Roger, After seeing the questions about General Crumley, Vernon remembered the name because of it being so unusual and found our information we had gotten off his tombstone.. Years ago, maybe 20 or 22 years ago, we were in Georgia and while we were there we did some searching for information on Vernon's mother's family... Kimsey . We were in a cemetery at Chattahoochee Baptist Church out of Clarksville, Ga. and saw a marker for General Mardy Crumley b. 7-29-1893 d. 9-30- 1918. This seems to be the same one Rich was talking about. Since we didn't know how to tie him into any of our line of Crumlys, we had not thought any more about it. But I did copy all the information off his marker while we were there because of the name. Glad we got it now... wish we had taken a picture.. but didn't. So with out a picture, what I have is not documented, but if someone, maybe close by, can find it, it can be documented. And the middle name is MARDY. We had noticed that the info Rich has, mentioned him dying aboard a ship and I wondered about his burial site... I am wondering if it was just a marker or if somehow they were able to send his body back. In those early years, I didn't figure they could and am wondering if he might have been buried at sea and someone just put a marker up in his memory.. ?? Just some idle wonderings...?? Another thing I wondered about... is his name GENERAL or was he a general in the army? Hope this will help. Ruth Crumly .. Alabama cousins On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:02:14 EDT [email protected] writes: > I have a question about General Mardy Crumley. Are we talking the General Crumley born to James Alexander Crumley and Sarah Robinson July 29th, 1893? The reason I ask is I have him in my records as General Hardy Crumley? I don't know where I got this...except that the name origin ...by my thinking. > General would have been from Nancy Jackson's brother who died in the civil war on May 26, 1862. Now...this would have been this General's Great Uncle. > Yes, I have him down as General M. I have no middle name...and I didn't find any in the records. Just as I have never found out Leander's middle name to go with the "F". As to the Hardy in his middle name, this would have been his GGrandfather's name on the Jackson side (Nancy's father). As I said, this is just my thinking...or am I out in left field? Does anyone have documentation of the name Mardy? I can see how the H and M could be confused, but I have no idea for sure which is correct now. Roger Kirk > > -------------------------------------------------- The Crumly's [email protected]

I have a question about General Mardy Crumley. Are we talking the General Crumley born to James Alexander Crumley and Sarah Robinson July 29th, 1893? The reason I ask is I have him in my records as General Hardy Crumley? I don't know where I got this...except that the name origin ...by my thinking. General would have been from Nancy Jackson's brother who died in the civil war on May 26, 1862. Now...this would have been this General's Great Uncle. Yes, I have him down as General M. I have no middle name...and I didn't find any in the records. Just as I have never found out Leander's middle name to go with the "F". As to the Hardy in his middle name, this would have been his GGrandfather's name on the Jackson side (Nancy's father). As I said, this is just my thinking...or am I out in left field? Does anyone have documentation of the name Mardy? I can see how the H and M could be confused, but I have no idea for sure which is correct now. Roger Kirk

Many thanks to you, Vernon and Ruth Crumley! Guess many of us have "checked out" those Habersham Cemeteries over the years. I am not the expert on General Crumley but do think there was question about his burial site. Rich is more likely to answer this for us, I think. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your info with us. Judy

