Thought some of you might be interested in reading this. "Crumley hailed as "father of camouflage" "I never tie-dyed in the '60s," says Jim Crumley (distributive education '69, M.A.). But the brown camouflage designs he tie-dyed onto gray work clothes in the 1970s evolved into Trebark, Crumley's multi-million-dollar business. Crumley is now recognized as the founding father of camouflage clothing for hunters. Field and Stream recently called him "the guru of camo," and Outdoor Life hailed his original product as a "breakthrough." A deer hunter since childhood, Crumley became dissatisfied prowling the woods in standard green military uniforms. The predominant colors of his hunting grounds were greys and browns. So he created bark-patterned clothing to match the trees. The clothing was remarkably ugly, Crumley admits: "It actually looked like somebody had thrown up on you." But in the woods, the strange uniform was effective, and Crumley's friends started asking him to make them camouflage outfits. That's when Crumley knew he had a money-maker on his hands. He spent several years studying the textile business before launching his signature Trebark pattern in 1980. The product was an instant success, creating a niche market and spawning competitors by the score. Crumley remains humble. "I did not invent camouflage, obviously," he says, recalling the animal-skin garb of Native American hunters. With two new products, Trebark is poised to remain among the strongest players in a highly competitive market. "Second Skin" is a camo covering for hunting gear. "Sniper" is photo-realistic, leaf-patterned clothing with a 3-d effect."

Linda, The person who put this on line originally was: Jerry L. Crumley 1505 Berry Rd. Ft. Gibson, OK 74434 [email protected] I appreciate you telling me that Writty was incorrect. However, I need to know what correction to make in my data base and the source. This info is unsourced in my data base. Can you verify that Abraham m. Jane McNees and she died 8/18/1845 in Greene Co, TN? Thanks Ken At 07:37 PM 4/14/02 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 0412,2002 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > > > > Abraham Crumley b. 3/10/1793 > > mJane McNees she d. 8-18-1845 in Green Co., Tenn > > Children: > > Writty (Rita) Crumleyb. 6-19-1831 > > > >This is my line and I have documentation on all my entries I think. The main >thing I want to point out now is that Writty (RITA) Crumley is incorrect. I >spent many years on this subject and it is documented, I am sure. I really >would like to get together with the person/s that are interested in this line >because for some reason, I have lost out on the conversation on line lately >and who is who! I am so happy to see this list become active but I have had >a hard time getting used to it, it seems! > If those interested in this line will speak up or e-mail me directly, I >will be most happy to share what I have with you. My research began when I >was a younger woman and that now is about 30 years ago, so there is a nice >collection of Crumley "stuff!" >Linda Hays Ker >HAYS, INKS, CRUMLEY, BIBLE, BRITTON, MORTON, HORTON, HAYS, APPLE, SUMNER, >MOORE, JONES, ETC. > >

Jerry L. Ft. Gibson, OK Jerry it would be extremely helpful if you have any copies of notes or a family Bible history page that list dates of birth and dates of death or any marriages for the people you name in this article. I am currently holding copies of some pages from a Bible that I found in the Houston TX genealogy library that I cannot connect in my data base. I may be able to connect these two branches if I have some source material from your family. If you can please send me copies of any family notes or Bible pages. Then I can accurately source and attach this family. Thanks in advance Ken Crumbly At 09:53 PM 4/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi! Crumly Clan. Still at a dead end "HELP" Jerry in Ok >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry L Crumly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:19 PM >Subject: relitives > > > > Ed! My name is Jerry L Crumly. My Grandfather James Andrew Crumly And his > > father Thomas Howard are buried in Scots cemetery between Butler and > > Amsterdam Mo. Thomas had five Brothers and two sisters. Their names were >Al > > which was short for Albion, Sam, William, Owen, who I meant once, he live >in > > Co the last I heard and Aaron. His sisters names were Alwilda, and Deli. I > > did meet great aunt Alwilda, her married name was Picket. My Great > > Grandmother's name was Mary Agness ( Stinnett may not be spelled right) > > Crumly. My Father Thomas Elmer Crumly told me that My GGreat Grandmother's > > maiden name was Esther Hockett. I found a Esther Hockett on Ancestery >.com. > > She was married to a James Jones Crumley, but it only showed one child, >her > > name was Alwilda. Nothing about the six boys and other daughter. You are >one > > of the few Crumlys I have see on the web that has mentioned Crumlys in MO >. > > If you help me I will be in your dept forever. I have hit a dead end. My >dad told that Mary agness was Quaker, And had a big dairy farm just outside >of Butler Mo. > > Peace > > Jerry L Crumly > > 1505 Berry Rd > > Ft Gibson Ok 74434 > > [email protected] > > > >

