> I would like to know how Larry does the pedigree charts? Does FTM or > another program do this automatically? Once I know how to set up a chart > like that I will know where to begin. Ged coms will more than likely be > fine, but I can accept FTM files, or just plain emails also. Laurie, let me email you a small webpage created by my software. Yu can open it into your browser and take a look at it. It may give you some ideas, of at least a starting point. Jerry

Approval committee How about let's getting together a small committee to provide that FINAL stamp of approval for the material that's posted in terms of validity, appearance, etc. This committee isn't going to design the horse, just make sure it's what we wanted in the first place. Ken, you're on it, of course, by virtue of your overall knowledge of the family. We need a few more volunteers to make up five total. That's small enough to be manageable. It would be nice if at least one was a George descendant. Just volunteer directly to my address and I'll sort through everyone. Thanks, Jerry

Here are some criteria: no pop-ups no banners plain background no graphics, either on the home page or others (down load time) hyper linked footnotes (like Paul's) short, stand-alone URL > I > would like to create an attractive 'Cover, or main page' for Crumley > Central though if everyone agrees...no bells & whistles. Good, use the KISS principle, nothing cutesy. This website represents all of us, so let us see it first, please. How do you envision putting all this data together, Laurie? Is GEDCOM the best way for you? We've got to get it to you in a form that's easy for you to massage. Jerry

Ken, Genealogy Library put the Missouri Marriage Record Index on their web site recently. Perhaps this will help you to help Jerry. God bless, Nancy Crumley, Almildia J. Gender: Female Spouse: Benjamin Pickett Marriage Date: Mar 02, 1876 County: Bates More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0945187 - 0945192 Crumley, Amanda Gender: Female Spouse: Jacob L. D. Cantrell Marriage Date: Nov 04, 1872 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumley, Elizabeth C. Gender: Female Spouse: R. J. Maybee Marriage Date: Dec 07, 1879 County: Bates More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0945187 - 0945192 Crumley, Elnora Gender: Female Spouse: H. V. Rice Marriage Date: Apr 05, 1887 County: Bates More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0945187 - 0945192 Crumley, Elta Gender: Female Spouse: Fredrick Blood Marriage Date: Jan 29, 1898 County: Clark More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 1014943 - 1014947 Crumley, Harriet Gender: Female Spouse: Noah Haddock Marriage Date: Apr 21, 1861 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumley, Jno. Gender: Male Spouse: Louisa Brown Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 County: Newton More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0929788 - 0929792 Crumley, John Gender: Male Spouse: Louisa Brown Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 County: Newton More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0929788 - 0929792 Crumley, Mary Gender: Female Spouse: John White Marriage Date: Jan 16, 1870 County: Newton More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0929788 - 0929792 Crumley, Meredith N. Gender: Male Spouse: Mary E. Gibbens Marriage Date: Jul 27, 1873 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumley, Olive Gender: Female Spouse: James R. Vasser Marriage Date: Jan 01, 1869 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumley, Samuel Gender: Male Spouse: Amanda H. Rains Marriage Date: Dec 08, 1867 County: Phelps More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0914751 - 0914754 Crumley, Spencer Gender: Male Spouse: Sharlotte Rumbaugh Marriage Date: Apr 14, 1861 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumley, Thomas H. Gender: Male Spouse: Mary A. Stinnet Marriage Date: Dec 29, 1883 County: Bates More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0945187 - 0945192 Crumley, William A. Gender: Male Spouse: Abbie W. Raybourn Marriage Date: Dec 23, 1883 County: Bates More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0945187 - 0945192 Crumly, John Gender: Male Spouse: Sarah Haddock Marriage Date: Jun 12, 1860 County: Barry More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0931375 - 0931378 Crumly, William P. Gender: Male Spouse: Apaline Grate Marriage Date: Jan 20, 1883 County: Clark More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 1014943 - 1014947

There have been some concerns expressed regarding privacy issues. As most of you know, the 1930 census was published last month and is now available on line for anyone who wants to see it. If someone is concerned about a birthdate being known, rest assured that anyone born on or before 1930 is now exposed. A suggestion has been made that for privacy purposes we initially include on our website ONLY those people who were born on or before 1930. This will also make it a little easier to collect and post the data to the website. There are a lot of Crumley descendants born after 1930 whom we can initially leave off. All the living people can be posted later, omitting their dates if everyone desires it. Jerry

