You're right, Arlettia, that these wills would be too early to mention Hannah Crumley. Online information (you know what I think of that) suggests John Mercer died, as you suggest, in 1749. Again, based on online information, Hannah had a sister Elizabeth - maybe she married a Morris. But, as you say, if the will is dated 1760, it's too early. There's only about a 9- or 10-year period in which Hannah was married to William Crumley, so any will naming her Crumley would have to have been written then. The online stuff is obviously suspect, but if you don't just assume it's true, it can sometimes give you good leads. For example, I see that Hannah's ancestors are traced back five generations into Ireland. It shouldn't be that difficult to check this out: John Mercer, b. 1594 in Ireland Rev. John Amos Mercer, b. 1620 in Hillsboro, County Down, Ireland; m. Elizabeth Aaron Moses Louis Mercer, b. 1654 in Hillsboro, County Down, Ireland; m. Lizzie Miller John Mercer, b. 1676 in Elizabeth, NJ; m. Sarah Moore Edward Mercer, b. 1704; m. Ann Coats Hannah Mercer, m. William Crumley -----Original Message----- From: Arlettia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children Hello Ken, Thanks so for the offer. I show it was her brother, John, who named her. She was also named in the will of Elizabeth Morris in 1760. Hannah wasn't married yet. My records show John died in 1749, unmarried. His will is on file and his father, Edward Mercer, was his administrator. ( Will book 1, pg 351) As I'm also showing that William and Hannah were married around 1763 0r 1764 from ages of children, it doesn't look like she would have been married when she inherited from these two wills, I'm afraid. Edward Mercer's will is dated 1762 and proved in 1763 and at that time she wasn't married, so it doesn't look like these two wills will be our answer. I hadn't look that deep until you asked. But - here's a thought. Maybe she inherited property that she carried into her marriage. There might be help there after all. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > Can you provide me Hannah Mercer's brother's name and I will search the > Library of VA in Richmond for a copy of the will. > > Ken > At 11:20 AM 4/20/02 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello > > I do agree with Paul on this one. Too much has just been passed from one > >to another with nothing supporting it, until it finally is treated as fact. > > And, Paul, I have heard where Hannah Mercer was named in her brother's > >will, but have never seen it. I wonder if anyone on line has a copy of it. > >If it is dated after the date of the marriage it would have her married name > >and that would do it. > > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:09 AM > >Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in > >1712. > > > It will be important for us to separate real documentation from sources > >such > > > as Family Tree Maker and LDS. > > > paul > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > > > Truett Sr. > > > > > > This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year > > > mentioned anywhere else. > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello Ken, Thanks so for the offer. I show it was her brother, John, who named her. She was also named in the will of Elizabeth Morris in 1760. Hannah wasn't married yet. My records show John died in 1749, unmarried. His will is on file and his father, Edward Mercer, was his administrator. ( Will book 1, pg 351) As I'm also showing that William and Hannah were married around 1763 0r 1764 from ages of children, it doesn't look like she would have been married when she inherited from these two wills, I'm afraid. Edward Mercer's will is dated 1762 and proved in 1763 and at that time she wasn't married, so it doesn't look like these two wills will be our answer. I hadn't look that deep until you asked. But - here's a thought. Maybe she inherited property that she carried into her marriage. There might be help there after all. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > Can you provide me Hannah Mercer's brother's name and I will search the > Library of VA in Richmond for a copy of the will. > > Ken > At 11:20 AM 4/20/02 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello > > I do agree with Paul on this one. Too much has just been passed from one > >to another with nothing supporting it, until it finally is treated as fact. > > And, Paul, I have heard where Hannah Mercer was named in her brother's > >will, but have never seen it. I wonder if anyone on line has a copy of it. > >If it is dated after the date of the marriage it would have her married name > >and that would do it. > > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:09 AM > >Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in > >1712. > > > It will be important for us to separate real documentation from sources > >such > > > as Family Tree Maker and LDS. > > > paul > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > > > Truett Sr. > > > > > > This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year > > > mentioned anywhere else. > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you provide me Hannah Mercer's brother's name and I will search the Library of VA in Richmond for a copy of the will. Ken At 11:20 AM 4/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >Hello > I do agree with Paul on this one. Too much has just been passed from one >to another with nothing supporting it, until it finally is treated as fact. > And, Paul, I have heard where Hannah Mercer was named in her brother's >will, but have never seen it. I wonder if anyone on line has a copy of it. >If it is dated after the date of the marriage it would have her married name >and that would do it. > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:09 AM >Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in >1712. > > It will be important for us to separate real documentation from sources >such > > as Family Tree Maker and LDS. > > paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > > Truett Sr. > > > > This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year > > mentioned anywhere else. > > Jerry > > > > >

