I think Ed is right. I have the text of Robert's will and he did not mention a son John. His sons were Christian, Robert, Josiah, Anderson, Richard and Thomas. My ancestor was Josias Crump of Northampton Co., NC, son of Joseph and brother of Robert. Robert's will was dated 1801, but apparently not finally probated until 1805. At that time it was contested by "some of the relatives of the said Crump, James(?) Garnett and others, but the court decided that the will was valid. Hope this helps. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: sacreagh1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > across these second group of wives > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Personally, I do NOT believe that Robert Crump who married Mary Parr was descended from the New Kent County, VA, Crumps. In fact, I'm sure of it. Secondly, I do NOT believe that William Crump who was father to Stephen in the second or so generation was a son of Thomas Crump. We don't know who this William's parents were, but certainly not Thomas and Elizabeth Buck(e). Over the past 70+ years many authors including Harllee in the 1930's thought a single William of the 1640's was son of Sgt. Thomas. We now know that there were two contemporary William Crumps and now most of us do not believe that either was son of Sgt. Thomas.. Lots of documenation to refute it, but NONE to support it. Again, just my opinion, but a number of us researchers have been working on this for the past 15 years or so. DNA testing has definitely seperated these two Williams. Thanks for your post and let me know if I can be of more assistance. Ed Crump, Jr. in Louisiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: sacreagh1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > across these second group of wives > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with Ed.  And from what I have seen, Robert was married to (1) Alice Walker, and (2) Elizabeth Anderson.  My husband is descended from Joseph, Jr.   Sandra --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Ed Crump, Jr. <edcrump@coughlinsaunders.org> wrote: From: Ed Crump, Jr. <edcrump@coughlinsaunders.org> Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, crump@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 4:31 PM Personally, I do NOT believe that Robert Crump who married Mary Parr was descended from the New Kent County, VA, Crumps. In fact, I'm sure of it. Secondly, I do NOT believe that William Crump who was father to Stephen in the second or so generation was a son of Thomas Crump. We don't know who this William's parents were, but certainly not Thomas and Elizabeth Buck(e). Over the past 70+ years many authors including Harllee in the 1930's thought a single William of the 1640's was son of Sgt. Thomas. We now know that there were two contemporary William Crumps and now most of us do not believe that either was son of Sgt. Thomas.. Lots of documenation to refute it, but NONE to support it. Again, just my opinion, but a number of us researchers have been working on this for the past 15 years or so. DNA testing has definitely seperated these two Williams. Thanks for your post and let me know if I can be of more assistance. Ed Crump, Jr. in Louisiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <CRUMP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMP] Crump Families-1700's-New Kent Co. VA. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: sacreagh1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.343.346.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My crumps are from NK Co VA. My line reads > THomas,William,Stephen,Robert,Joseph,Robert,John,James,Matthew,Emma right > now. Are you knowledgeable on Joseph (M) Cassandra and their children? I > have a problem with Josephs son Robert. I have him married to Mary Parr > but have come across info stating (1)Alice Walker (2) Elizabeth also. Are > these 2 different Roberts. I thought I had my linage complete until I ran > across these second group of wives > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CRUMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: morganaam Surnames: Crump Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/688/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From a Gallatin newspaper January 1820 Sheriffs Sale - There will be sold for cash, at the Court house, in the town of Gallatin, on Saturday, the 19th of February next, all the right, title, and interest of ....Crump, Stephen Crump, Nancy Harris and Rowland Crump, Heirs of Adam Crump Dec'd to a House and three lots of ground at the lower end of Gallatin. My ancestor, John R. Crump was born about five years after this and all attempts to determine his parents have been unsuccessful. Any information on these early Crumps would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42justin Surnames: CRUMP Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/687/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LEUTY Mabel CRUMP and Ben David I photographed this tombtone in the Justin Cemetery, Justin, Denton Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. This is one of the 199,453 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vc511 Surnames: crump Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/686/mb.ashx Message Board Post: we are comming into a new year and i am still with no leads or contact with anyone about Anne Carter or Josh Carter wallace crump and anne carter were brother and sister that were in an orphane in Richmond,Va. if anyone had a great grandparent that may have known someone in that time or place that just may have known them please e-mail me ay vc511@yahoo.com. thanks to all. ms. v. crump Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdnlsn1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/685/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi everyone i have a emma crump married to my grandfather on my mothers side his name is samuel charles parker married in 1899 wednesbury staffordshire regards dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EdCrump50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/684.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dave, clearly, this is my Crump family, but I just don't show an Elizabeth in this time frame. Doesn't mean that there wasn't one as my Wm. Heldley connection a little later suggests. I am directly descended from James, son of John Bushrod Crump. One of the early problem with this line is that almost every John had a son James, and almost every James had a son John. Took me years to get all of this straight. But the daughters are a little different. During this period they didn't show up in the census information, but from everything I have researched/seen over these last fifteen years or so, I just can't find an Elizabeth that fits. I hav not researched the Hendley's at all so I cannot comment too much on that. Let me know if you find anything that suggests a close relationship. Ed Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bonedr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/684.