Checked the LDS Family History Center catalog. The County Court records microfilm numbers listed previously are theirs. I'm sure the Kansas City MO archives would have the records also.

I too have a copy of the Wenzel book. It's available for copying on microfilm from the LDS Family History Center- listed in their catalog. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Hodge" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] George Crumley Book > Does anyone else have a copy of the book by Allan Ray Wenzel of Seattle, > Wa. entitled "The Crumley Family"? It seems to be an "add on" to Mottern's > book and is about 180 pages. The foreword mentions three separate Crumley > families who immigrated in the 1700's and settled in Lehigh Co., Pa. and > Virginia areas. Two of these are the Valentine and George Crumley groups > who lived in Pa.. The German Crumleys had changed their name from > Gramlich/Kramlich to Krumly/Crumley. The possiblity that the James Crumley > line is related to the German line seems remote and would have been prior > to the mid 1700's if at all. > > The book also lists Henry (1780-1864) and Stephen (1784-1837) Crumley who > moved to Fountain Co., In. and states that "family tradition" says they are > sons of George I. I believe this has been proven to be false. > > Ken in Orlando > > At 12:18 PM 04/12/2002 EDT, you wrote: > >Hi, Hugh, Jr! > > Thanks for letting me know that I wasn't committing an "illegal > >activity" by offering to print copies of my family's cherished Crumley "big > >book" compiled by your father. It is just such a wonderful thing & I've > >enjoyed it since I was a child. Didn't know how many original copies were > >still left out there but I wanted to share mine w/ whomever was interested. > >And it seems like there are ALOT of Crumleys out there interested in > >genealogy. Computers are a miracle of the modern age when it comes to this > >kind of research---makes info & staying in touch instantaneous! > > By the way, on another interesting little note.....It was my mom's > Uncle > >Cy (my great uncle who I only met once) who was the long-time conductor of > >the train called "Tweetsie" and whose photo your father saw in the newspaper > >in St. Louis that prompted his research....leading to his decades of hard > >work in the Crumley family genealogy research. I remember my mom telling me > >about your father who started his work when she was young at the time: > "This > >old man came to town and stayed for weeks. He went to all kinds of places > >searching for records and even out into the woods looking for old > >gravestones." In fact, I'm heading over to the Las Vegas area next week to > >visit my parents and I know she'll get a big kick out of me hearing from > Hugh > >Mottern, Jr. and from Ken Hodge, her cousin's son. Alot easier to keep > track > >of people this day and age as opposed to just a few yrs ago! > > Thanks for the "reprint permission" if needed! Patty in California > > > > >

Just a note of clarification. The 1930 Census doesn't show birthdates, only ages. However, I agree that dates be omitted for living people on the Website Hugh

> Just a note of clarification. The 1930 Census doesn't show birthdates, only > ages. However, I agree that dates be omitted for living people on the Website > Hugh Right, Hugh. Some folks seem to be sensitive about their age. Anyone born 1930 or earlier will have their age revealed without any help from us, just not the date of birth. Jerry

