I feel the same way Margie and this is a Labor of Love! :-) Sincerely, Laurie At 12:47 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Laurie, >You are doing a great job! >Thanks for doing this as I think that we all will benefit very much from it. >I have recieved so much help from so many people and am more than willing to >share everything that I have with anyone that can use it. >Margie "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Yep...makes sense to me! All is well. :-) Sincerely, Laurie At 12:38 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, sorry but it just didn't show up right the first time. The numbers >didn't show in blue on either of the e-mails that I sent and didn't want to >confuse you???? Does this make sense? >Margie >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Laurie Ann Wells" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:25 AM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] website > > > > Is this the same site you just sent me Margie, because it worked the first > > time around, and I have it added to the page. > > Sincerely, > > Laurie > > > > At 12:23 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Laurie, > > >One more time: > > > >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/k/i/Margie-D-Skinner/?Welcome= >1 > > >018588552 > > >Thanks, > > >Margie > > > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." > > -Eleanor Roosevelt > > > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Is this the same site you just sent me Margie, because it worked the first time around, and I have it added to the page. Sincerely, Laurie At 12:23 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Laurie, >One more time: >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/k/i/Margie-D-Skinner/?Welcome=1 >018588552 >Thanks, >Margie "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Hi! Crumly Clan. Still at a dead end "HELP" Jerry in Ok ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: relitives > Ed! My name is Jerry L Crumly. My Grandfather James Andrew Crumly And his > father Thomas Howard are buried in Scots cemetery between Butler and > Amsterdam Mo. Thomas had five Brothers and two sisters. Their names were Al > which was short for Albion, Sam, William, Owen, who I meant once, he live in > Co the last I heard and Aaron. His sisters names were Alwilda, and Deli. I > did meet great aunt Alwilda, her married name was Picket. My Great > Grandmother's name was Mary Agness ( Stinnett may not be spelled right) > Crumly. My Father Thomas Elmer Crumly told me that My GGreat Grandmother's > maiden name was Esther Hockett. I found a Esther Hockett on Ancestery .com. > She was married to a James Jones Crumley, but it only showed one child, her > name was Alwilda. Nothing about the six boys and other daughter. You are one > of the few Crumlys I have see on the web that has mentioned Crumlys in MO . > If you help me I will be in your dept forever. I have hit a dead end. My dad told that Mary agness was Quaker, And had a big dairy farm just outside of Butler Mo. > Peace > Jerry L Crumly > 1505 Berry Rd > Ft Gibson Ok 74434 > [email protected] > >

P.S. Again - I will probably put the main link for Crumley Central on the links page below...it will take over the first spot. Sincerely, Laurie At 09:37 PM 04/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Ditto - and I am in the process of setting up the second page mentioned, >but need more sites! :-) (Please send them!) >Sincerely, >Laurie >P.S. Also, I have added a new section but do not have any data added as >yet...hopefully by this weekend. URL's below - > >http://users.techline.com/garvinle/grandcestors/cland.htm Crumley Land >Records >http://users.techline.com/garvinle/grandcestors/clinks.htm Crumley Links > >P.P.S.S. Will add descriptions to the individual sites...only have names >so far...just trying to get the main pages set up. > >A Lovely Friday to All! >Sincerely, >Laurie > > >At 09:36 PM 04/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> I agree that we need to keep in text, also as simple as possible as >> not everyone has computers that can do frames and the fancy >> stuff. Maybe have a page that would list members homepages etc with >> brief summery of what is on the homepage, like photos, other families >> genealogy. >>Just my 2 cents. >>Tricia > >"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." >-Eleanor Roosevelt > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Ditto - and I am in the process of setting up the second page mentioned, but need more sites! :-) (Please send them!) Sincerely, Laurie P.S. Also, I have added a new section but do not have any data added as yet...hopefully by this weekend. URL's below - http://users.techline.com/garvinle/grandcestors/cland.htm Crumley Land Records http://users.techline.com/garvinle/grandcestors/clinks.htm Crumley Links P.P.S.S. Will add descriptions to the individual sites...only have names so far...just trying to get the main pages set up. A Lovely Friday to All! Sincerely, Laurie At 09:36 PM 04/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I agree that we need to keep in text, also as simple as possible as not > everyone has computers that can do frames and the fancy stuff. Maybe > have a page that would list members homepages etc with brief summery of > what is on the homepage, like photos, other families genealogy. >Just my 2 cents. >Tricia "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Hi Rest assured, I wouldn't sue anybody for copying my father's book and selling it over the Internet. For one thing, I have no inventory, therefore no monetary loss. At $25.00, I'm only trying to recover my expenses, which include packaging and mailing. However, if anybody can do it cheaper, you have my support. My only interest is to share my father's work. If he were alive today, he would be very excited about your interest in the Crumley line. Hugh, Jr.

