Let me once again check the book by Kerns that is available to me. I think that I have read everything possible in it already, but that was sometime ago. I have shared some of it with Truett. No, I have not researched these two Crumbley males myself. Finding the presence of all of them in that one 1820 census stimluated me look into the name Thomas, as I did not have him listed as their child. Now you mention that James is not proven! Do we need fto do some work here, or what? Oh when I think of the many times I was right there in Winchester, Va. and could have done this. But back then I was not aware of my Crumbley line. My Mason connection resided over on Back Creek, very near Apple Pie ridge and the Quaker community! Perhaps we shall get some response on all of this from others, and what documentation they may have-if there exists any! Thanks! Judy