In a message dated 0412,2002 9:36:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Abraham Crumley b. 3/10/1793 > mJane McNees she d. 8-18-1845 in Green Co., Tenn > Children: > Writty (Rita) Crumleyb. 6-19-1831 > This is my line and I have documentation on all my entries I think. The main thing I want to point out now is that Writty (RITA) Crumley is incorrect. I spent many years on this subject and it is documented, I am sure. I really would like to get together with the person/s that are interested in this line because for some reason, I have lost out on the conversation on line lately and who is who! I am so happy to see this list become active but I have had a hard time getting used to it, it seems! If those interested in this line will speak up or e-mail me directly, I will be most happy to share what I have with you. My research began when I was a younger woman and that now is about 30 years ago, so there is a nice collection of Crumley "stuff!" Linda Hays Ker HAYS, INKS, CRUMLEY, BIBLE, BRITTON, MORTON, HORTON, HAYS, APPLE, SUMNER, MOORE, JONES, ETC.

In a message dated 4/14/2002 1:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > . Ged coms will more than likely be > fine, but I can accept FTM files, or just plain emails also How do I do that, Laurie?? I'm ready when you are:) Jean Crumley Barbour

Let's hold off for now. Laurie will be werestling with a lot of duplicate info if we don't give it to her in a organized way. This is going to be a big job for her. Jerry > > . Ged coms will more than likely be > > fine, but I can accept FTM files, or just plain emails also > > How do I do that, Laurie?? I'm ready when you are:) > > Jean Crumley Barbour >

> I would also like to see the lines of Valentine included in this web site. I > know Carol Paprocki is a descendant and another researcher who also lives in > Ohio. Sure, I just didn't know how many German lines there are. I haven't kept up with the messages on that branch as they've gone back and forth over the years. We'll need someone from that branch willing to collect and collate everyone's info. Jerry

> Since we all have James, etc or George etc, It seems like we should just be sending our information on our line , or we send to a sub committee , You're right, of course. That's what I'm trying to get a tiny handle on. We'll appoint a sub-chair for each major branch all the way down. Each sub-chair can communicate on the side with other relatives in that branch and set up sub-sub-chairs, etc. If it gets too messed up, we'll just have everyone sent their info directly to whomever volunteers to be the kidney and filter it. ha ha ha Jerry

On this I agree with Tricia. We certainly don't need the whole list sending in James I and Catherine. I suggested in my line to take Paul Nichols Crumley Web site which is on line and documented from James to William to James to Henry and than he goes on down to Robert ( his line ) . I branch off at Henry and could send in Andrew on down. A lot less duplication. As far as I know, there aren't anymore connected to Andrew Polk, out there - or is there? Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] question and my line > > Since we all have James, etc or George etc, It seems like we should just be sending our information on our line , or we send to a sub committee , like maybe Laurie, Shirley and I work on Spencer Crumley, then join Billy and Donna to work on Thomas C. etc. > No one should have to merge James or George's information a dozen times, trying to set this up. I know I'm not expressing myself very well but hopefully you get my drift. > > James m. Catherine Gilkey > John m. Hannah Faulkner > Thomas m. Ruth Morgan > Thomas C. m. Susan Terrell > Spencer m. Charlotte Rumbaugh > Charles m. Mary Midkiff > Donald m. Arlene Smith > Patricia m. Gayle R. Howard > > >

Well Jerry beat me to the punch on this and looks like we are thinking along the same line. My data is on Family Tree Maker vs 8.0. This software is very user friendly if you don't have one already. It also can be found from time to time for about 30 or 40 dollars with a mail-in rebate. I know others that use Brother's Keeper and it seems also to be user friendly. I own no stock in either. I descend from James, John, b. 1737; Thomas, b.3/1762; John b. 1795 William Oliver b. 1841; Thomas, b. 1868 Ken Crumbly