Hello I do agree with Paul on this one. Too much has just been passed from one to another with nothing supporting it, until it finally is treated as fact. And, Paul, I have heard where Hannah Mercer was named in her brother's will, but have never seen it. I wonder if anyone on line has a copy of it. If it is dated after the date of the marriage it would have her married name and that would do it. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in 1712. > It will be important for us to separate real documentation from sources such > as Family Tree Maker and LDS. > paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > Truett Sr. > > This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year > mentioned anywhere else. > Jerry > >

I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in 1712. It will be important for us to separate real documentation from sources such as Family Tree Maker and LDS. paul -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. Truett Sr. This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year mentioned anywhere else. Jerry

Great! However, and I am not trying to be picky, lets keep your original numbering system for the first 106 since we have already had some information on those submitted to the group. Ken At 11:36 PM 4/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >I agree that this group should be added. After I get Truett's input, I can >interdigitate them into a new list. >paul > >-----Original Message----- >From: Truett Crumley [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:26 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Additions to 1850 census > >Paul Nichols, I think you should adds Ken` listing to the 106 Crumleys. >Many are related to the 106, but surname has been deviated. Truett Sr. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:11 AM >Subject: [CRUMLEY] Additions to 1850 census > > > > Paul , > > I recommend that the following be added to the 106. I have not attempted >to > > put numbers to these. I don't know if you want to do an Annex #1 or use >107 > > etc. > > These are all listed as being in GA in 1850. > > > > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > > > > I don't know either which way would be most helpful to the list. So I have > > sorted these same listings by page number. This also has a way of almost > > sorting by counties. At least it may help someone to see who was recorded > > on the same page. > > > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > > > > Two on the list may not belong to us. Crumbly, Duro in Wilkes Co and > > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277. > > > > I have not had time to search my database for these two. > > > > I think at this early stage Crumley Central is better served by putting > > them on until we can eliminate them. (Wow! that sounds harsh!) > > > > Laurie, the extras may better be listed on your list of unrelated >Crumleys! > > > >

> > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. Truett Sr. This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that year mentioned anywhere else. Jerry

Wow, Paul--What a treasure! Thanks for sharing. Jean

Yeah, probably. I have a hard time walking from the car to the grocery store and I am a bit younger than that! Course don't ride horses anymore either. Margie > >Robert must have been in very good health to walk from > > Birmingham to there.....Highway 11 does go to Collinsville. > > And he was 70 years old when he wrote the letter to C.W. Crumly. That would > be a long trek for anyone, much less a 70 your old person. Personally, I > suspect gggranddad Robert had a horse. */;-) > Jerry > >

