in the hopes that I maybe able to help someone else and that if anyone >can give me any information on my family they will contact me. > >Cleveland County Herald/ March 29, 1950 >O. O. CRUMP OF KINGSLAND DIES > Otis Oliver Crump, aged 65, fireman at the Anthony-Williams sawmill >in Kingsland, died early Monday morning at is home there. > Mr. Crup had resided in Kingsland for the past 12 years after >removing there from Glenwood. He was a native of Mississippi. > Surviving are his wife, the former Miss MildredStearns ( should >have been spelled Sterns) ; four daughters, Mrs. Mattie Feizer of >Texarkana, Mrs. Ola Humble of Warren, Mrs. Dorothy Sipes of Belton, >Tex., and Miss Reba Crump of Kingsland; seven grandchildren, and four >sisters. > Funeral services for Mr. Crump were conducted Tuesday afternoon >from the Kingsland Baptist church by the Rev. Fred Mead and the ev. W.B. >Robinson. Burial was in the Kingsland cemetery. > Rufus T. Buie Funeral Home was in charge of funeral arragements. > >Cleveland County Herald/June 6, 1956 >MRS. MILDRED CRUMP IS CLAIMED BY DEATH > Mrs. Mildred Stearns (Sterns) Crump, aged 62, widow of the late O. >O. Crump and a former residet of Kingsland, died at the home of her >daughter, Mrs.Reba Nichols, in Monticello Sunday morning. > Mrs. Crup, who madeher home in Kingsland for a numberof years was a >member of the Methodist church. > Surviving, besides her daughter, are two sons ( should be 3) Auspin >( my dad which should be spelled Chrispin) of California, and H.L. Crump >of Little Rock; Two step sons Otis Crump of Waynesborogh Va. and C.M. >Crump of Fordyce ( was a son not a step-son). ; two step daughters; >Mattie Fetzer of Txarkaa and Ola Humble of Waren; her step-mother, Mrs. >Lela Stearns (Sterns) of Whitebourough, and a step-sister , Mrs. >Margaret Garner of Whiteborough. > Funeral services are to be held at the Kingsland Methodist church >at 2:30 Thursday afternoon, conducted by the Rev. Wilmer Barron. > Pallbearers,selected are. Geore Griffin, Horace Crain, Raymond >Cearley, Leo Elam. and Billy Rhodes. > Buie Funeral Home is i charge of arrangements. > >I put in corrections in brackets that I know are correct as there were >several mistakes. > Until I recieved these I did nt know my grandmother had a >step-mother or step-sister. I do not know who her mother or father were. > I did not know that my grandfather had 4 sisters and may have had >brothers and more sisters. I do not know who his parents were either. > Otis Olive Crump was born in 1884 according to his tombstone. > Mildred S. Crump was born in 1898 according to hers. > I will be very happy to pass on an information I find and would >lve to hear from anyone knowing anything at all about this family. > Thanks to a wonderul lady in Arkansas that voluteers to do lookups >I now have the information I need to order their death certificate and I >thank her with my whole heart. > >Sherry Davis >Tucson, Arizona > > > >==== CRUMP Mailing List ==== >CRUMP Archive Search: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

I haven't feltt like I had much to contribute because I have been unable to find much on my Crumps but a wonderful lady in Arkansas did a look up for me so I wanted to share the obituaries of my Grandparents with you in the hopes that I maybe able to help someone else and that if anyone can give me any information on my family they will contact me. Cleveland County Herald/ March 29, 1950 O. O. CRUMP OF KINGSLAND DIES Otis Oliver Crump, aged 65, fireman at the Anthony-Williams sawmill in Kingsland, died early Monday morning at is home there. Mr. Crup had resided in Kingsland for the past 12 years after removing there from Glenwood. He was a native of Mississippi. Surviving are his wife, the former Miss MildredStearns ( should have been spelled Sterns) ; four daughters, Mrs. Mattie Feizer of Texarkana, Mrs. Ola Humble of Warren, Mrs. Dorothy Sipes of Belton, Tex., and Miss Reba Crump of Kingsland; seven grandchildren, and four sisters. Funeral services for Mr. Crump were conducted Tuesday afternoon from the Kingsland Baptist church by the Rev. Fred Mead and the ev. W.B. Robinson. Burial was in the Kingsland cemetery. Rufus T. Buie Funeral Home was in charge of funeral arragements. Cleveland County Herald/June 6, 1956 MRS. MILDRED CRUMP IS CLAIMED BY DEATH Mrs. Mildred Stearns (Sterns) Crump, aged 62, widow of the late O. O. Crump and a former residet of Kingsland, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs.Reba Nichols, in Monticello Sunday morning. Mrs. Crup, who madeher home in Kingsland for a numberof years was a member of the Methodist church. Surviving, besides her daughter, are two sons ( should be 3) Auspin ( my dad which should be spelled Chrispin) of California, and H.L. Crump of Little Rock; Two step sons Otis Crump of Waynesborogh Va. and C.M. Crump of Fordyce ( was a son not a step-son). ; two step daughters; Mattie Fetzer of Txarkaa and Ola Humble of Waren; her step-mother, Mrs. Lela Stearns (Sterns) of Whitebourough, and a step-sister , Mrs. Margaret Garner of Whiteborough. Funeral services are to be held at the Kingsland Methodist church at 2:30 Thursday afternoon, conducted by the Rev. Wilmer Barron. Pallbearers,selected are. Geore Griffin, Horace Crain, Raymond Cearley, Leo Elam. and Billy Rhodes. Buie Funeral Home is i charge of arrangements. I put in corrections in brackets that I know are correct as there were several mistakes. Until I recieved these I did nt know my grandmother had a step-mother or step-sister. I do not know who her mother or father were. I did not know that my grandfather had 4 sisters and may have had brothers and more sisters. I do not know who his parents were either. Otis Olive Crump was born in 1884 according to his tombstone. Mildred S. Crump was born in 1898 according to hers. I will be very happy to pass on an information I find and would lve to hear from anyone knowing anything at all about this family. Thanks to a wonderul lady in Arkansas that voluteers to do lookups I now have the information I need to order their death certificate and I thank her with my whole heart. Sherry Davis Tucson, Arizona

