In a message dated 4/12/2002 12:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > It is starting to sound complicated. I hope those that set this site up > remember that lots of us out here are just point and lick computer users. > My > computer is at least five years old and I have no idea what a zip format > is. > Please keep it simple! > Arlettia Fyfe Crumley > Hi, Arlettia--I'm in the same spot, but if we can find any Crumleys on the list who are part Danish (as I am) they could see how great the Danish "My Family.com". And I think we could do the same thing:) Best regards. Jean Crumley Barbour

Thanks Nancy, All these bits and pieces are beginning to paint a good picture of the family I appreciate the help. Doyle At 05:42 AM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I looked up John and Charlotte Witzel on the 1880 census for you and found: >1880 Fannin Co., GA. Mobile, p. 637-D >John C. Witzel 67 NC >Charlotte T. Witzel wife 50 NC >Margerett G. Crumby dau 23 GA. >John grson 23 GA >Poley grson 6 GA >This is from the LDS census CD's and how they have them listed. >Hope this helps you. >Nancy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dwchambers" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:18 PM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] To Kenneth & Clara Crumbly > > > > At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. > > > > > >Well here is the problem with these twins. > > > > > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and > > >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the > > >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? > > > > > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO > > >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. > > >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are > > >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that >good > > >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do > > >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the >wedding > > >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline > > >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel > > >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? > > > > > >Comments? > > >Ken > > ========== > > Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: > > > > "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the >"1860" > > census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the >murder > > in 1858. > > > > If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before > > the death of Margaret's grandfather! > > > > If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or > > Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! > > > > I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, >that > > census might help clear this up." > > > > Best regards, Doyle > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Research site: > > http://www.dwchambers.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Research site: http://www.dwchambers.com

It sounds like you two work together great, with like thinking. Two heads can work better than one so I'm all in favor. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > > >If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and > > >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. > > And can you guess who the co-chair will be, Ken??????? >

At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. > >Well here is the problem with these twins. > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that good >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the wedding >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? > >Comments? >Ken ========== Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the "1860" census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the murder in 1858. If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before the death of Margaret's grandfather! If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, that census might help clear this up." Best regards, Doyle ______________________________________________________ Research site: http://www.dwchambers.com

Hi, Hugh, Jr! Thanks for letting me know that I wasn't committing an "illegal activity" by offering to print copies of my family's cherished Crumley "big book" compiled by your father. It is just such a wonderful thing & I've enjoyed it since I was a child. Didn't know how many original copies were still left out there but I wanted to share mine w/ whomever was interested. And it seems like there are ALOT of Crumleys out there interested in genealogy. Computers are a miracle of the modern age when it comes to this kind of research---makes info & staying in touch instantaneous! By the way, on another interesting little note.....It was my mom's Uncle Cy (my great uncle who I only met once) who was the long-time conductor of the train called "Tweetsie" and whose photo your father saw in the newspaper in St. Louis that prompted his research....leading to his decades of hard work in the Crumley family genealogy research. I remember my mom telling me about your father who started his work when she was young at the time: "This old man came to town and stayed for weeks. He went to all kinds of places searching for records and even out into the woods looking for old gravestones." In fact, I'm heading over to the Las Vegas area next week to visit my parents and I know she'll get a big kick out of me hearing from Hugh Mottern, Jr. and from Ken Hodge, her cousin's son. Alot easier to keep track of people this day and age as opposed to just a few yrs ago! Thanks for the "reprint permission" if needed! Patty in California

Hello, It is starting to sound complicated. I hope those that set this site up remember that lots of us out here are just point and lick computer users. My computer is at least five years old and I have no idea what a zip format is. Please keep it simple! Arlettia Fyfe Crumley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Ann Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] website construction > > Hi Jerry! > I use a combination of Front Page Express and Adobe Photo Shop for my web > pages. I can import Ged Com files...just need someone to remind me how > again. I can accept files of just about any size, but huge ones are better > off exported in a zip format. I am on my way to work, but will be home > later this evening and on line by about 8 or 9 p.m. > > Wishing You a Lovely Friday! > Sincerely, > Laurie > > At 09:02 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Laurie, what software do you use for genealogy? And a foolish question, can > >you import GEDCOM files? > > > >Jerry > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." > -Eleanor Roosevelt >