Several of the references I have include a transcription of William Crumley's will. I scanned the following from Haunschild's book. The will mentions his 15 children - Number 10 is often read "Nancy," although this child was in fact named Mary. I looked at the original will, and it looks like "Nany," a couple of loops away from Mary. Here's the will: Berkeley County Court, Martinsburg, West Virginia. Will Book 2, pp 185-186 WILL OF WILLIAM CRUMLY IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN I William Crumly being weak in body but of perfect mind and memory praises be therefor given to Almighty God I do make constitute and ordain this my last wil1 and Testament in manner & form following first and principally I recommend my Soul unto the hands of Almighty God who gave it hoping through the Merits death and profession of Jesus Christ my Soverign and Savor to obtain Remission of all my sins and to inherit everlasting life and my Body to the Earth from whence it came to be decently buryed at the discretion of my Executors hereafter mentioned and as touching the Disposition of all such worldly Estate as it has pleased Almighty God to bestow upon me I leve and bequeath as follows First I will that all my just debts and funeral charges be fully paid and discharged Item I will that the Plantation which I purchased of my Brother John Crumly to be Sold by my Executors to the best advantage so as to make payments for the Same But not to be given to the purchaser till the Twenty Sixth March in the year of our Lord seven hundred and ninety five which is the expiration of John Antrams Lease upon it and when my executors do receive the whole of the purchase money for the said land they shall give to each of my children that is come of age the sum of Ten Pounds good and lawfu1 money Item I leave to my loving wife Sarah Crumly all the rest and residue of my estate both rail and personal during life or whilst she remains my widdow and my will is That my widdow Sarah Crumly shall Rays my children together to give them learning out of the profits that arises from my estate, the boys to read write & cifer The Girls to read and write and not to diminish any part of the childrens devidend thereby If the profits should be sufficient to maintain them and to give them their learning and my will is that if my widdow sees cause to alter her state and marry that my whole estate be sold and after deducting for raising and schooling my young children and paying and discharging all debts she have one third part of my whole estate the other two parts to be equally divided among my fifteen children after ading to each what they already have received, namely, James Ann William Cateron [Catharine] Aaron Jane Thomas Sarah Henry Nancy [Mary] Stephen Elizabeth John Martha and Rebecca and if either of them should depart this life before they arrive of age their part to be equally divided amongst all my surviving children And my will is if my wife Sarah Crumly remain a widdow Till death then the whole of my estate to be divided as before mentioned LASTLY I constitute ordain and appoint my good friend David Faulkner together with my well beloved wife Sarah Crumly Executors of this my last will and testament hereby revoking disannulling and making void all other wills testaments or Legacies heretofore made ordained or appointed ratifying & confirming this and this only to be my last will and testament in the presence of these Witnesses This 30 day of September in the year of our Lord 1792 Signed published & declared by WILLIAM CRUMLY the Testator as his last will and testement belfore these witnesses Wm Wilson Wm Doster John Watson, Senr. Jesse Rubell At a Court held for Berkeley County the 17th day of September 1793 This last will and testament of William Curmly, Dec'd, was proven by the oaths of William wilson, William Watson, Senr. William Doster and Jesse Rubell the witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded and on the motion of David Faulkner and Sarah Crumly the executors therin named who made oath therto according to law Certificate is granted them for obtaining a Probate thereof they giving Security Whereupon they with Thomas Faulkner and John Watson, entered into and acknowledged bond in the penalty of one thousand pounds conditioned for their true and faithful administration of said Estate. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Chairpersons In a message dated 4/18/2002 7:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I meant to say William's children were likely listed in order by age in his > will. > pln > If you have a copy, would you please share? Jean

In a message dated 4/19/2002 10:23:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. James` family was > given this land on this river from the Quakers. In fact, 70 Quaker > families > were given over 100,000 acres on this river which included James family. > When James died, he was living on a 600 acre plantation, Apple Ridge, near > Whithall, Frederick Co., Va. Truett Sr. Gee--I'm sure glad we've got YOU, Truett! Thanks again:) Jean

I agree that this group should be added. After I get Truett's input, I can interdigitate them into a new list. paul -----Original Message----- From: Truett Crumley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Additions to 1850 census Paul Nichols, I think you should adds Ken` listing to the 106 Crumleys. Many are related to the 106, but surname has been deviated. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Additions to 1850 census > Paul , > I recommend that the following be added to the 106. I have not attempted to > put numbers to these. I don't know if you want to do an Annex #1 or use 107 > etc. > These are all listed as being in GA in 1850. > > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > > I don't know either which way would be most helpful to the list. So I have > sorted these same listings by page number. This also has a way of almost > sorting by counties. At least it may help someone to see who was recorded > on the same page. > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > > Two on the list may not belong to us. Crumbly, Duro in Wilkes Co and > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277. > > I have not had time to search my database for these two. > > I think at this early stage Crumley Central is better served by putting > them on until we can eliminate them. (Wow! that sounds harsh!) > > Laurie, the extras may better be listed on your list of unrelated Crumleys! > >