Hi Everyone, I found the following Crumps who were given Land Patents in Minnesota. You can view and download the actual document. BLM Search: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/search.asp FORMAT: Patentee Name; State; Issue Date; Doc. Nr.; Accession or Serial Nr. CRUMP, EDWARD J.; MN; 04/01/1858; 483; MN1160__.422 CRUMP, FLORENCE A.; MN; 02/04/1905; 20293; MN3150__.482 CRUMP, JAMES MN 06/10/1858 2296 MN1190__.196 CRUMP, JAMES MN 01/15/1876 3209 MN1960__.202 CRUMP, JESSIE W MN 09/02/1872 1557 MN2620__.015 CRUMP, JESSIE W MN 09/02/1872 1558 MN2620__.016 CRUMP, THOMAS MN 05/03/1858 1363 MN1170__.034 CRUMP, THOMAS MN 05/03/1858 1363 MN1170__.035 CRUMP, WILLIAM MN 10/01/1875 3071 MN1960__.041 CRUMP, ELIZABETH MN 10/01/1875 3071 MN1960__.041 Constance

I found this in my email this morning. Can anyone help this person. They are not on the list Constance Subject: Crump surname Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:58:43 EDT From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I am looking for an Arthur Crump who may have been from the Crump family that you have listed as moving from England to Canada to Wisconsin (or New York). He was born around the 1890s in the area of Toronto, Canada. He was possibly baptized in the US. His middle name was Irving (or something spelled similiarly). Any info on this family would help. Thanks....B Kramer

Hi Everyone, The following message came through this morning on another list that I am on in reply to a query I sent. I thought it would be of help to some of those members doing research in Ontario, Canada, so I am passing it on to you. ======================= Good Morning all! Just for historical correctness, there was no Ontario before 1867. Therefore, these people listed below were not born or did not marry in Ontario, but in Quebec if it was before 1791, or in Upper Canada if it was before 1841, or in Canada-West before 1867. Cheers, and have a nice, cool, and sunny Sunday in Ontario. John. =============================== Constance

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Constance, Thanks for this information. I was not aware of it. Joan On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:22:34 -0700 "Constance M. Diamond" <[email protected]> writes: >This came through another list I am on and thought it was excellant >information to pass along to all of you. > >CEMETERY PLOTS AS LAND RECORDS >Cemetery plots, especially in public cemeteries, are also considered >land >records. You can find indexes to plot deeds in the County Recorder's >Office >of the appropriate county. These deeds are often invaluable because >the >owner of the plot may be a distant relative you didn't know about. Be >certain to check out who bought the plot. > >Constance > > > >==== CRUMP Mailing List ==== >CRUMP Archive Search: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

This came through another list I am on and thought it was excellant information to pass along to all of you. CEMETERY PLOTS AS LAND RECORDS Cemetery plots, especially in public cemeteries, are also considered land records. You can find indexes to plot deeds in the County Recorder's Office of the appropriate county. These deeds are often invaluable because the owner of the plot may be a distant relative you didn't know about. Be certain to check out who bought the plot. Constance

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Posted on: CRUMP Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/c/r/CRUMP/queries?read=4 Surname: Crump, Patrick ------------------------- I am looking for information on the children of William Walter Crump and Earl A. Crump William Walter CRUMP born 3/9/1868 in Bickerville, NY married Mary (Eva) PATRICK born 7/1/1883 in Northampton, MA. CHILDREN: Earl A. Crump B 3/27/1904 d 1/29/1984 Canton,NY Evelyn Ruth Crump, b 5/11/1908 Leverrett, MA Myrtle Hazel Crump, b 1/29/1907 Irene Crump died at age 15 Earl Crump was married 3 times and had the following children: Earl A. Crump Richard Crump Roger Crump William Crump

Hi Everyone! Communicating just continues to get easier all the time! Thanks to Tim P. and the Rootsweb staff. "GenConnect boards are now being "gatewayed" to mailing lists. When a board is gatewayed to a mailing list, every message posted to the GenConnect board will be forwarded to the corresponding mailing list. The message sent to the list will contain the URL of the specific post to allow the list subscribers to respond directly to the message. In this manner, gatewaying will enable more effective communication between the mailing lists and the GC boards." You will find the CRUMP board at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/c/r/CRUMP/queries Good Luck in your research. Constance List Administrator

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1) Do you use the internet to do your research? Or do you use your local FHC? Or both? Both 2) How long have you been doing genealogical research? 2 years 3) What state/states or countries is your reseach in? AR, NC 4) What counties for the states or countries in question #1 are you researching? AR - Scott County NC-Transylvania, Buncomb, Henderson, Jackson 5) What time period are you researching in? (for example: Colonial, pre 1850, post 1850, etc.) post-1850 6) What type of records (if I could get them) would be of interest to you in your research? (ie: Town and county histories, vital records, colonial records, Statutory registrations, passenger ships manifests, etc.) Vital Records - Census

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