Stubborn Crumly, must be in the genes. ha ken At 08:54 AM 4/12/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > Jerry will you accept my nomination? > >Jean, you might want to consider very careful before you ask me to chair >this project. I don't believe in allowing a committee to design a horse; the >result is usually bizarre. If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. It'll also require lots of >assistance from the other researchers on this list to provide substantiated >input, in the right format for the webmaster to use. > >It would probably be more satisfactory to everyone if you selected someone >who has lots of time to dedicate to this and who is more open to >suggestions. */;-)

Tricia, Well yes anything is possible. However looking at birth dates and places where they were born Truett and I think this is the best possible match. A lot of things match, for these folks were in N. Central GA just over the mountain from Truetts folks in White and Habersham Countys. If Billy Cox has a copy of that newspaper article about the shooting, I would be for ever grateful to all for a copy of it. If it says that Willian Erwin was the nephew of John the man he murdered then I have a direct link back. It is the one piece of paper that may make my line complete. Even if I have the name of the newspaper would help. The University at Athens has a big project on to gather copies of every newspaper ever published in GA. I went there last year, but since I did not know the paper I could not find anything. They are not indexed either. We have put out several feelers to try and find Donna Cooper, but no luck so far. The web site in Newberry lists an e-mail address but it is not valid now. Thanks for thinking of this broken link for me. On the Valentine question, I have not seen any data that would find any of his offspring up in Fannin, Union, Gilmer, Murray counties or in Polk Co. Tenn which is just across the state line from these other counties. Ken At 09:32 PM 4/11/02 -0700, you wrote: > Ken- I'm trying to backtrack where my information came from, I find the > Ervin Crumley m. ?Taylor on the family sheet I got from Truett, it was > original from Bill Cox. also found an email where Donna Cooper listed > John Elwood as a son of Erwin Crumley m. ? Taylor. >Bill Cox is the one who told me original about the killing of John >Crumbly, as an aside to all the spellings of our last name. > >"Note from a Georgia newspaper, "In Fammin county, recently, John Crumbly >was murdered by William Erwin Crumbly." January 18, 1858 > >I guess the question now is where's Bill, > I'm working on getting some information on Boyd Avery for him, now that > I'm retired and can travel to where the records are. > >Is possible that some of these other Crumley-Crumlys Curmbly etc might be >the off spring of Valentine's children, not the George line, or maybe >James Crumley's brother Thomas? > >Tricia >

Not to worry, Arlettia, I believe in simplicity. I'm still thinking about this. I'm looking for the easiest way to get the data to the webguru. Jerry > Hello, > It is starting to sound complicated. I hope those that set this site up > remember that lots of us out here are just point and lick computer users. My > computer is at least five years old and I have no idea what a zip format is. > Please keep it simple! > Arlettia Fyfe Crumley

> >If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and > >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. And can you guess who the co-chair will be, Ken???????

That is O.K. Arlettia...I can accept any type of file...you could just send regular emails rather than ged com or zip file...I was just pointing out that I am pretty well set up to receive any format. Sincerely, Laurie P.S. Snail mail is O.K. also, I can type the data from there. At 12:04 PM 04/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > It is starting to sound complicated. I hope those that set this site up >remember that lots of us out here are just point and lick computer users. My >computer is at least five years old and I have no idea what a zip format is. >Please keep it simple! > Arlettia Fyfe Crumley > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Laurie Ann Wells" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:35 AM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] website construction > > > > > > Hi Jerry! > > I use a combination of Front Page Express and Adobe Photo Shop for my web > > pages. I can import Ged Com files...just need someone to remind me how > > again. I can accept files of just about any size, but huge ones are >better > > off exported in a zip format. I am on my way to work, but will be home > > later this evening and on line by about 8 or 9 p.m. > > > > Wishing You a Lovely Friday! > > Sincerely, > > Laurie > > > > At 09:02 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Laurie, what software do you use for genealogy? And a foolish question, >can > > >you import GEDCOM files? > > > > > >Jerry > > > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." > > -Eleanor Roosevelt > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

Laurie, what software do you use for genealogy? And a foolish question, can you import GEDCOM files? Jerry