I don't seem to have any real documentation for this marriage either. If John Mercer mentioned his sister Hannah Crumley in his will, that would be pretty good evidence. We should be able to check that out. There are other clues - her son is named Aaron Mercer Crumley, and Marti Combs says Hannah's daughter Catharine was involved in a legal battle over assets from a Mercer estate. paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] William and Hannah In a message dated 4/19/2002 5:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Help, will someone please send me the documentation for this marriage. > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > All I have on Hanna is that she is mentioned 1760 in her brother John's will, AND will of Elizabeth Morris, whoever she is:) Jean

Hi Ken I have documentation for the Sara Dunn marriage. From Hopewell Friends history, pg 500: The following: 5-12-1774 - Sara Crumley ( formerly Dun ) married contrary to discipline. Sara was the daughter of Jane Dunn and her father died before 1770. The was from Warrington MM. Hope someone has something on Hannah and William Arlettia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] William and Hannah > All I have is abt. 1761 and no source. > > His marriage to Sarah Dunn was about 1773 again no source. > I suspect that this is based on the ages of the children in each marriage. > > Ken Crumbly > > At 09:57 PM 4/19/02 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/19/2002 5:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >[email protected] writes: > > > > > > > Help, will someone please send me the documentation for this marriage. > > > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > > > > > >All I have on Hanna is that she is mentioned 1760 in her brother John's will, > >AND > >will of Elizabeth Morris, whoever she is:) > > > >Jean > >

Sidney Smith was the sixth child of Charles Heaton Crumley. He was my ggrandfather. He was born in Habersham Co., Ga and died in White Co., Ga. Buried in Chattacoochee Methodist Church Cemetery. White Co. I can help. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Charles Crumley > > I would be glad to help and have information on Sidney > > Smith Crumley, son of Charles Crumley. If you would > > like me to help, I would help anyway I can. > > > > Roxanna Bradley > > Great. I'll put you in my list of contacts. > Jerry >

Paul Nichols, I think you should adds Ken` listing to the 106 Crumleys. Many are related to the 106, but surname has been deviated. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Additions to 1850 census > Paul , > I recommend that the following be added to the 106. I have not attempted to > put numbers to these. I don't know if you want to do an Annex #1 or use 107 > etc. > These are all listed as being in GA in 1850. > > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > > I don't know either which way would be most helpful to the list. So I have > sorted these same listings by page number. This also has a way of almost > sorting by counties. At least it may help someone to see who was recorded > on the same page. > > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co Page 034 > Crumbie, William A.; Fayette, Co page 034 (this may be a duplication) > Crumby, Terrell; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumby, Thomas; Gordon, Co. Page 040 > Crumbie, James; Paulding, Co. Page 076 > Crumby, Anthony, Stewart, Co. Page 139 > Crumby, William M.; Murray, Co. Page 189 > Crumby, William; Gwinnett, Co. Page 231 > Crumby, Benjamin; Gwinett, Co. Page 231 > Crumbey, Benjamin; Habersham Co. Page 256 > Crumby, William S.; Habersham, Co. Page 258 > Crumbie, T.; Henry, Co. Page 260 > Crumby, Emaline, Washington, Co. Page 265 > Crumby, Henry M.; Habersham, Co. Page 272 > Crumby, Elender; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumby, John; Murray, Co. Page 273 > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277 > Crumbley, Valentine; Wilkes, Co. Page 337 > Crumbley, Rebecca; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbly, Duro; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, John; Wilkes, Co. Page 342 > Crumbley, Jesse; Wilkes, Co. Page 343 > Crumby, James C.; Randolph, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, Thomas C.; Gilmer, Co. Page 407 > Crumby, John; Gilmer, Co. Page 410 > Crumby, Thomas; Walker, Co. Page 454 > Crumby, Henry; Walker, Co. Page 469 > Crumby, Alexander; Walker, Co. Page 470 > > Two on the list may not belong to us. Crumbly, Duro in Wilkes Co and > Crumbig, J.; Henry, Co. Page 277. > > I have not had time to search my database for these two. > > I think at this early stage Crumley Central is better served by putting > them on until we can eliminate them. (Wow! that sounds harsh!) > > Laurie, the extras may better be listed on your list of unrelated Crumleys! > >