Alan, in your listing of Isaac Crumley children, you listed Lydia with 1857, was this her birth, marriage, or death? The man she md was b. 1820 and d. in 1892. EXPLAIN. Rachel Brown (1st spouse) d. bef 1850 Census of Lee Co., Va.. Isaac md Mary B Gibson (2nd spouse) probable in 1851. Alan, there was a Isaac Crumley enlisted in the 64th Va. Infantry during the Civil War. WAS THIS ISAAC - THE FATHER OR SON? Let me hear from you ASAP. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan T. Leach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] 1850 census > Truett, Isaac only had 11 children that I know of. They are: > > 1 Isaac Crumley 1797 - 1887 > . +Rachel Brown 1785 - > .......... 2 Lydia Crumley - 1857 > .............. +Valentine S. Babb 1820 - 1892 > .......... 2 T. P. Crumley > .......... 2 William P. Crumley 1824 - 1862 > .............. +Elizabeth Deemer - 1912 > .......... 2 Sylvanus Goodson Crumley 1826 - 1918 > .............. +Martha Jane Wynkoop 1836 - 1915 > .......... 2 Hannah H. Crumley 1828 - 1918 > .............. +William K. Babb - 1855 > .......... *2nd Husband of Hannah H. Crumley: > .............. +Thomas J. Smith - 1880 > .......... 2 Isaac D. Crumley 1830 - 1862 > .............. +Mary B. Smith 1837 - 1863 > .......... 2 Asenath Crumley 1832 - 1910 > .............. +Isaac H. Brown 1828 - 1863 > .......... *2nd Husband of Asenath Crumley: > .............. +John B. John > .......... 2 Mary Ann Crumley 1834 - > .............. +Watson Bell > .......... 2 Jacob Hicks Crumley 1837 - 1919 > .............. +Sarah Scott 1839 - > .......... 2 Jotham Crumley 1839 - 1862 > .......... 2 Alfred Crumley 1840 - 1909 > .............. +Matilda Rinehart 1844 - 1895 > *2nd Wife of Isaac Crumley: > . +Mary B. Gibson 1811 - 1862 > > > Truett Crumley wrote: > > > Alan Leach, would you again list the 14 children of this ISAAC Crumley who > > died in Greene Co., Iowa? I can only list 9 which are: 1 - Wm P (1824); > > 2 - Silvanus (1826); 3 - Hannah H. (1828); 4 - Isaac Jr. (1830); 5 - Asenath > > (1832); 6 - Mary A. (1834); 7 - Jacob Hicks (1836); 8 - Jotham (1838); and > > Alfred (1840). Alan, let me hear from you. Truett Sr. > > --- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan T. Leach" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] 1850 census > > > > > #46 Isaac Crumley: James, William, William > > > > > > Note, many sources on the Internet have Isaac born in 1787 and marrying > > Rachel > > > Brown 1805. One source has him born in 1797 and marrying in 1815, and I > > believe > > > this latter source is correct, because Isaac was listed in the 1850 census > > as > > > being 52/53 years old, and his death was recorded in Greene County, Iowa > > on 10 > > > Feb 1887 at the age of 90. Three of his older children (William P. > > Crumley, > > > Sylvanus Goodson Crumley and Lydia (Crumley) Babb) west west in a covered > > wagon > > > in 1850. Isaac, with his second wife, followed in 1852 with the rest of > > his 11 > > > children. I have information on most of his children, but lack > > information on > > > one of the younger children, T. P. Crumley, who was still alive and living > > in > > > Twin Falls, Idaho at the time of the death of his brother Sylvanus Goodson > > in > > > 1918 at the age of 92. Does anyone have information on T. P. Crumley? > > > > > > Alan Leach > > > >

