Hi All, In an unrelated note about Edward Mercer, I live in Philly, PA on Mercer St. in a house that was built in 1884 by an Edward Mercer Esq. now isn't that something? When I saw Edward Mercer in my file given to me by my mother I started to laugh. Just something to think about. Jen Cook White

Hello, I did join the Mercer list and put out a query. I received one back that said: " I didn't know Edward had a daughter named Hannah." But I did get one back that might be of some help on who Hannah's mother was. He said quote: " Edward, indeed, had two wives and your line comes from the same as mine - Anne Gamble. They had four sons, including my Aaron and two daughter, including your Hannah. See J Estgelle Stewart King's ABSTRACTS OF WILL, INVENTORIES, AND ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTS OF FREDERICK COUNTY, VA. 1743 - 1800 PAGE 25." Unquote. Is there anyone out there that could check this reference for us of this line. Sure would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Arlettia Crumley Fyfe

Hello I did email Mr. Keith Dull who is the author of the "Mercer Scam" web site I referred those of Mercer interests too. If you read what he had on that site you will have noted he was going to publish a book on those 74 boxes of papers in Lansing Michigan. This is the reply I received from him: Quote: " To date, I have found nothing on who Edwards's parents were, or even where he was born. The book is on hold for at least another couple years. I'm a professor, and I've been focused on research for tenure. I'll be glad when I can finish the book. Until then, I will be happy to answer questions where I can. Keith. " Unquote. No help there. Arlettia Fyfe

Thank you. I will wait for your answer. Good luck with the site. Mildred

Darlene, I have a Moses Crumley in my database. It appears that he was from a family in Tenn. What other information do you have on these Crumleys that would allow us to tie them into a line in the database. Were they residing in TX in 1850? Do you have a census reference on this family or a county in OK that we might find them in a census? Thanks, Ken Crumbly At 02:47 PM 4/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >I have a William Rance Logan Crummey (Crumly, Crumbley) in my family born in >1850 Talledega, AL. His father was from SC, his name thought to be >Moses Crummey.? William had one brother named Ebenezer Crummey and possibly >a sister. > >This family resided in Cass, TEXAS. Later they moved to OKLAHOMA. > >Thank you in advance, >Darlene

We're still in the planning stage for our site, Mildred. It'll be a few weeks or even months, then I'll look at who is chairman of your line. Jerry

Jerry, I spoke to you about my family line. Where and Who do I send it. I don't know what may already be on the net. I have scanned the genealogy report for my line and can send it. Mildred Madison

In a message dated 4/20/2002 10:21:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > it struck me as too > hilly to be very good for farming - certainly worse than Frederick County Don't know when you were there, but I made a number of visits to see the Crumley folk down there--probably around 1947 and later, but we visited the site where my husband's grandfather, Thomas had his farm. And we always payed our respects to the Dickerson graveyard. Jean Crumley Barbour

This is quite interesting - it explains in much more detail the Mercer scam that Marti mentioned. Perhaps the best evidence that Catharine Crumley's mother was in fact Hannah Mercer, is hidden somewhere in the 74 boxes of files stored at the Michigan State Archives. The web page referenced below presents the most common fake Mercer genealogy, which, of course, is the one I listed this afternoon. At least I said it should be easy to check. paul -----Original Message----- From: Arlettia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CRUMLEY] Mercer Hello list, This site is of great interest to those interested in the Mercer line, connected to William Crumley, son of James and Catherine. Go to: http://www.wisecomp.com/ccl/MercerFraud.htm Arlettia

These Harrison County Crumleys are children of Thomas, son of William. Larry Dickerson has done considerable research on this family - see his note dated April 9. It's interesting that not only did 3 of William's children moved to Harrison County, Ohio - Thomas, and his sisters Mary Heberling and Rebecca Wright - but also, as I mentioned before, the Irish immigrant James Crumley (b. 1801). I'm sure Larry is more familiar with the county than I am, but when I drove through a couple of years ago, it struck me as too hilly to be very good for farming - certainly worse than Frederick County, Virginia. paul -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CRUMLEY] Ohio cousins <snip> >here are other Crumleys listed > in > "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of Ohio" by Charles > A. Hanna. Thanks, Jean. Are these your line, Paul? If so, can I assume they're in your database? Jerry > Ira Crumley and Jane Dickerson, married Jan. 30, 1840 by Rev. Parden Cook > Samuel Crumley and Betsey Dickerson, married Sept. 4, 1823 by Rev James > Roberts > Eli Dickerson married to Sarah Crumley Sept 12, 1822 by Rev, James Roberts > > The book states "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of > Ohio > with lists of the first land-owners, early marriages (to 1841), burial > records of the early settlements, and numerous genealogies". > > For what it's worth--Jean Crumley Barbour >