Tricia, My wife says, "...stubborn ain't the half of it...." ha Thanks for your confidence and the kind words. Ken Crumley List There seems to be a need for some sort of exec committee to bounce a few simple convention or system characteristics off of from time to time. Not necessary technical. I am going to talk with a man who has access to a few similar sites for other surnames and find out how they run theirs. We probably need also a tech group and I think Laurie and Larry have already volunteered for that duty. We will get there folks. We want to be sure we set it up so that all who need this type of interchange can get it regardless of their computer speed and personal skills. Hang in there. cuz At 01:03 PM 4/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >two cents from a rainy day in Oregon, but the Hummingbirds are flocking to >the feeder but my computer room window. > >I think Jerry and Ken would be good as co-chairs, they have both shown >their genealogy awareness or experts on this list. Also they both ask for >official documents to add something, which has been helpful to me. I've >learned so much from this list. >Chair people are just the facilitators for the group, reserving the >meeting place and times and making sure that things stay on track. You >both be good. > >Stubborn, that's every Crumley middle name, at least in our family, I >always figured that the English line meets the German one somewhere. >Happy Week=end >Tricia > >

Sorry folks, I just figured you all knew I use Family Tree Maker. vs. 9.0 FTM can do PAF, GEDCOM etc, so should be no problem. Tricia

Since we all have James, etc or George etc, It seems like we should just be sending our information on our line , or we send to a sub committee , like maybe Laurie, Shirley and I work on Spencer Crumley, then join Billy and Donna to work on Thomas C. etc. No one should have to merge James or George's information a dozen times, trying to set this up. I know I'm not expressing myself very well but hopefully you get my drift. James m. Catherine Gilkey John m. Hannah Faulkner Thomas m. Ruth Morgan Thomas C. m. Susan Terrell Spencer m. Charlotte Rumbaugh Charles m. Mary Midkiff Donald m. Arlene Smith Patricia m. Gayle R. Howard

I am descended from John Crumley through 2 of his sons, Benjamin and Thomas. I use FTM 9.0 Margie Skinner > So as a first cut at organizing this monster, send us your name, James and > Catharine's child that you're descended from, (or George), and tell us what > software you're using. Please keep track of the responses from your > particular line, because one of you will have to become the chairperson of > that line. > > Jerry > >

Truett, I'm a descendant of George Crumley but have access to a lot of records. I'd be more than happy to look for any elusive Crumleys you may have. I have a subscription to the Ancestry.com web site, FTM Genealogy Library and the 1880 census. I came across some info about a Newton Crumley who had several hotels and gambling casinos in Elko, Nev. if you would like the article on him. I also found a Jim Crumley in Va. who designed the camouflage design the evolved into the Trebark camouflage for hunters which evolved into a multi-million dollar business. Like to know which line he belongs. God bless, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Some Crumley Marriages in MO > Nancy, how do I go about secure the unfo on these films about the marriages > in MO.? Truett Sr. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geniebug" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:22 AM > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Some Crumley Marriages in MO > > > > Ken, Genealogy Library put the Missouri Marriage Record Index on their > web > > site recently. Perhaps this will help you to help Jerry. > > God bless, > > Nancy > > > > > > Crumley, Almildia J. > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Benjamin Pickett > > Marriage Date: Mar 02, 1876 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Amanda > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Jacob L. D. Cantrell > > Marriage Date: Nov 04, 1872 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Elizabeth C. > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: R. J. Maybee > > Marriage Date: Dec 07, 1879 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Elnora > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: H. V. Rice > > Marriage Date: Apr 05, 1887 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Elta > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Fredrick Blood > > Marriage Date: Jan 29, 1898 > > County: Clark > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 1014943 - 1014947 > > > > Crumley, Harriet > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Noah Haddock > > Marriage Date: Apr 21, 1861 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Jno. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Louisa Brown > > Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, John > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Louisa Brown > > Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, Mary > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: John White > > Marriage Date: Jan 16, 1870 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, Meredith N. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Mary E. Gibbens > > Marriage Date: Jul 27, 1873 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Olive > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: James R. Vasser > > Marriage Date: Jan 01, 1869 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Samuel > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Amanda H. Rains > > Marriage Date: Dec 08, 1867 > > County: Phelps > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0914751 - 0914754 > > > > Crumley, Spencer > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Sharlotte Rumbaugh > > Marriage Date: Apr 14, 1861 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Thomas H. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Mary A. Stinnet > > Marriage Date: Dec 29, 1883 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, William A. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Abbie W. Raybourn > > Marriage Date: Dec 23, 1883 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumly, John > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Sarah Haddock > > Marriage Date: Jun 12, 1860 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumly, William P. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Apaline Grate > > Marriage Date: Jan 20, 1883 > > County: Clark > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 1014943 - 1014947 > > > > >