I'm numbering my emails re organizing the building of our website so I can keep track of each subject. This one concerns software. There are several ways to put all our data together for a website. One is to send it all to the webmaster and have that person enter it name by name and date by date. You shouldn't expect to see a completed site before the year 2005. */;-) The simpler way is to send it via GEDCOM file to the webmaster and have it entered via the genealogy software. This presupposes that everyone (or most of us) has their data entered on some recognized genealogy software. I'm using Personal Ancestor File (PAF) which can be downloaded for free from the LDS website. This particular software will actually build you a website from your data that fulfills most of our requirements. My guess is that the other widely used software will do the same thing, i.e., Family Tree Maker (FTM), Brother's Keeper (BK), etc. So as a first cut at organizing this monster, send us your name, James and Catharine's child that you're descended from, (or George), and tell us what software you're using. Please keep track of the responses from your particular line, because one of you will have to become the chairperson of that line. Jerry

O.K...O.K...<Pouting...LOL> I would like to know how Larry does the pedigree charts? Does FTM or another program do this automatically? Once I know how to set up a chart like that I will know where to begin. Ged coms will more than likely be fine, but I can accept FTM files, or just plain emails also. A Lovely Sunday to All! Sincerely, Laurie At 11:56 AM 04/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Here are some criteria: >no pop-ups >no banners >plain background >no graphics, either on the home page or others (down load time) >hyper linked footnotes (like Paul's) >short, stand-alone URL > > > I > > would like to create an attractive 'Cover, or main page' for Crumley > > Central though if everyone agrees...no bells & whistles. > >Good, use the KISS principle, nothing cutesy. This website represents all of >us, so let us see it first, please. > >How do you envision putting all this data together, Laurie? Is GEDCOM the >best way for you? We've got to get it to you in a form that's easy for you >to massage. >Jerry "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

I would also like to see the lines of Valentine included in this web site. I know Carol Paprocki is a descendant and another researcher who also lives in Ohio. Sorry, I can't think of your name off hand. Nancy

In a message dated 4/13/2002 9:48:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Trish, > Stubborn! Strange you should mention that. I have some of the most > stubborn and obstinate relatives. I should have realized it was inherited. > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > AMEN to that! Of course I'M not stubborn--just my kids:) Jean

Trish, Stubborn! Strange you should mention that. I have some of the most stubborn and obstinate relatives. I should have realized it was inherited. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe

Hello List, I agree with Larry and I like his site. The pedigree chart is simple, familiar to everyone, easy to locate people your interested in, easy to know where you and yours fit into the picture. Also, I agree that it needs to be easy to read. Not color on color that is hard to read. Old eyes have a lot of difficulty with that kind of thing. And stay with text. Make links to graphics for those that can and want to go there, but keep them as an option. Just some more of my 2 cents worth Arlettia Crumley Fyfe

I love the pedigree chart also and agree we should keep it simple, which my family genealogy site is not, but this is where I express my creativity. I would like to create an attractive 'Cover, or main page' for Crumley Central though if everyone agrees...no bells & whistles. Sincerely, Laurie At 06:16 PM 04/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hello List, > I agree with Larry and I like his site. The pedigree chart is simple, > familiar to everyone, easy to locate people your interested in, easy to > know where you and yours fit into the picture. Also, I agree that it > needs to be easy to read. Not color on color that is hard to read. Old > eyes have a lot of difficulty with that kind of thing. And stay with > text. Make links to graphics for those that can and want to go > there, but keep them as an option. > Just some more of my 2 cents worth >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt

I agree with a few other people that the primary pages must be simple text. Links in the text should be used to refer to pictures or documents and allow the user to chose when and if they want to see more. I don't know if I am the only one who feels this way but I find many sites very difficult to see the information I want to see because the tree being documented is very wide at points and there are just too many similiar names and too much detail. Because of the project we are under taking I think this will be a problem for us too. I tried to address this problem on my web site by the use of the pedigree chart to allow visually navigating the tree. I think this works well for me because I'm only concerned with a single descendant but for our Crumley project I don't yet know how this could work. That's my 2 cents for now. I am a full time professional computer consultant with a young busy family so I don't have a lot of free time but I be willing to offer my second opinion on design issues as they arise or if you need someone to bounce ideas off of. -Larry Arnett Tricia Howard wrote: > I agree that we need to keep in text, also as simple as possible as not everyone has computers that can do frames and the fancy stuff. Maybe have a page that would list members homepages etc with brief summery of what is on the homepage, like photos, other families genealogy. > Just my 2 cents. > Tricia