Hello list, This site is of great interest to those interested in the Mercer line, connected to William Crumley, son of James and Catherine. Go to: http://www.wisecomp.com/ccl/MercerFraud.htm Arlettia

In a message dated 4/20/2002 6:37:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I have that he was born 1712 in Yorkshire Co., England > > Yes, but where does this tid bit of information come from? LDS data is not > acceptable. > Jerry > Can't locate the source for that, Jerry--but here are other Crumleys listed in "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of Ohio" by Charles A. Hanna. Ira Crumley and Jane Dickerson, married Jan. 30, 1840 by Rev. Parden Cook Samuel Crumley and Betsey Dickerson, married Sept. 4, 1823 by Rev James Roberts Eli Dickerson married to Sarah Crumley Sept 12, 1822 by Rev, James Roberts The book states "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of Ohio with lists of the first land-owners, early marriages (to 1841), burial records of the early settlements, and numerous genealogies". For what it's worth--Jean Crumley Barbour

<snip> >here are other Crumleys listed > in > "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of Ohio" by Charles > A. Hanna. Thanks, Jean. Are these your line, Paul? If so, can I assume they're in your database? Jerry > Ira Crumley and Jane Dickerson, married Jan. 30, 1840 by Rev. Parden Cook > Samuel Crumley and Betsey Dickerson, married Sept. 4, 1823 by Rev James > Roberts > Eli Dickerson married to Sarah Crumley Sept 12, 1822 by Rev, James Roberts > > The book states "Historical Collections of Harrison County in the State of > Ohio > with lists of the first land-owners, early marriages (to 1841), burial > records of the early settlements, and numerous genealogies". > > For what it's worth--Jean Crumley Barbour >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > I have that he was born 1712 in Yorkshire Co., England Yes, but where does this tid bit of information come from? LDS data is not acceptable. Jerry

In a message dated 4/20/2002 11:50:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Can you provide me Hannah Mercer's brother's name and I will search the > Library of VA in Richmond for a copy of the will. I have her brother's name as John. The will is dated 1760. Another puzzle---she is also mentioned in the will of an Elizabeth Morris. Good hunting! Jean

In a message dated 4/20/2002 9:49:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > Truett Sr. > I have that he was born 1712 in Yorkshire Co., England Jean

Paul, maybe you have this information. A Mercer researcher quotes a Mercer history that Edward Mercer had two wives. He claimed his first wife was Ann Coats. She was suppose to have died before he came to America and they had the following children: Richard Elizabeth ( she married William Heath and he was named in her brother John's will.) John Moses Than Edward married a 2nd time and the 2nd wife's name was Ann Gamble. There children were: Hannah Edward Aaron So I guess what I'm asking is, do we know who Hannah's mother was - documented? And did Edward have two wives? Arlettia

Wow, wouldn't it be fun to research those papers!!! All points to Hannah being a Mercer, doesn't it? Arlettia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] More Mercer information Marti Combs sent me the following information that's relevant to Hannah being a Mercer. She's descended from Hannah's daughter Catharine and her first husband John Eyre. Maybe someone lives near Lansing and can check out the papers she refers to. When my father died 6 years ago, we found a box of over 300 letters and personal papers belonging to Robert Smith Eyre and much of the information dealt with the Eyre family history. It appears that Robert and other Eyre's were actively involved in what at the time was called the Mercer Estate Association - I now affectionately call it the Mercer Scam - but it left me a wealth of information. Catherine's birth date was listed in the papers - letters from relatives, etc. Of note is that in order to receive any of the associated "millions of dollars" from the Mercer Estate, documentation of marriages, births, etc. had to be submitted. As I understand it, many of these documents were saved as a court case evolved. The court file is now part of the (if I remember right) BOGARDUS Collection, at the state library in Lansing, MI. As I understand, it is not indexed and at some time I hope to get there just to see what all is there. The connection the Eyre's were after was Catherine's mother, Hannah Mercer.