I agree that we need to keep in text, also as simple as possible as not everyone has computers that can do frames and the fancy stuff. Maybe have a page that would list members homepages etc with brief summery of what is on the homepage, like photos, other families genealogy. Just my 2 cents. Tricia

Ken- I'm trying to backtrack where my information came from, I find the Ervin Crumley m. ?Taylor on the family sheet I got from Truett, it was original from Bill Cox. also found an email where Donna Cooper listed John Elwood as a son of Erwin Crumley m. ? Taylor. Bill Cox is the one who told me original about the killing of John Crumbly, as an aside to all the spellings of our last name. "Note from a Georgia newspaper, "In Fammin county, recently, John Crumbly was murdered by William Erwin Crumbly." January 18, 1858 I guess the question now is where's Bill, I'm working on getting some information on Boyd Avery for him, now that I'm retired and can travel to where the records are. Is possible that some of these other Crumley-Crumlys Curmbly etc might be the off spring of Valentine's children, not the George line, or maybe James Crumley's brother Thomas? Tricia

Tricia, I have a John E. Crumley married 6/25/1886 to an Emily Godfrey, I have not been able to connect this John E. to a line. Could this be the same John Elwood with another wife?? Ken At 09:05 PM 4/8/02 -0700, you wrote: >Ken, >thanks for the timely answer to my early questions, I have some bad data, >so weeding it out is good. one more for you, I have W. E. married to ? >Taylor with a son John Elwood Crumley, married to Susan Cox, who is on >Billy Cox's line. >Billy and I both descend from Thomas Charles Crumley > >Paul, >along with Arlettia I;I've used your web information to double check >things I find. thanks so much for the hard work. Now the questions, are >the publications that you list available to buy, if so where? if not can >we buy copies? > >Everyone >I have posted pictures of Hopewell Meeting House on my FamilyTree Maker >site, also the Morgan cabin for those of us who descend from Thomas >Crumley and Ruth Morgan. I'll have a better picture of the outside of the >cabin later. >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/w/Patricia-D-Howard/ > >Patricia Crumley Howard >On the Trail of My Ancestors > >"A smile is a curve that can set a lot of things straight." >Word of Wisdom" >

Ed, So does this mean that this is a separate Crumley line coming into the states in the late 1870's? Have you found them arriving on any passenger lists for that time period? Comments? Ken Crumbly At 11:57 AM 4/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >Edward Crumly & Christina Bach lived near billings, mo. i have found them >in the 1900 >census. In 1905 the family moved to canada. >Polk Twp. >#292 Crumly, Edward m Head Sep 1859 42 md(22) MO GER GER >, Christena E. f Wife Feb 1862 38 md(22) 13-6 MO GER GER >, Louise S. f Dau. May 1881 19 s MO MO MO >, Laurence m Son Sep 1888 11 MO MO MO >, Josephine f Dau. Jun 1891 8 MO MO MO >, Leo m Son Oct 1894 5 MO MO MO >, Joseph m Son Sep 1896 3 MO MO MO >NOTE: Edward was a farmer. The parents of both were born in Germany. >They had two children that i know of, who were not at home in the 1900 census >Emilia Crumly( GARDNER) b 1882 >Henry William Crumly b 1888 > >Emelia Gardner har three children >Helen b 1908 >Bill b 1900 >Fred b 1898 >We can find no earlier listing for this family, the census shows Edward >Crumly was >born in mo. >The family was German and Catholic. > >From St Joesphs church in Billings we show some of the later children's > batismal records >and the names read as KRAMLICH/KROMLY/CRUMLY/CRUMLEY >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >please e-mail me, Edward Crumly was my grandfather >I also believe the name was changed from one of the above, due to a clerks >spelling >as my grandfather Edward Crumly could not read or write in english. >So to try and trace a family German, which i dio not know, is very difficult. >[email protected] > > > > > Followups: > > No followups yet >

Hugh has offered you folks the book at a reasonable price, I don't think you can copy it without his permission. Ken Crumbly At 11:24 AM 4/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >It will cost about $15.00 -$20.00 to reproduce depending on how you want it >bound. That's not the piont. Hugh Mottren may have good reason to sue >those that are copying his book and selling it on the web. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:37 PM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Crumley write-up, web site > > > > Hi to all out there! > > A few of you have expressed interest in the so-called "Crumley Big >Book" > > by Hugh Henry Mottern printed in 1964 of which I have my mom's copy. For >all > > its faults, it is a fascinating effort & would add to any Crumley >collection. > > I'm going to take it to Kinko's and find out what the cost would be to > > reproduce the thing, probably in a large 3-ring binder format. It is 230 > > pages almost all printed on front & back. It'll be a few bucks but not as > > much as someone mentioned when one was located on e-Bay for $95 (?). So >I'll > > check into that & get back to you guys. > > Patty in California > > > > >

Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. Well here is the problem with these twins. If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that good here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the wedding of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? Comments? Ken At 10:28 AM 4/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Ken, > >Yes we would love to have anything on this connection of Witzels(Wetzel) >to the Crumley family if possible. We have several Crumley researchers in >our group as well as Wetzels. > >Our main Wetzel adds this to your data: >"they include a lot of >census years, do not include 1860. In 1860 John C. & Charlotte (Crumley) >Witzel >are listed with two additional children, twins! See below: > >William E age 4 male son born GA----twin >John E. age 4 male son born GA-----twin > > >Thanks, and Best regards, Doyle > > >At 10:53 PM 4/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Great. >>Do you need any more of that line? Just ask and I will see what I can >>help with on this family. >> >>Ken >> >>At 09:46 PM 4/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >>>Hi Ken, >>> >>>I received the file and group sheet data on John and Martha Crumley and >>>daughter Charlotte m. John Witzel. >>> >>>Thanks very much, I appreciate it greatly. >>> >>>Best regards, Doyle >>>______________________________________________________ >>>Research site: >>>http://www.dwchambers.com > >______________________________________________________ >Research site: >http://www.dwchambers.com > >

Wow! Great! and thank you Laurie for being willing to take on such a huge job. My nomination for Jerry to chair a committee to layout the Crumley Central site is still in motion. We now have our Web Mistress to work with the committee and let them know how it's done. So, if there is a group forming, I'd say go for it. And thanks again Laurie, how wonderful of you Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Ann Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > Hi Arlettia & All! > I have talked to Jerry and volunteered to set up & host the site on my > domain...just need to know what format everyone, or chairpersons, would > prefer...creative, generic, etc? > Sincerely, > Laurie > > > At 05:50 PM 04/11/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello List > > Back to the "Crumley Central" web site. As a member of one, I'd like > > to nominate Jerry as chairman of a committee to layout a website and > > find a web master/mistress and a web committee to govern the site. I > > feel that Jerry knows more about whose on the list and what their > > qualifications are in this area than most of us. We need members that > > know how to set up web sites and a plan to manage it. > > It seems evident that almost everyone is in favor of having this > > site, so a committee to lay it out would be the next move. > >The committee chairman would name his own committee if he's willing to > >take on the job. > > Jerry will you accept my nomination? And list members will you please > > submit your nominations so we can elect our chairman and start developing > > our new site. > > Thank you > >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." > -Eleanor Roosevelt >

Hello List Back to the "Crumley Central" web site. As a member of one, I'd like to nominate Jerry as chairman of a committee to layout a website and find a web master/mistress and a web committee to govern the site. I feel that Jerry knows more about whose on the list and what their qualifications are in this area than most of us. We need members that know how to set up web sites and a plan to manage it. It seems evident that almost everyone is in favor of having this site, so a committee to lay it out would be the next move. The committee chairman would name his own committee if he's willing to take on the job. Jerry will you accept my nomination? And list members will you please submit your nominations so we can elect our chairman and start developing our new site. Thank you Arlettia Crumley Fyfe

> Jerry will you accept my nomination? Let me get back to you on that, please. I was kind of hoping someone else would step up to the plate and take a bite of this. Jerry

> I have talked to Jerry and volunteered to set up & host the site on my > domain...just need to know what format everyone, or chairpersons, would > prefer...creative, generic, etc? Before we really get into this, let me remind everyone that some of our list subscribers live in non-urban areas, and their modem speeds don't support downloading lots of graphics every time they log onto a website. For example, my sister and her family live in an area where they're lucky to get 28Kbd when they're online. Usually it's less. So, no graphics. It's got to be text without pictures at least for the beginning. Each person will be able to create their own mini-site if they want, and add all the whistles, bell, pictures and sounds (bagpipes, perhaps) that they want. I'll get back to everyone on some other inputs. I'm still talking off line with some folks who have a lot of research experience. Jerry

Hi Arlettia & All! I have talked to Jerry and volunteered to set up & host the site on my domain...just need to know what format everyone, or chairpersons, would prefer...creative, generic, etc? Sincerely, Laurie At 05:50 PM 04/11/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hello List > Back to the "Crumley Central" web site. As a member of one, I'd like > to nominate Jerry as chairman of a committee to layout a website and > find a web master/mistress and a web committee to govern the site. I > feel that Jerry knows more about whose on the list and what their > qualifications are in this area than most of us. We need members that > know how to set up web sites and a plan to manage it. > It seems evident that almost everyone is in favor of having this > site, so a committee to lay it out would be the next move. >The committee chairman would name his own committee if he's willing to >take on the job. > Jerry will you accept my nomination? And list members will you please > submit your nominations so we can elect our chairman and start developing > our new site. > Thank you >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D2FB7974EE4857622507EB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good idea! [email protected] wrote: > Hi, all. Since Hugh Mottern, Jr. has copies of the big Crumley book > available, I won't bother with copying mine for anyone. $25 per copy is a > great deal..take it for those who are interested in this fascinating book! > Patty in California --------------4D2FB7974EE4857622507EB7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=UTF-8; name="Donna.Hamby.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Donna Hamby Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Donna.Hamby.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Donna x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] fn:Donna Hamby end:vcard --------------4D2FB7974EE4857622507EB7--

Hi, all. Since Hugh Mottern, Jr. has copies of the big Crumley book available, I won't bother with copying mine for anyone. $25 per copy is a great deal..take it for those who are interested in this fascinating book! Patty in California