well isn't this interesting? I have the full 1880 census on cds here at the house. If I can pry it loose from my wife I will try to look in it for these two Not sure it will help, but it might give some of you folks a clue. I don't have ready access to any Witzel data for 1870 so someone else will have to look in that one. Ken At 01:18 PM 4/12/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. >> >>Well here is the problem with these twins. >> >>If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and >>Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the >>children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? >> >>Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO >>somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. >>So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are >>children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that >>good here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) >>I do know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the >>wedding of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth >>Angeline Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the >>Witzel researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? >> >>Comments? >>Ken >========== >Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: > >"About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the "1860" >census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the murder >in 1858. > >If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before >the death of Margaret's grandfather! > >If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or >Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! > >I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, that >census might help clear this up." > >Best regards, Doyle > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Research site: >http://www.dwchambers.com > >