two cents from a rainy day in Oregon, but the Hummingbirds are flocking to the feeder but my computer room window. I think Jerry and Ken would be good as co-chairs, they have both shown their genealogy awareness or experts on this list. Also they both ask for official documents to add something, which has been helpful to me. I've learned so much from this list. Chair people are just the facilitators for the group, reserving the meeting place and times and making sure that things stay on track. You both be good. Stubborn, that's every Crumley middle name, at least in our family, I always figured that the English line meets the German one somewhere. Happy Week=end Tricia

Jerry L. In my database is the following family. Abraham Crumley b. 3/10/1793 mJane McNees she d. 8-18-1845 in Green Co., Tenn Children: Writty (Rita) Crumleyb. 6-19-1831 William b. 10-4-1833 James Jones b. 4-22-1836 m. Esther Ellen Hockett Elizabeth Chloe b. 11-14-1839 Rhona b. 12-29-1841 Aaron H. II b12-23-1844 source is 1860 census indexed by Byron and Barbara Sistler, 1860 Census TN, Vol. 2, Indexed by Sistler, (1982 Nashville TN), page 21. This information I think was given to me by JoAnn Crumley Hannah in Bradley Co. Tenn. Since it was not in my line it is not sourced completely and for this I deeply apologize to you. shall I try to run it down or is this enough to get you past the block??? BTW Abe's father was William b. 1767 Virginia; d. in Greene Co Tn (See Paul Nichols site) Williams father was William son of James. Ken At 09:53 PM 4/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi! Crumly Clan. Still at a dead end "HELP" Jerry in Ok >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry L Crumly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:19 PM >Subject: relitives > > > > Ed! My name is Jerry L Crumly. My Grandfather James Andrew Crumly And his > > father Thomas Howard are buried in Scots cemetery between Butler and > > Amsterdam Mo. Thomas had five Brothers and two sisters. Their names were >Al > > which was short for Albion, Sam, William, Owen, who I meant once, he live >in > > Co the last I heard and Aaron. His sisters names were Alwilda, and Deli. I > > did meet great aunt Alwilda, her married name was Picket. My Great > > Grandmother's name was Mary Agness ( Stinnett may not be spelled right) > > Crumly. My Father Thomas Elmer Crumly told me that My GGreat Grandmother's > > maiden name was Esther Hockett. I found a Esther Hockett on Ancestery >.com. > > She was married to a James Jones Crumley, but it only showed one child, >her > > name was Alwilda. Nothing about the six boys and other daughter. You are >one > > of the few Crumlys I have see on the web that has mentioned Crumlys in MO >. > > If you help me I will be in your dept forever. I have hit a dead end. My >dad told that Mary agness was Quaker, And had a big dairy farm just outside >of Butler Mo. > > Peace > > Jerry L Crumly > > 1505 Berry Rd > > Ft Gibson Ok 74434 > > [email protected] > > > >

Doyle, I have Poley b. abt. 1863. So what happened to the twins???? They must have already left home by 1880. I agree that John C. Witzel is born in 1813. I don't agree that Charlotte was born that late. I think she is born abt 1821. So if she marries at age 19 that makes Margaret born abt 1840. and Margaret could then have been married in 1855. Margaret is married in May 19, 1855 according to court records in Fannin County. So son John is born about 1 year later or 1857. and Poley about 1 or 2 after that. She could have even been preggie with Poley when the shooting took place in 1858. I wonder then if the twins died as toddlers or something. ken At 05:54 PM 4/12/02 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Nancy, > >All these bits and pieces are beginning to paint a good picture of the family >I appreciate the help. Doyle > >At 05:42 AM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I looked up John and Charlotte Witzel on the 1880 census for you and found: >>1880 Fannin Co., GA. Mobile, p. 637-D >>John C. Witzel 67 NC >>Charlotte T. Witzel wife 50 NC >>Margerett G. Crumby dau 23 GA. >>John grson 23 GA >>Poley grson 6 GA >>This is from the LDS census CD's and how they have them listed. >>Hope this helps you. >>Nancy >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "dwchambers" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:18 PM >>Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] To Kenneth & Clara Crumbly >> >> >> > At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> > >Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. >> > > >> > >Well here is the problem with these twins. >> > > >> > >If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and >> > >Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the >> > >children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? >> > > >> > >Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO >> > >somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. >> > >So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are >> > >children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that >>good >> > >here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) I do >> > >know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the >>wedding >> > >of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth Angeline >> > >Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the Witzel >> > >researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? >> > > >> > >Comments? >> > >Ken >> > ========== >> > Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: >> > >> > "About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the >>"1860" >> > census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the >>murder >> > in 1858. >> > >> > If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before >> > the death of Margaret's grandfather! >> > >> > If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or >> > Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! >> > >> > I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, >>that >> > census might help clear this up." >> > >> > Best regards, Doyle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________ >> > Research site: >> > http://www.dwchambers.com >> > >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Research site: >http://www.dwchambers.com > >

