>From the 1880 census posted on Chapel & Eliza Crumley, it appears that John Crumley may be a son from a first marriage. John is listed as 14 yrs old and the wife of Chapel is Eliza age 22. Eliza couldn't be the mother of John, as Eliza was only 8 when John was born. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > Ella, I think the census info you related to Melissa (Missy) is the family > of Jesse Chapel Crumley who was the uncle of Chapel Columbus. Chapel was a > younger brother of my g grandfather Sidney Smith Crumley. Jesse Chapel was > born in Habersham Co., Ga. in 1828. Jesse Chapel was the youngest brother > of Charles Heaton Crumley (my gg grandfather). Jesse Chapel served in the > Civil War CSA and afterwards he and his family moved westard from Ga.. I > find that Jesse Chapel worked for L & N Railroad out of Nashville, Tn in > Birmingham, Al. as a boilmaker from 1888 thru 1890. Jesse died 1-28-1914. > I have been unable to determine where and where he is buried. This info > given by Ella must be of his possible second marriage as Lucianda could have > died. His first marriage was to Lucianda Stower of Habersham Co., Ga. > having four children: William (b 1848); Charles D. (b 1850); Martha (b > 1852); and Tennesse (1854). All born in Ga. According to Ella`s info, a > 50 year old Jesse married to a 22 old woman Elizabeth. Could Elizabeth > have been older than 22? The children of his first marriage could have > already been married. Regards, Truett W. Crumley, [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > The only Chappel Crumley in the whole US in 180... > > > > Census Place: Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee > > Source: FHL Film 1255245 National Archives Film T9-1245 Page 286A > > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > Chappel CRUMLEY Self M M W 50 GA > > Occ: Laborer Fa: --- Mo: --- > > Eliza CRUMLEY Wife F M W 22 VA > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA > > John CRUMLEY Son M S W 14 GA > > Occ: Farm Hand Fa: GA Mo: --- > > Mary CRUMLEY Dau F S W 3 TN > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > Emma CRUMLEY Dau F S W 1 TN > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > if that's not him, send me wife and children's names and I'll see what I > can > > find. > > > > Good luck, > > Ella > > >

It would be a good idea to check the original microfilm census to see the age for Eliza. It could be a transcription error on the part of the publisher.. The LDS 1880 census is a transcribed version. I tried to find Chappel and Eliza Crumley in Bradley Co., Tenn in 1880 on the actual microfilm but don't know the District. # for Cleveland. I'll keep looking for page 286A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Lambert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Jesse & Eliza Crumley > >From the 1880 census posted on Chapel & Eliza Crumley, it appears that John > Crumley may be a son from a first marriage. > John is listed as 14 yrs old and the wife of Chapel is Eliza age 22. > Eliza couldn't be the mother of John, as Eliza was only 8 when John was > born. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > Ella, I think the census info you related to Melissa (Missy) is the family > > of Jesse Chapel Crumley who was the uncle of Chapel Columbus. Chapel was > a > > younger brother of my g grandfather Sidney Smith Crumley. Jesse Chapel > was > > born in Habersham Co., Ga. in 1828. Jesse Chapel was the youngest brother > > of Charles Heaton Crumley (my gg grandfather). Jesse Chapel served in > the > > Civil War CSA and afterwards he and his family moved westard from Ga.. I > > find that Jesse Chapel worked for L & N Railroad out of Nashville, Tn in > > Birmingham, Al. as a boilmaker from 1888 thru 1890. Jesse died > 1-28-1914. > > I have been unable to determine where and where he is buried. This info > > given by Ella must be of his possible second marriage as Lucianda could > have > > died. His first marriage was to Lucianda Stower of Habersham Co., Ga. > > having four children: William (b 1848); Charles D. (b 1850); Martha (b > > 1852); and Tennesse (1854). All born in Ga. According to Ella`s info, a > > 50 year old Jesse married to a 22 old woman Elizabeth. Could Elizabeth > > have been older than 22? The children of his first marriage could have > > already been married. Regards, Truett W. Crumley, [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > > > > The only Chappel Crumley in the whole US in 180... > > > > > > Census Place: Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee > > > Source: FHL Film 1255245 National Archives Film T9-1245 Page > 286A > > > > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > > Chappel CRUMLEY Self M M W 50 GA > > > Occ: Laborer Fa: --- Mo: --- > > > Eliza CRUMLEY Wife F M W 22 VA > > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA > > > John CRUMLEY Son M S W 14 GA > > > Occ: Farm Hand Fa: GA Mo: --- > > > Mary CRUMLEY Dau F S W 3 TN > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > Emma CRUMLEY Dau F S W 1 TN > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > if that's not him, send me wife and children's names and I'll see what I > > can > > > find. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > Ella > > > > > >