Truett, Isaac only had 11 children that I know of. They are: 1 Isaac Crumley 1797 - 1887 . +Rachel Brown 1785 - .......... 2 Lydia Crumley - 1857 .............. +Valentine S. Babb 1820 - 1892 .......... 2 T. P. Crumley .......... 2 William P. Crumley 1824 - 1862 .............. +Elizabeth Deemer - 1912 .......... 2 Sylvanus Goodson Crumley 1826 - 1918 .............. +Martha Jane Wynkoop 1836 - 1915 .......... 2 Hannah H. Crumley 1828 - 1918 .............. +William K. Babb - 1855 .......... *2nd Husband of Hannah H. Crumley: .............. +Thomas J. Smith - 1880 .......... 2 Isaac D. Crumley 1830 - 1862 .............. +Mary B. Smith 1837 - 1863 .......... 2 Asenath Crumley 1832 - 1910 .............. +Isaac H. Brown 1828 - 1863 .......... *2nd Husband of Asenath Crumley: .............. +John B. John .......... 2 Mary Ann Crumley 1834 - .............. +Watson Bell .......... 2 Jacob Hicks Crumley 1837 - 1919 .............. +Sarah Scott 1839 - .......... 2 Jotham Crumley 1839 - 1862 .......... 2 Alfred Crumley 1840 - 1909 .............. +Matilda Rinehart 1844 - 1895 *2nd Wife of Isaac Crumley: . +Mary B. Gibson 1811 - 1862 Truett Crumley wrote: > Alan Leach, would you again list the 14 children of this ISAAC Crumley who > died in Greene Co., Iowa? I can only list 9 which are: 1 - Wm P (1824); > 2 - Silvanus (1826); 3 - Hannah H. (1828); 4 - Isaac Jr. (1830); 5 - Asenath > (1832); 6 - Mary A. (1834); 7 - Jacob Hicks (1836); 8 - Jotham (1838); and > Alfred (1840). Alan, let me hear from you. Truett Sr. > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan T. Leach" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] 1850 census > > > #46 Isaac Crumley: James, William, William > > > > Note, many sources on the Internet have Isaac born in 1787 and marrying > Rachel > > Brown 1805. One source has him born in 1797 and marrying in 1815, and I > believe > > this latter source is correct, because Isaac was listed in the 1850 census > as > > being 52/53 years old, and his death was recorded in Greene County, Iowa > on 10 > > Feb 1887 at the age of 90. Three of his older children (William P. > Crumley, > > Sylvanus Goodson Crumley and Lydia (Crumley) Babb) west west in a covered > wagon > > in 1850. Isaac, with his second wife, followed in 1852 with the rest of > his 11 > > children. I have information on most of his children, but lack > information on > > one of the younger children, T. P. Crumley, who was still alive and living > in > > Twin Falls, Idaho at the time of the death of his brother Sylvanus Goodson > in > > 1918 at the age of 92. Does anyone have information on T. P. Crumley? > > > > Alan Leach > >

Ken, You are right. This was my father`s younger brother. He was killed in an auto accident caused a UPS driver. My dad was named Charlie. There were only 2 boys out of a family of 10 children. William Smith never md.. Lora was my fathers` older sister who never md also. My father was buried in West Hill Cemetery, Dalton, Whitfield Co., Ga.. Many of my father`s kinfolks are buried in the Chattacoochee Methodist Church Cemetery. The church is still in existence today. The church was the setting for the 1949 movie "I`ve climbed the Highest Mountain" starring Susan Hayward. A GREAT MOVIE. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth & Clara Crumbly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: [CRUMLEY] A third W. S. Crumley?? > Truett, > Was there not a third William Smith Crumley? b. 12/26/1907 d. 3/16/1979 > buried in Chattahoochee Methodist Church Cemetery See....Habersham & White > Counties cemeteries by NE GA Reg. Library; Page 126. > > He was the son of William Thomas Crumley and Ruthy Roxie Cleveland. and > they lived in Habersham Co. GA. > He had a sister Lora Estell Crumley b. 1/29/1898 d. 4/29/1934 > > Maybe I have him attached to the wrong family??? > > Ken >

Paul Nichols, Have you had time to put numbers on the extra Crumleys in the list I sent last week? If so please forward me a copy of the new number list. I am constructing a searchable data base using M/S Works to help us in identifying all Crumley, Crumly, Crumbly, Crumbley etc who were alive and counted on the 1850 census. In talking with Jerry, it may be the easiest way to get Crumleycentral started. Also, it may be easier to work with the 1850 list until we have the system debugged. Then we can start adding 10 year or generation increments or something. Thanks for all you do. Ken

Truett, Was there not a third William Smith Crumley? b. 12/26/1907 d. 3/16/1979 buried in Chattahoochee Methodist Church Cemetery See....Habersham & White Counties cemeteries by NE GA Reg. Library; Page 126. He was the son of William Thomas Crumley and Ruthy Roxie Cleveland. and they lived in Habersham Co. GA. He had a sister Lora Estell Crumley b. 1/29/1898 d. 4/29/1934 Maybe I have him attached to the wrong family??? Ken

Billy, thanks to you, Truett and Faustene for revisiting this line. I'll mark that paragraph in my old research paper as proven false so I don't bring it up again in a few years after forgetting all this discussion. */;-) Jerry