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the prompt reply. I was following a long shot based on the 1850 Census of Stanly Co. showing my Hendleys living between the Crump Bros as well as a tree posted on Roots Web (The Truss/Ingram Family Tree) that had Elizabeth Crump b. 1803 & daughter of James Crump as my gal married to Wm Hendley. I recently was at the NC Archives here in Raleigh and had a chance to go over the estate settlement papers of James and Stephen Crump, sons of Bushrod I. They had rather extensive holdings. My Hendleys (William & sons)) were mentioned several times, so had some dealings with the Crumps. They bought some things at the estate auctions and had loans from Stephen to settled up. No bequests though. Dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EdCrump50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/684.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Uhh, I don't think so. Elizabeth, daughter of James Crump and Elizabeth Easley was born Apr 16, 1814. The only William Hendley I have in my family database married Charlotte Helen Crump. She was born in 1857, but I do not have any dates for him. You also mention that "the elder Stephen and James are sons of John Bushrod Crump, II". John Bushrod Crump, II didn't have a son names Stephen. Stephen was son of John Bushrod Crump, Sr. Unfortunately, I don't have an Elizabeth Crump born in this family within ten years either way of 1803. James b 1780 was son of John Bushrod Crump Sr. Stephen was also born to him. Daniel was son of James Crump and Betsy Easley. Stephen b 1823 was son of Stephen Crump and Nancy Easley. Yes, all of these are closely related. I believe James Sr is buried on the western side of the Uwharrie National Forest on the east side of the PeeDee River. It's a small grave yard, but I don't think there was an Elizabeth buried there. I think just John Bushrod, Sallie, James and one or two more. Ed Crump, Jr. in Louisiana Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bonedr Surnames: Crump, Hendley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/684/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William Hendley b. 1802 Montgomery Co.NC married Elizabeth b.abt 1803 NC (Said to be Crump and possibly daughter of James Crump b.1780.) 1850 Stanly Co. NC Census has my William/Eliz.Hendley living next to James Crump b.1780, Stephen Crump b.1788, Daniel Crump b.1809, Stephen Crump b.1823. The elder Stephen and James are sons of John Bushrod Crump II. All these are closely related Crumps. Is my Elizabeth Hendley b.1803 a Crump, as some say? Anybody know where James b.1780 and Stephen b.1788 are burried, or where they attended church. I suspect if My Elizabeth is a Crump she's burried with other Crumps. Any help appreciated DARendleman Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rccrump Surnames: Crump Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/683/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I dong know what the status of the Crump DNA project is , but i found out that the Family Tree DNA is having a holiday special pricing until 12/30/2008 , you would have to contact the DNA project Administrator for more information on this I just wanted to let everyone know that Family Tree DNA is offering a special pricing on some of their tests for the holidays (through 12-31-08). The 37-marker test, one of the test, we use for our DNA project, is being offered for only $119. This is a discount of $30 off the current group rate. If you have not been tested or have been thinking about it, this would be a great time to jump on board. This would be a great Christmas gift for the genealogist in the family!! The special prices expire on December 31st. thank you I think that the Crump DNA project could still have many new people that could be tested , Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am new to this list at this address. I am trying to contact Douglas B. Hill , who had many posts to this list in 2002. I am trying to gather information about Letalone, the homeplace of Richard Crump of Belona in Powhatan County. If Mr. Hill is still a member of this list could he please contact me. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: annaclarke29 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/643.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Did you find out any other information on John Crump? thanks to your research I see that I am related to him - I am Elizabeth Sarah Fullers Great Great Grandaugter, so I was interested to see how far back you have traced her side of the family. Interesting to see he was from Worcestershire as that is where we live. Anna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BVBelle Surnames: CRUMP, HART, PAXTON, GRAY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/682/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can anyone provide information on the following sisters: Mrs. Robert W. HART, Mrs. A. M. PAXTON, and Mrs. S. M. CRUMP? Mrs. HART died in Fredericksburg, Virginia, 1 March 1878; Mrs. PAXTON and Mrs. CRUMP were living in Vicksburg, Mississippi. Also living in Vicksburg was Mrs. HART'S daughter, Mrs James W. GRAY. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flygemini Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/452.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I'm not sure if you are still looking for Calvin aka Lil Man or even if I know the one you are refering too. If so he is 29 now. He does still live in Memphis. Right now in the Germantown area. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42FiveMile Surnames: CRUMP Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/681/mb.ashx Message Board Post: CRUMP Beatrice LOTER 1899 1971 I photographed this gravestone in the Five Mile Cemetery, Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 196,391 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jackitoo Surnames: Sapp, Crump Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/189.196.198.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I'm not saying you have any information incorrect because I don't really know a lot about this line...but, in Sterling Price Crump's history, are there actually 2 Josephs--7 & 8? I have the same line up to your Joseph 8. I have Thomas 1, William 2, William 3, William 4, William 5, John 6, Joseph 7, then John 8. This last John Crump was married to Anna Sapp, they produced my g-grandfather Elijah Crump in 1838. I don't know exactly where Sterling fits in but I have encountered him somewhere in my researching. Just don't know where as I was not ready for his generation yet. I'm getting close now...need to start paying more attention. Hope you can help me... Thanks. Jacki chachipup@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SandraStephens50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/614.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PLEASE, post your proof that William is Thomas' son. There are about a zillion people who would love to see that! Thank you, Sandra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rodneycrump1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.crump/585.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hey ed rodney here my e mail is rodney_crump @yahoo.com would like to update u on the info that i have or call 347)492-9793 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.