The LDS 1880 census is a transcribed version. I looked at the actual microfilm census and the age for Eliza as wife of "Chappell" Crumley is listed as age 22. They were living in E.D.#6, Cleveland, Bradley Co., Tenn.page 286-A In addition to Chappel, Eliza, John, Mary and Emma Crumley at 323-356 directly below is: 323-357, Haywood Stoops son 9 farm hand and William H. Stoops son 7 farm hand. It appears the Stoops boys are part of Chappel's family. . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Lambert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Jesse & Eliza Crumley > >From the 1880 census posted on Chapel & Eliza Crumley, it appears that John > Crumley may be a son from a first marriage. > John is listed as 14 yrs old and the wife of Chapel is Eliza age 22. > Eliza couldn't be the mother of John, as Eliza was only 8 when John was > born. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > Ella, I think the census info you related to Melissa (Missy) is the family > > of Jesse Chapel Crumley who was the uncle of Chapel Columbus. Chapel was > a > > younger brother of my g grandfather Sidney Smith Crumley. Jesse Chapel > was > > born in Habersham Co., Ga. in 1828. Jesse Chapel was the youngest brother > > of Charles Heaton Crumley (my gg grandfather). Jesse Chapel served in > the > > Civil War CSA and afterwards he and his family moved westard from Ga.. I > > find that Jesse Chapel worked for L & N Railroad out of Nashville, Tn in > > Birmingham, Al. as a boilmaker from 1888 thru 1890. Jesse died > 1-28-1914. > > I have been unable to determine where and where he is buried. This info > > given by Ella must be of his possible second marriage as Lucianda could > have > > died. His first marriage was to Lucianda Stower of Habersham Co., Ga. > > having four children: William (b 1848); Charles D. (b 1850); Martha (b > > 1852); and Tennesse (1854). All born in Ga. According to Ella`s info, a > > 50 year old Jesse married to a 22 old woman Elizabeth. Could Elizabeth > > have been older than 22? The children of his first marriage could have > > already been married. Regards, Truett W. Crumley, [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > > > > The only Chappel Crumley in the whole US in 180... > > > > > > Census Place: Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee > > > Source: FHL Film 1255245 National Archives Film T9-1245 Page > 286A > > > > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > > Chappel CRUMLEY Self M M W 50 GA > > > Occ: Laborer Fa: --- Mo: --- > > > Eliza CRUMLEY Wife F M W 22 VA > > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA > > > John CRUMLEY Son M S W 14 GA > > > Occ: Farm Hand Fa: GA Mo: --- > > > Mary CRUMLEY Dau F S W 3 TN > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > Emma CRUMLEY Dau F S W 1 TN > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > if that's not him, send me wife and children's names and I'll see what I > > can > > > find. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > Ella > > > > > >

In reference to the census subject family. The LDS 1880 census has the Stoops boys listed as Haywood "self" 9 and William H. Stoops brother 7 but the original microfilm has them both listed as "son" directly below Chappel and Eliza's family. They may have been living separately from Chappel Crumley on the property as they are numerated separately. Chappel being at 323-356 and the Stoops boys as 323-357. I have a family in Mo. and the property is listed in my gg grfather's uncle in 1880 but my gg grfather and his uncle are listed separately next door to each other. I can only figure that my gg grfather was living in a house on the property of his uncle. God bless, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Lambert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Chappel & Eliza Crumley 1880 census > The LDS 1880 census is a transcribed version. > I looked at the actual microfilm census and the age for Eliza as wife of > "Chappell" Crumley is listed as age 22. > They were living in E.D.#6, Cleveland, Bradley Co., Tenn.page 286-A > In addition to Chappel, Eliza, John, Mary and Emma Crumley at 323-356 > directly below is: > 323-357, Haywood Stoops son 9 farm hand and William H. Stoops son 7 farm > hand. > It appears the Stoops boys are part of Chappel's family. > > . > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Lambert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:39 PM > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Jesse & Eliza Crumley > > > > >From the 1880 census posted on Chapel & Eliza Crumley, it appears that > John > > Crumley may be a son from a first marriage. > > John is listed as 14 yrs old and the wife of Chapel is Eliza age 22. > > Eliza couldn't be the mother of John, as Eliza was only 8 when John was > > born. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > > > > Ella, I think the census info you related to Melissa (Missy) is the > family > > > of Jesse Chapel Crumley who was the uncle of Chapel Columbus. Chapel > was > > a > > > younger brother of my g grandfather Sidney Smith Crumley. Jesse Chapel > > was > > > born in Habersham Co., Ga. in 1828. Jesse Chapel was the youngest > brother > > > of Charles Heaton Crumley (my gg grandfather). Jesse Chapel served in > > the > > > Civil War CSA and afterwards he and his family moved westard from Ga.. > I > > > find that Jesse Chapel worked for L & N Railroad out of Nashville, Tn in > > > Birmingham, Al. as a boilmaker from 1888 thru 1890. Jesse died > > 1-28-1914. > > > I have been unable to determine where and where he is buried. This info > > > given by Ella must be of his possible second marriage as Lucianda could > > have > > > died. His first marriage was to Lucianda Stower of Habersham Co., Ga. > > > having four children: William (b 1848); Charles D. (b 1850); Martha (b > > > 1852); and Tennesse (1854). All born in Ga. According to Ella`s info, > a > > > 50 year old Jesse married to a 22 old woman Elizabeth. Could Elizabeth > > > have been older than 22? The children of his first marriage could have > > > already been married. Regards, Truett W. Crumley, [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:18 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] More 1880 US census look ups? Read Carefully!! > > > > > > > > > > The only Chappel Crumley in the whole US in 180... > > > > > > > > Census Place: Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee > > > > Source: FHL Film 1255245 National Archives Film T9-1245 Page > > 286A > > > > > > > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > > > Chappel CRUMLEY Self M M W 50 GA > > > > Occ: Laborer Fa: --- Mo: --- > > > > Eliza CRUMLEY Wife F M W 22 VA > > > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA > > > > John CRUMLEY Son M S W 14 GA > > > > Occ: Farm Hand Fa: GA Mo: --- > > > > Mary CRUMLEY Dau F S W 3 TN > > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > > Emma CRUMLEY Dau F S W 1 TN > > > > Fa: GA Mo: VA > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > if that's not him, send me wife and children's names and I'll see what > I > > > can > > > > find. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > Ella > > > > > > > > > > >