All I have is abt. 1761 and no source. His marriage to Sarah Dunn was about 1773 again no source. I suspect that this is based on the ages of the children in each marriage. Ken Crumbly At 09:57 PM 4/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/19/2002 5:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > > > > Help, will someone please send me the documentation for this marriage. > > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > > >All I have on Hanna is that she is mentioned 1760 in her brother John's will, >AND >will of Elizabeth Morris, whoever she is:) > >Jean

All info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. James` family was given this land on this river from the Quakers. In fact, 70 Quaker families were given over 100,000 acres on this river which included James family. When James died, he was living on a 600 acre plantation, Apple Ridge, near Whithall, Frederick Co., Va. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > In a message dated 4/18/2002 9:46:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > know just when James was born either, do we? Or where, for that > > matter. > > Then where did I get the information that James was born 1712 in Yorkshire > County in England? Also, Fact 2 in Family Tree Maker file says he arrived in > Chester Co., PA and purchased Opequan farm, 250 acres, from Giles Chapman, > Sr. ??? > > Help, Truett :) > > Jean >

Sure do. Actually we are double kin as her husband and I are 1st cousins on my Mom's side. Jo Hannah 423/476-5922 [email protected] was her e-mail for a while. Ken At 06:36 PM 4/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ken do you have an e-mail address for JoAnn Crumly Hannah, or snail mail >address, and or phone #. Many thank for all of you help. Peace Jerry L in Ok >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:34 PM >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Fw: relitives > > > > Jerry L. > > > > In my database is the following family. > > > > Abraham Crumley b. 3/10/1793 > > mJane McNees she d. 8-18-1845 in Green Co., Tenn > > Children: > > Writty (Rita) Crumleyb. 6-19-1831 > > William b. 10-4-1833 > > James Jones b. 4-22-1836 m. Esther Ellen Hockett > > Elizabeth Chloe b. 11-14-1839 > > Rhona b. 12-29-1841 > > Aaron H. II b12-23-1844 source is 1860 census indexed by Byron and Barbara > > Sistler, 1860 Census TN, Vol. 2, Indexed by Sistler, (1982 Nashville TN), > > page 21. > > > > This information I think was given to me by JoAnn Crumley Hannah in >Bradley > > Co. Tenn. > > Since it was not in my line it is not sourced completely and for this I > > deeply apologize to you. shall I try to run it down or is this enough to > > get you past the block??? > > BTW Abe's father was William b. 1767 Virginia; d. in Greene Co Tn (See >Paul > > Nichols site) > > Williams father was William son of James. > > > > Ken > > > > > > At 09:53 PM 4/11/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi! Crumly Clan. Still at a dead end "HELP" Jerry in Ok > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jerry L Crumly" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:19 PM > > >Subject: relitives > > > > > > > > > > Ed! My name is Jerry L Crumly. My Grandfather James Andrew Crumly And >his > > > > father Thomas Howard are buried in Scots cemetery between Butler and > > > > Amsterdam Mo. Thomas had five Brothers and two sisters. Their names >were > > >Al > > > > which was short for Albion, Sam, William, Owen, who I meant once, he >live > > >in > > > > Co the last I heard and Aaron. His sisters names were Alwilda, and >Deli. I > > > > did meet great aunt Alwilda, her married name was Picket. My Great > > > > Grandmother's name was Mary Agness ( Stinnett may not be spelled >right) > > > > Crumly. My Father Thomas Elmer Crumly told me that My GGreat >Grandmother's > > > > maiden name was Esther Hockett. I found a Esther Hockett on Ancestery > > >.com. > > > > She was married to a James Jones Crumley, but it only showed one >child, > > >her > > > > name was Alwilda. Nothing about the six boys and