Truett has been strangely silent on all of the sites this past week. He must be on a trip. ken At 09:39 PM 4/12/02 -0600, you wrote: >Has anyone contacted Truett and gotten his thoughts on this project? For >some reason I have a strong feeling that he isn't going to want to be part >of this, as he has all he can handle with his book, but I may be totally off >base. You never know until you ask. > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > > > > Truett???? > > > > k > > > > At 02:48 PM 4/12/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >It sounds like you two work together great, with like thinking. Two heads > > >can work better than one so I'm all in favor. > > >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:09 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > > > > > > > > > > > >If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and > > > > > >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. > > > > > > > > And can you guess who the co-chair will be, Ken??????? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Has anyone contacted Truett and gotten his thoughts on this project? For some reason I have a strong feeling that he isn't going to want to be part of this, as he has all he can handle with his book, but I may be totally off base. You never know until you ask. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > Truett???? > > k > > At 02:48 PM 4/12/02 -0600, you wrote: > >It sounds like you two work together great, with like thinking. Two heads > >can work better than one so I'm all in favor. > >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:09 AM > >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > > > > > > > > >If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and > > > > >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. > > > > > > And can you guess who the co-chair will be, Ken??????? > > > > > > >

Truett???? k At 02:48 PM 4/12/02 -0600, you wrote: >It sounds like you two work together great, with like thinking. Two heads >can work better than one so I'm all in favor. >Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:09 AM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Web Site > > > > > >If I chair it, I'll select a co-chair or two and > > > >we'll do it the way we feel it should be done. > > > > And can you guess who the co-chair will be, Ken??????? > > >

well isn't this interesting? I have the full 1880 census on cds here at the house. If I can pry it loose from my wife I will try to look in it for these two Not sure it will help, but it might give some of you folks a clue. I don't have ready access to any Witzel data for 1870 so someone else will have to look in that one. Ken At 01:18 PM 4/12/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:17 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Yes I had seen that the other day in one of your postings to me. >> >>Well here is the problem with these twins. >> >>If Margaret's husband William Erwin shot her grandfather in 1858 and >>Margaret moved back home to her parents, then might these twins be the >>children of Margaret instead of Charlotte? >> >>Truett Crumley says that all of Charles Thomas Crumley family moved to MO >>somewhere around this time. He even has a wife's name for William Erwin. >>So do the dates in the Witzel family line support that these children are >>children of Margaret not of her mother Charlotte? My data is not that >>good here because I had to assume a birthdate for Charlotte (b.abt. 1821) >>I do know for 100% accurate that John Witzel and Charlotte attended the >>wedding of her brother, and my ggrandfather William Oliver to Elizabeth >>Angeline Patterson. So I know her maiden name was Crumbly. What do the >>Witzel researchers say is the birthdate of William Erwin or Margaret Witzel???? >> >>Comments? >>Ken >========== >Hi Ken, Here is the comment by a Wetzel descendant: > >"About the email from Ken, could you please convey to him that on the "1860" >census the twins were 4 years old. That would be two years before the murder >in 1858. > >If you subtract 4 from 1860 you come up with 1856 which is 2 years before >the death of Margaret's grandfather! > >If those twins were born in 1856, they could have been Charlottes or >Margaret's children. Guess this is one more problem to solve! > >I wonder if these two little boys appeared on the 1870 or 1880 census, that >census might help clear this up." > >Best regards, Doyle > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Research site: >http://www.dwchambers.com > >