Hi Truett, The web site doesn't say anything about the films. I'm thinking they are probably LDS Family History microfilm. Do you have an e-mail addy for Donna Hamby? She and a Carolyn Lee have a family tree posted on Ancestry.com and they have my gg grfather, Thomas Jefferson mar. Nancy Hickey, as the son of John Clark Crumley and Jane of Habarsham Co., Ga. I think my elderly cousin, Eleanor Grande, got confused and went along with it. They even posted an e-mail from her there. I need to get this straightened out. Thomas Jefferson Crumley mar. Nancy Hickey, was the son of John B. Crumley and Rebecca Jones of Carter Co., Tenn. Thanks, Nancy Lambert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Some Crumley Marriages in MO > Nancy, how do I go about secure the unfo on these films about the marriages > in MO.? Truett Sr. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geniebug" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:22 AM > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Some Crumley Marriages in MO > > > > Ken, Genealogy Library put the Missouri Marriage Record Index on their > web > > site recently. Perhaps this will help you to help Jerry. > > God bless, > > Nancy > > > > > > Crumley, Almildia J. > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Benjamin Pickett > > Marriage Date: Mar 02, 1876 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Amanda > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Jacob L. D. Cantrell > > Marriage Date: Nov 04, 1872 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Elizabeth C. > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: R. J. Maybee > > Marriage Date: Dec 07, 1879 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Elnora > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: H. V. Rice > > Marriage Date: Apr 05, 1887 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, Elta > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Fredrick Blood > > Marriage Date: Jan 29, 1898 > > County: Clark > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 1014943 - 1014947 > > > > Crumley, Harriet > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: Noah Haddock > > Marriage Date: Apr 21, 1861 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Jno. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Louisa Brown > > Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, John > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Louisa Brown > > Marriage Date: Dec 20, 1869 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, Mary > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: John White > > Marriage Date: Jan 16, 1870 > > County: Newton > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0929788 - 0929792 > > > > Crumley, Meredith N. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Mary E. Gibbens > > Marriage Date: Jul 27, 1873 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Olive > > Gender: Female > > Spouse: James R. Vasser > > Marriage Date: Jan 01, 1869 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Samuel > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Amanda H. Rains > > Marriage Date: Dec 08, 1867 > > County: Phelps > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0914751 - 0914754 > > > > Crumley, Spencer > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Sharlotte Rumbaugh > > Marriage Date: Apr 14, 1861 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumley, Thomas H. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Mary A. Stinnet > > Marriage Date: Dec 29, 1883 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumley, William A. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Abbie W. Raybourn > > Marriage Date: Dec 23, 1883 > > County: Bates > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0945187 - 0945192 > > > > Crumly, John > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Sarah Haddock > > Marriage Date: Jun 12, 1860 > > County: Barry > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 0931375 - 0931378 > > > > Crumly, William P. > > Gender: Male > > Spouse: Apaline Grate > > Marriage Date: Jan 20, 1883 > > County: Clark > > More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # > > 1014943 - 1014947 > > > > >