> > Jerry will you accept my nomination? Jean, you might want to consider very careful before you ask me to chair this project. I don't believe in allowing a committee to design a horse; the result is usually bizarre. If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. It'll also require lots of assistance from the other researchers on this list to provide substantiated input, in the right format for the webmaster to use. It would probably be more satisfactory to everyone if you selected someone who has lots of time to dedicate to this and who is more open to suggestions. */;-)

Hi Jerry! I use a combination of Front Page Express and Adobe Photo Shop for my web pages. I can import Ged Com files...just need someone to remind me how again. I can accept files of just about any size, but huge ones are better off exported in a zip format. I am on my way to work, but will be home later this evening and on line by about 8 or 9 p.m. Wishing You a Lovely Friday! Sincerely, Laurie At 09:02 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Laurie, what software do you use for genealogy? And a foolish question, can >you import GEDCOM files? > >Jerry "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

John C. Witzel age 67, Occ: work in Grist Mill, b. NC (both parents born in NC) Charlotte T. Witzel wife age 50 b. NC (both parents b. NC) Margerette G. Crumby Dau age 39 b. GA (both parents born in NC) John Crumby grson age 23, b. GA, occ: well digging, (father b. NC, mother b. GA) Poley Crumby grson age 6, b GA, (father b.----, Mother b. GA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geniebug" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:42 AM Subject: Witzel and Crumby (sic) > I looked up John and Charlotte Witzel on the 1880 census for you and found: > 1880 Fannin Co., GA. Mobile, p. 637-D > John C. Witzel 67 NC > Charlotte T. Witzel wife 50 NC > Margerett G. Crumby dau 23 GA. > John grson 23 GA > Poley grson 6 GA > This is from the LDS census CD's and how they have them listed. > Hope this helps you. > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dwchambers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] To Kenneth & Clara Crumbly > > > > At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. > > > > > >Well here is the problem with these twins. > > > > > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and > > >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the > > >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? > > > > > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO > > >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. > > >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are > > >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that > good > > >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do > > >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the > wedding > > >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline > > >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel > > >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? > > > > > >Comments? > > >Ken > > ========== > > Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: > > > > "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the > "1860" > > census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the > murder > > in 1858. > > > > If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before > > the death of Margaret's grandfather! > > > > If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or > > Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! > > > > I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, > that > > census might help clear this up." > > > > Best regards, Doyle > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Research site: > > http://www.dwchambers.com > > > > >

I looked up John and Charlotte Witzel on the 1880 census for you and found: 1880 Fannin Co., GA. Mobile, p. 637-D John C. Witzel 67 NC Charlotte T. Witzel wife 50 NC Margerett G. Crumby dau 23 GA. John grson 23 GA Poley grson 6 GA This is from the LDS census CD's and how they have them listed. Hope this helps you. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwchambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] To Kenneth & Clara Crumbly > At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. > > > >Well here is the problem with these twins. > > > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and > >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the > >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? > > > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO > >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. > >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are > >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that good > >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do > >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the wedding > >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline > >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel > >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? > > > >Comments? > >Ken > ========== > Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: > > "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the "1860" > census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the murder > in 1858. > > If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before > the death of Margaret's grandfather! > > If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or > Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! > > I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, that > census might help clear this up." > > Best regards, Doyle > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Research site: > http://www.dwchambers.com > >

In a message dated 4/11/2002 5:53:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Jerry will you accept my nomination? I HOPE SO! Jean Crumley Barbour

Laurie, You are doing a great job! Thanks for doing this as I think that we all will benefit very much from it. I have recieved so much help from so many people and am more than willing to share everything that I have with anyone that can use it. Margie

Yes, sorry but it just didn't show up right the first time. The numbers didn't show in blue on either of the e-mails that I sent and didn't want to confuse you???? Does this make sense? Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Ann Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] website > Is this the same site you just sent me Margie, because it worked the first > time around, and I have it added to the page. > Sincerely, > Laurie > > At 12:23 AM 04/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Laurie, > >One more time: > >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/k/i/Margie-D-Skinner/?Welcome= 1 > >018588552 > >Thanks, > >Margie > > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." > -Eleanor Roosevelt > >

Laurie, One more time: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/k/i/Margie-D-Skinner/?Welcome=1 018588552 Thanks, Margie