----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Joan (Gregory) Crumley <snip> >It is belived they > are buried in the Old Salem Methodist Church Cemetery which is about two > miles from the church off US129 on a mtn ridge. The church went out of > existence about the time the regular Methodist merged with the United > Methodist. <snip> When I tried to find that cemetery several years ago, it was virtually unmarked, off a little dirt roadway leading up the mountain to a chicken processing plant. If you didn't know where it was you'd never find it. I had stopped and asked about it at a house at the base of the hill where a retired man had built a small place to live. I drove my four-wheel drive up the road with him navigating. We walked around among the few tombstones that are still there. Some had been replaced within the past few years, but most were not legible due to natural erosion of the stones over the years. Benjamin or Hannah's tombs were never found. Jerry

Billy, as far as I have researched and gathered info, this Benjamin (the youngest s/o of John Cromley (Crumley) had only one spouse (Hannah Plunkett). This Benjamin was born in Newberry Co., SC on 8-20-1779 to John and Hannah Falconer (Faulkner) as the only son born in SC. Hannah Plunkett was born in Newberry Co on 2-15-178o to Robert and Margaret Murdock. This Benjamin and Hannah Plunkett md about 1799 and migrated to Habersham Co., Ga in the mid 1820s. Benjamin and Hannah moved to the now Choestoe District, Union Co., Ga ( Truett`s birthplace). Probably the reason they moved to Union Co was to be near some of their children (Charles Newell Crumley Sr.). Hannah died 5-31-1862. This Benjamin died 12-29-1869. It is belived they are buried in the Old Salem Methodist Church Cemetery which is about two miles from the church off US129 on a mtn ridge. The church went out of existence about the time the regular Methodist merged with the United Methodist. Benjamin and Hannah were Methodist. Union Co is a very beautiful area of North Georgia nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains. The Cherokee Indians really loved this area as they hugged the trees when forced to the Reservation. Many of the districts of this area carry Indian names - Hiawasse, Arkquah, Choestoe, Owltown etc. So Billy, I find that this Benjamin was md to only Hannah Plunkett. Truett Sr.----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Joan (Gregory) Crumley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:25 AM > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Joan (Gregory) Crumley > > > > Can anyone offer documentation that Joan Gregory was the first wife of > > Benjamin Crumley of Newberry SC, later Habersham, GA, and that Joan and > > Benjamin were the parents of William Smith Crumley? > > > > I was going back through some old files looking for something and came > > across this. > > Jerry > > > > Jerry, > > I have two William Smith Crumleys. #1 was born April 4, 1794, Newberry > County, SC, married to Elizabeth Jones Monroe. His parents are Charles > Crumley and Rebecca Heaton. > > The second was born January 2, 1829, in Georgia. He married Cynthia King in > Gwinett County, GA. He parents are Benjamin Crumley and Margaret Brooks. > > I do not have a Joan Gregory in my data base, but show William Smith Crumley > #1 as having a sister Joan. > > There are children for both families. Billy Cox > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Joan (Gregory) Crumley > Can anyone offer documentation that Joan Gregory was the first wife of > Benjamin Crumley of Newberry SC, later Habersham, GA, and that Joan and > Benjamin were the parents of William Smith Crumley? > > I was going back through some old files looking for something and came > across this. > Jerry > Jerry, I have two William Smith Crumleys. #1 was born April 4, 1794, Newberry County, SC, married to Elizabeth Jones Monroe. His parents are Charles Crumley and Rebecca Heaton. The second was born January 2, 1829, in Georgia. He married Cynthia King in Gwinett County, GA. He parents are Benjamin Crumley and Margaret Brooks. I do not have a Joan Gregory in my data base, but show William Smith Crumley #1 as having a sister Joan. There are children for both families. Billy Cox [email protected]

> William S. Crumley born 1-2-1829 to Cynthia King. This William S. Crumley > was the son of Benjamin Crumley (Newberry Co.) born 1789 and Margaret Brooks. > Judy Well whoever wrote the page I was reading wihtth the bogus information on it started out by mixing up this Benjamin b: 1789 and the other b: 20Aug1779. Then he mixed up the spouses. Thanks, Jerry

That's it Truett. Thanks for clearing it up. This is the person we discussed on teh phome last year. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Joan Gregory and William Smith Crumley > Jerry, there were two William Smith Crumleys. The older William Smith was > the third and youngest child of Charles Cromley (Crumley) who married a > Heaton in Newberry Co., SC.. The younger William Smith was the son of > Benjamin and Margaret Brooks Crumley.