Marti Combs sent me the following information that’s relevant to Hannah being a Mercer. She’s descended from Hannah’s daughter Catharine and her first husband John Eyre. Maybe someone lives near Lansing and can check out the papers she refers to. When my father died 6 years ago, we found a box of over 300 letters and personal papers belonging to Robert Smith Eyre and much of the information dealt with the Eyre family history. It appears that Robert and other Eyre's were actively involved in what at the time was called the Mercer Estate Association - I now affectionately call it the Mercer Scam - but it left me a wealth of information. Catherine's birth date was listed in the papers - letters from relatives, etc. Of note is that in order to receive any of the associated "millions of dollars" from the Mercer Estate, documentation of marriages, births, etc. had to be submitted. As I understand it, many of these documents were saved as a court case evolved. The court file is now part of the (if I remember right) BOGARDUS Collection, at the state library in Lansing, MI. As I understand, it is not indexed and at some time I hope to get there just to see what all is there. The connection the Eyre's were after was Catherine's mother, Hannah Mercer.

Paul, I have the date and book number of Paul's will. That should be easy to check, and I don't think that is on line info. I believe, but not positive, I picked it up in Salt Lake out of a index of wills. The other, your right, came from another researcher. One of the main Mercer researchers doesn't even recognize Hannah - period. But maybe by going to the Mercer list someone might have some information there. Anything is worth a try. Arlettia Crumley Fyfe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > You're right, Arlettia, that these wills would be too early to mention > Hannah Crumley. Online information (you know what I think of that) suggests > John Mercer died, as you suggest, in 1749. Again, based on online > information, Hannah had a sister Elizabeth - maybe she married a Morris. > But, as you say, if the will is dated 1760, it's too early. There's only > about a 9- or 10-year period in which Hannah was married to William Crumley, > so any will naming her Crumley would have to have been written then. > > The online stuff is obviously suspect, but if you don't just assume it's > true, it can sometimes give you good leads. For example, I see that Hannah's > ancestors are traced back five generations into Ireland. It shouldn't be > that difficult to check this out: > John Mercer, b. 1594 in Ireland > Rev. John Amos Mercer, b. 1620 in Hillsboro, County Down, Ireland; m. > Elizabeth Aaron > Moses Louis Mercer, b. 1654 in Hillsboro, County Down, Ireland; m. Lizzie > Miller > John Mercer, b. 1676 in Elizabeth, NJ; m. Sarah Moore > Edward Mercer, b. 1704; m. Ann Coats > Hannah Mercer, m. William Crumley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arlettia [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > Hello Ken, > Thanks so for the offer. I show it was her brother, John, who named > her. She was also named in the will of Elizabeth Morris in 1760. Hannah > wasn't married yet. > My records show John died in 1749, unmarried. His will is on file and > his father, Edward Mercer, was his administrator. ( Will book 1, pg 351) > As I'm also showing that William and Hannah were married around 1763 0r > 1764 from ages of children, it doesn't look like she would have been married > when she inherited from these two wills, I'm afraid. Edward Mercer's will > is dated 1762 and proved in 1763 and at that time she wasn't married, so it > doesn't look like these two wills will be our answer. I hadn't look that > deep until you asked. > But - here's a thought. Maybe she inherited property that she carried > into her marriage. There might be help there after all. > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > Can you provide me Hannah Mercer's brother's name and I will search the > > Library of VA in Richmond for a copy of the will. > > > > Ken > > At 11:20 AM 4/20/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >Hello > > > I do agree with Paul on this one. Too much has just been passed from > one > > >to another with nothing supporting it, until it finally is treated as > fact. > > > And, Paul, I have heard where Hannah Mercer was named in her > brother's > > >will, but have never seen it. I wonder if anyone on line has a copy of > it. > > >If it is dated after the date of the marriage it would have her married > name > > >and that would do it. > > > Arlettia Crumley Fyfe > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Paul Nichols" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:09 AM > > >Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > > > > I believe there is no credible evidence that James Crumley was born in > > >1712. > > > > It will be important for us to separate real documentation from > sources > > >such > > > > as Family Tree Maker and LDS. > > > > paul > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jerry Crumly [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:47 AM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] James' children > > > > > > > > > > l info that I have point to James` birthdate as 1712. > > > > Truett Sr. > > > > > > > > This isn't from the LDS data by itself, is it? I've never seen that > year > > > > mentioned anywhere else. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >