Martin Gramlich/Crumley listed below born in Baden and settled in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO. . In church and cemetery records in MO and later censuses, they are listed as Gramlich. In early census records they were listed as Gramlee or Crumley as that is how the name sounded to the census takers.(Gram lich=Gram lee) I'm sure this is the family that Ed. W. Crumley has been looking for. I have sources and documentation . Descendants of Martin Gramlich/Crumley 1 Martin Gramlichb: ca 1829 in Baden .. +Zetzelia "Celia" Oad b: ca 1831 in Baden m: May 01, 1852 in Cooper Co., MO ...... 2 Elizabeth Gramlich b: ca 1851 in Cooper Co., MO ...... 2 Caroline Gramlich b: ca 1854 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO ...... 2 Frank Gramlich/\b: 1854 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO .......... +Josephine Stoltzenberger b: ca 1854 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO d: February 01, 1919 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO .............. 3 Andrew F. Gramlich b: December 23, 1884 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO .................. +Josephine K. Gross b: October 28, 1909 in Pilot Grove, Cooper Co., MO ...................... 4 ErnesGeorgeGramlich/...................... 4 Isabel J. Gramlich/...................... 4 Marie E. Gramlich..................... . 4 Lucille K. Gramlich/............. . 3 Peter Gramlich...... 2 Edward Gramlich/Crumly b: ca 1858 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO Came to Liberty, Saskatchewan, Canada in 1904 .......... +Christian Back b: ca 1862 in MO m: January 09, 1879 in Cooper Co., MO Father: Anthony Back Mother: Maximilliana Unk. .............. 3 Annie Gramlich/Crumly b: 1878 .............. 3 Lila Gramlich/Crumly b: 1882 .............. 3 Henry William Gramlich/Crumly b: October 1884 .............. 3 Louisa Elisabeth Gramlich/Crumly b: 1886 .............. 3 Lawrence Joseph Gramlich/Crumly b: 1888 .............. 3 Leo Louis Gramlich/Crumly b: 1894 .............. 3 Joseph Gramlich/Crumly b: 1896 ...... 2 John Gramlich/ b: 1859 in Clear Creek, Cooper Co., MO ...... 2 Alexander Gramlich/ b: ca 1860 ...... 2 Ludwena Gramlich/ b: ca 1862 ...... 2 William Gramlich/ b: ca 1864 ...... 2 Peter Gramlich/b: ca 1866 ...... 2 Lawrence Gramlich/ b: ca 1870 ...... 2 Lizie Gramlich/ b: ca 1876 ...... 2 Joseph Gramlich/ b: ca 1877

Hello all, I am sending this out to everyone and every list in my address book which was somehow saved. My apologies go out to those of you on multiple lists that we are both on. I had to uninstall my AOL and reinstall it because it wasn't acting right with one of my programs. In the process I lost my filing cabinet and favorites! Does anyone out there know how to regain them? If not...then please...some of you had contacted me and asked me for info on some names that we are following I had saved your email in my filing cabinet. Send me another email with the info you requested so I can get it out to you. Thanks, Ella Surnames I am researching are: COLEMAN, HARLING and EAVES from Lancashire, England to Phila.,PA KIRCHER, WEIKEL and RITTER/RUTTER from Germany BAIRD and JORDAN from Ireland CHRISTALDI from Italy Any variations? That's ok. I've seen a few. Other names in my family are... CRUMLEY/CROMLEY, HARVEY, MARKER, STEIN, STOLLIE/STOLLEY, TITTERMARY, and growing. My family website with lots of links... http://hometown.aol.com/ella12866/index.html I piece together the past so my children won't be as confused as I am.

James Joseph Crumley German Line; George>George Jr.>Jacob> William J.>David James>Oregon Josiah>David James II>James Joseph (Jim)

Yes, I have a FAX # which is the same as my phone # 770-960-1454. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] Samuel and Amanda H Rains Crumley > Truett, > > Don't know that this is the same family, but I do have documentation of a > James Crumley born in 1908 to a Sam Crumley and Sarah Elizabeth Bryson at > Pioneer, Missouri (Barry County). If you have a fax or PO Box I will send > you a copy. > > Lamont > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:53 PM > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Samuel and Amanda H Rains Crumley > > > > I am seeking info on this couple who md in Phelps Co., Mo. on 12-8-1867. > I need to know about births, birthplaces, occupations, deaths, and burials. > Also I wish the same info on their children. Who was Samuel`s parents? > Truett Sr. > > Regards > > > > Truett W. Crumley Sr. > > [email protected] > > >

This may be the Jim Ccumley that Truett has tried to contact unsuccessfully. Jerry > > From: Diane Holdridge <[email protected]> > Date: 2002/05/10 Fri PM 08:22:29 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CRUMLEY] Jim Crumley from Arkansas

I am seeking info on this couple who md in Phelps Co., Mo. on 12-8-1867. I need to know about births, birthplaces, occupations, deaths, and burials. Also I wish the same info on their children. Who was Samuel`s parents? Truett Sr. Regards Truett W. Crumley Sr. [email protected]

Diane, I am interested in the article mentioned. I can be reached at E-Mail [email protected] Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Holdridge" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Jim Crumley from Arkansas > > I realize this is not true genealogy searching but it is Crumley related and might be of interest to someone reading this list. While in waiting in the doctors office this past week I picked up a magazine OUTSIDE May 2002 issue. On page 58 a story by William Kittredge mentions his pals from 32 years ago, "the crime novelist, Jim Crumley of Arkansas",and Harold McDuffy who went camping with him to Bowman Lake in Glacier National Park. No family details about Mr. Crumley were mentioned. I had the office xerox the article for me. If this Mr. Crumley is related to you and you are interested in this article let me know. > Diane Holdridge Robbins > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >

Dear Diane: My Crumley family is from NW Arkansas about 1835 from Greene County, TN. It would make good sense that the name Jim would come right on down the line. My gr gr grandfather was "Jim" James Murray Inks and his Mom was Eliza Crumley. She and her family and others from Greene County migrated together. She and Jack Inks were married in Washington County in 1837 I think...don't remember! She had brothers and probably cousins too. Anyway, if it is me you were addressing, I would love to just know if the article or magazine says anything else about him that might help me find him. Thank you, Linda

In a message dated 5/9/2002 10:26:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > this James Crumley (the doctor) practied medicine in Harrison Co, > Ohio before he died. He went to school at University of Edinburgh, > While researching my husband's Ker line, I learned that it was common for young men of the landed gentry in the colonies-or the ones who could afford it-commonly sent their sons back to be educated in Edinburgh. It has/had several good schools and the Medical School was particularly well known. I have since had reason to learn of the School of Philosophy and Mathematics. I think since it had been an established University for such a long time had a lot to do with it. Anyway, I thought I would put my two cents in about this. Many of our early Physicians were educated there, including my husband's ancestor, Dr. David Corbin Ker of Fredricksburg, VA and later of New Orleans, LA where he died in 1841 after having served under Andrew Jackson as his Surgeon General in the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans. I had folks from the mountains of VA and TN in my background and I am just as proud as I can be of them! Linda Hays Ker, a native Texan!

Dear Ruth: To tell you the truth, I was mostly concerned that the Samuel Crumley> forward be corrected. I didn't even go back to proofread the first part of that list. You can consider that to be of the CRUMLEY LINE origin until I have time to look this up for you. It has been years now since I researched this line-probably since the 1970s, but I know my documentation on what I do have is there. I really do not remember if I submitted that information about his parentage or if someone just added me to it.....I will look for you however, if you will bear with me. As you may have noted, someone may have just shot holes in my Samuel part too and I have been quite sure of that for a llllooonnnnggggg time! I will be getting back to you. Thanks for your inquiry, Linda Hays Ker

Truett, Don't know that this is the same family, but I do have documentation of a James Crumley born in 1908 to a Sam Crumley and Sarah Elizabeth Bryson at Pioneer, Missouri (Barry County). If you have a fax or PO Box I will send you a copy. Lamont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truett Crumley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Samuel and Amanda H Rains Crumley > I am seeking info on this couple who md in Phelps Co., Mo. on 12-8-1867. I need to know about births, birthplaces, occupations, deaths, and burials. Also I wish the same info on their children. Who was Samuel`s parents? Truett Sr. > Regards > > Truett W. Crumley Sr. > [email protected] >

In a message dated 5/8/2002 7:53:21 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > > Linda, would you advise me as who is this Writty (Rita) Crumley > > born 6-19-1831? Where was she born and who did she belong to? I am > > confused. > > I'm not Linda, but I have the information directly from the Hinshaw > Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. > Wwellll.......now......this certainly sheds a new and interesting light on this subject! A lot of my information is from her direct descendent who was living in England in the 1980s when I last heard from her and this information just doesn't jibe...Let me do some dusting off and some reading and get with my sister! I will get back with you all in as hurry as I can go! You see, this concerns my direct line and it is rather uncomfortable to be surprised after 30 years of thinking your research is real tight! :) Linda Hays Ker Texas

In a message dated 5/7/2002 4:01:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > There's one in Montgomery, Alabama, too. > AH HA, see I told you! Thanks! Linda

Jerry, I actually know very little about my Moore line. I know that he was in the Civil War (Confederate side) and have his papers on that. Then he married my gr gr grandmother Henry and they moved out of MO to NW Arkansas and then to Burnet Co. Texas. His name is/was James T. Moore. Because I have done research in spite of family events and not at leisure! for many years. My research has been intense but not real broad. If any of this looks fertile or if you want to know particulars like County names, etc., just let me know. I would love to find out more about him and I do know a little more than I am writing now. Thanks for your interest, Linda PS: My health has not been real "groovy" lately so I haven't kept up real well. The intent is there, however. I can assure you of that! lhk

In a message dated 5/6/2002 8:05:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Linda, would you advise me as who is this Writty (Rita) Crumley born > 6-19-1831? Where was she born and who did she belong to? I am confused. > Truett Sr > Truett, I was just into this last night and forgot to write it down. Don't give up on me! She was a Pogue originally, that I can tell you and I also know her correct name and how it is spelled.....when I remember to look this up and write to you again! lhk

I realize this is not true genealogy searching but it is Crumley related and might be of interest to someone reading this list. While in waiting in the doctors office this past week I picked up a magazine OUTSIDE May 2002 issue. On page 58 a story by William Kittredge mentions his pals from 32 years ago, "the crime novelist, Jim Crumley of Arkansas",and Harold McDuffy who went camping with him to Bowman Lake in Glacier National Park. No family details about Mr. Crumley were mentioned. I had the office xerox the article for me. If this Mr. Crumley is related to you and you are interested in this article let me know. Diane Holdridge Robbins --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Linda , Is your William the Sr. or Jr. ?? I have been trying to tie your line in and can't get it to fit. Can you please send us the birth and death dates that you have on each of your "> James>John>William>Samuel>Eliza Jane " Any other info, such as who they married and when, you want to add on them will be helpful, too. And how does your James come down from the James b. Abt. 1712 in Yorkshire county, England ? I want to be sure I have your line in correctly. Thanks, Ruth ------------- ----Original Message---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi, here is the corrected version: > James>John>William>Samuel>Eliza Jane m Calvin Jackson Inks>James Murray Inks m Elizabeth Moore>Carrie Lavinia m. George Thomas Hays>Tom Hays m Barbara Horton>Linda m. Tom Peyton Ker -------------------------------------------------- The Crumly's [email protected]

Could you determine for me just who was this C. E. Crumly? I need to know who was his Crumly parents. Also did he get married and have any children? Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geniebug" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: [CRUMLEY] Another MO Crumly- Mayor of Amsterdam > Missouri State Offices Political and Military Records, 1919 - 1920 > Surname: Crumly > Given Name: C. E. > County: Bates > Page: 316 > Position: mayor > City/Town: Amsterdam > > The information in this database was compiled from the book, ""Official > Manual of the State of Missouri for the years 1919-1920"" compiled by John > L. Sullivan, Secretary of State, (no publisher or publication date is > given). >

Jerry, this James Crumley (the doctor) practied medicine in Harrison Co, Ohio before he died. He went to school at University of Edinburgh, Scotland. I do not know whether he was Scotch, English, or Irsh. His lineage died out shortly because he had only four girls. Truett Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Crumly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [CRUMLEY] 1850 census > > I find it especially interesting that one of the Irish-born Crumleys > (James, > > #60) was living near Thomas Crumley's family in Harrison County, Ohio. > > I seem to recall Truett telling me about a Crumley immigrant to Ohio, a > doctor, who never had any children, and so his line died out. Maybe Truett > can verify that for us. > Jerry >

> > Linda, would you advise me as who is this Writty (Rita) Crumley > born 6-19-1831? Where was she born and who did she belong to? I am > confused. I'm not Linda, but I have the information directly from the Hinshaw Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. Abraham Crumley b. 3-10-1796, d. May 7 1846 New Hope MM, TN (buried New Hope Cemetery aka Quaker Knobs, Greene Co. TN) m1 Elizabeth Marshill 1-2-1817 Lick Creek MH, Greene Co TN. Elizabeth and Abraham had five children, including my gt-gt- grandmother Mary Crumley Jones. Others were Isaac, Samuel, Martha, and Asa. Dates and other info on these available if you want it. Elizabeth died 3-29-1827 at New Hope, and is buried at Quaker Knobs. Abraham then married Jane McNeese (her parents and siblings are buried at Quaker Knobs). They had 6 children: 1.Writty/Aritha/Rita (all three names show up in Hinshaw - so take your pick) b, June 19, 1831 New Hope, Greene Co TN. Married James Dunlap 1-29-1852 Blount Co. TN by Wm. M. Brickell, J.P. (marriage info from a book of Greene County TN Marriages) I don't have her children listed in my ahnentafel, but it would be in the Vol. 1 of Hinshaw. her siblings were: William Crumley b. 10-4-1833 New Hope, Greene, TN James Jones Crumley b. 4-22-1836 New Hope Greene, TN Elizabeth Chloe Crumley b. 11-14-1839 New Hope, Greene, TN Rhoda Crumley b.12-29-1841 New Hope, Greene, TN Aaron Hammer Crumley b. 12-23-1844 New Hope, Greene TN, m. N.J. Whitehead 8-18-1870, Blount Co., TN by Sam F. Bell, J.P. Writty's McNeese ancestors are in the New Hope/Quaker Knobs cemetery listings for one thing, and in Hinshaw for another. I haven't really pushed to trace that line back since she is from the second marriage, and therefore not in the same maternal blood line as mine. I do know that the Crumleys and Marshills came to TN from NC, and that many of the 11 siblings moved to Iowa at the beginning of the Civil War. You can find more information on this clan in the Iowa Quaker Records transcribed by William Wade Hinshaw and available on microfiche under the "Iowa" section at most Family History Centers. There is also a book entitled "Greene County Marriages" that has a lot of our Crumleys in it. Hope this helps a little! Sue ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.