Jerry, there were two William Smith Crumleys. The older William Smith was the third and youngest child of Charles Cromley (Crumley) who married a Heaton in Newberry Co., SC.. The younger William Smith was the son of Benjamin and Margaret Brooks Crumley. This Benjamin was the older brother of William Smith belonging to Charles Crumley. Charles and Rebecca Heaton Crumley had three children: Joan (md a Gregory). Benjamin (md a Brooks), and William Smith (md Elizabeth Jones Monroe.) I am in agreement with Fauntine, and Mildred Madison. This Benjamin who md a Brooks had 11 children and this family lived in Gwinnett Co., Ga. near Sawunee and Lawrenceville, Ga.. This Benjamin had a son named William Smith who md a Cynthia King Truett Sr.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Joan Gregory and William Smith Crumley > That's what I had discussed with Truett several years ago, Faustene. I found > this "research paper" quoting the Annals of Newberry County with a little > sticky note on it from you which said you got it from Billy Cox. My records > do not show any of this to be true, but I thought I had overlooked another > William Smith Crumley. > Thanks, > Jerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Heilman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:12 PM > Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] Joan Gregory and William Smith Crumley > > > <snip> > > I descend from William Smith Crumley and no, I did not do any research on > > the info re Joan Gregory. > <snip> >

William S. Crumley born 1-10-1794 to Rachael P. Heaton William S. Crumley born 1-2-1829 to Cynthia King. This William S. Crumley was the son of Benjamin Crumley (Newberry Co.) born 1789 and Margaret Brooks. Judy

Thank you Faustene! For a moment I thought I was having a "Senior Moment" or something. I have material that is agreement with your own. At present time I can not get to my earlier records as they are still in storage, but my database should be correct. Judy

Please clarify which of the two William Smith Crumley's you are referring to, please? I descend via Charles Heaton , the son of one of these William's. Judy

That's what I had discussed with Truett several years ago, Faustene. I found this "research paper" quoting the Annals of Newberry County with a little sticky note on it from you which said you got it from Billy Cox. My records do not show any of this to be true, but I thought I had overlooked another William Smith Crumley. Thanks, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heilman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [CRUMLEY] Joan Gregory and William Smith Crumley <snip> > I descend from William Smith Crumley and no, I did not do any research on > the info re Joan Gregory. <snip>

I need to correct my first email. It should have said......She is NOT the mother of William Smith Crumley. His mother is Rachel Parthenia Heaton. Faustene Jerry...... I descend from William Smith Crumley and no, I did not do any research on the info re Joan Gregory. She is NOT the wife of William Smith Crumley. His wife was Elizabeth Jones Monroe, b. Nov 15, 1790 in Laurens Co., SC, d. Jan 19, 1836 in Sautee, GA. William Smith Crumley was born April 4, 1794 as third child to Charles and Parthenia Heaton Crumley of Newberry Co., SC. Charles was the second son of John Crumley, who migrated from Frederick Co., VA (now Berkeley Co., WV) to Newberry Co. in the 1770's. William Smith Crumley's father died around 1800 and his widow later married John Dalton of Newberry Co. It has been determined that William had an older sister, named Joan. After the death of his father, William went to live with his uncle, Thomas Crumley, in Spartenburg Co., SC until his marriage to Elizabeth Jones Monroe around 1813/14. Thomas carried William Smith as his son on the 1800 and 1810 Censuses of Spartenburg Co., SC. Faustene Crumley Heilman My info comes from a typewritten xerox of a page sent me by Faustene Heilman, who got it from Billy Cox. I don't believe either one of them did the original research, so I'm just covering everybody's six. BTW, anyone on this list descended from this William Smith Crumley? Jerry