other daughter. You >are > > >one > > > > of the few Crumlys I have see on the web that has mentioned Crumlys in >MO > > >. > > > > If you help me I will be in your dept forever. I have hit a dead end. >My > > >dad told that Mary agness was Quaker, And had a big dairy farm just >outside > > >of Butler Mo. > > > > Peace > > > > Jerry L Crumly > > > > 1505 Berry Rd > > > > Ft Gibson Ok 74434 > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ken Jerry L here. There was a family bible, but I do not have access to it. All I have are a few pages That my dad put together before he passed away. I will try to get those together and send them to you as soon as can get them in the computer. Peace and thanks again. Jerry L from Ok ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Fw: relitives > Sure do. > Actually we are double kin as her husband and I are 1st cousins on my Mom's > side. > > Jo Hannah > 423/476-5922 > [email protected] > was her e-mail for a while. > Ken > > At 06:36 PM 4/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ken do you have an e-mail address for JoAnn Crumly Hannah, or snail mail > >address, and or phone #. Many thank for all of you help. Peace Jerry L in Ok > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Fw: relitives > > > > > > > Jerry L. > > > > > > In my database is the following family. > > > > > > Abraham Crumley b. 3/10/1793 > > > mJane McNees she d. 8-18-1845 in Green Co., Tenn > > > Children: > > > Writty (Rita) Crumleyb. 6-19-1831 > > > William b. 10-4-1833 > > > James Jones b. 4-22-1836 m. Esther Ellen Hockett > > > Elizabeth Chloe b. 11-14-1839 > > > Rhona b. 12-29-1841 > > > Aaron H. II b12-23-1844 source is 1860 census indexed by Byron and Barbara > > > Sistler, 1860 Census TN, Vol. 2, Indexed by Sistler, (1982 Nashville TN), > > > page 21. > > > > > > This information I think was given to me by JoAnn Crumley Hannah in > >Bradley > > > Co. Tenn. > > > Since it was not in my line it is not sourced completely and for this I > > > deeply apologize to you. shall I try to run it down or is this enough to > > > get you past the block??? > > > BTW Abe's father was William b. 1767 Virginia; d. in Greene Co Tn (See > >Paul > > > Nichols site) > > > Williams father was William son of James. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > At 09:53 PM 4/11/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hi! Crumly Clan. Still at a dead end "HELP" Jerry in Ok > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jerry L Crumly" <[email protected]> > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:19 PM > > > >Subject: relitives > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed! My name is Jerry L Crumly. My Grandfather James Andrew Crumly And > >his > > > > > father Thomas Howard are buried in Scots cemetery between Butler and > > > > > Amsterdam Mo. Thomas had five Brothers and two sisters. Their names > >were > > > >Al > > > > > which was short for Albion, Sam, William, Owen, who I meant once, he > >live > > > >in > > > > > Co the last I heard and Aaron. His sisters names were Alwilda, and > >Deli. I > > > > > did meet great aunt Alwilda, her married name was Picket. My Great > > > > > Grandmother's name was Mary Agness ( Stinnett may not be spelled > >right) > > > > > Crumly. My Father Thomas Elmer Crumly told me that My GGreat > >Grandmother's > > > > > maiden name was Esther Hockett. I found a Esther Hockett on Ancestery > > > >.com. > > > > > She was married to a James Jones Crumley, but it only showed one > >child, > > > >her > > > > > name was Alwilda. Nothing about the six boys and other daughter. You > >are > > > >one > > > > > of the few Crumlys I have see on the web that has mentioned Crumlys in > >MO > > > >. > > > > > If you help me I will be in your dept forever. I have hit a dead end. > >My > > > >dad told that Mary agness was Quaker, And had a big dairy farm just > >outside > > > >of Butler Mo. > > > > > Peace > > > > > Jerry L Crumly > > > > > 1505 Berry Rd > > > > > Ft Gibson Ok 74434 > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >