At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. > >Well here is the problem with these twins. > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that good >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the wedding >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? > >Comments? >Ken ========== Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the "1860" census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the murder in 1858. If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before the death of Margaret's grandfather! If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, that census might help clear this up." Best regards, Doyle ______________________________________________________ Research site: http://www.dwchambers.com