CR>CROSTHWAITE-D Digest Volume 97 : Issue 13 CR>Today's Topics: CR> #1 Thanksgiving Day Greetings [Jogt@aol.com] CR> #2 Who knows? [Crowhite@aol.com] CR>______________________________ CR>This morning I wrote out 2 pages of "blessings" for which I'm grateful on CR>this Thanksgiving Day. Some are: CR>the computer activities and Internet friends who help me keep my sanity, mak CR>me feel needed, and participate in my favorite hobby; CR>my house in KY where I retired after more than 40 years in California; CR>my heritage [which includes my religion and the high value placed on CR>education]; CR>my family - past and present; CR>the "measure" of health and wealth my husband and I enjoy at age 66 - which CR>allows him to take 2 classes a term at UK and me to volunteer in the comunit CR>and play at the computer a lot. CR>I have promised myself I will not whine today! CR>Happy Thanksgiving to all of you - from the listowner - Jo Thiessen CR> CR>______________________________ CR> Burt, you have started something with this poor old soul>. Found the Bible CR>of my great-grandfather, passed on to his daughter, Eliza Eveline Crosswhite CR>my grandmother (unless?) This may or may not help you folks working on the CR>chronicles./ CR> Thomas J. Crosswhite, son of Jesse Crosswhite & Nancy R. Johnson married CR>Rebecca Jane Donnelly, October 27, 1851(brothers W.K. & J.C. of Mountain Cit CR>& R.H.M. Donnelly of Chuckey, Tenn.) CR> Seven children.>>. John Alexander Crosswhite, born June 3, 1853; Sarah CR>Parlee Crosswhite, born October 2, 1855; Alfred Taylor Crosswhite, born Marc CR>28, 1858; Nancy Loretta Crosswhite, born October 27, 1860; Eliza Eveline CR>Crosswhite, born, April 5, 1863, Robert Lincoln Crosswhite, born, December CR>29, 1865 and Thomas Grant Crosswhite, born April 12, 1871..> all were born i CR>Little Doe, Tennessee, except Thomas Grant who was shown as born in CR>Taylorsville, Tenn. ( Mother Rebecca Jane, was shown as being born in Bones CR>Creek, Tenn.) CR> Sarah Parlee married P.C. Lewis, July 8, 1883 CR> Alfred Taylor married Martha M. Willard, September 3, 1879 CR> Alfred Taylor married Martha C. Johnson, May 1886 CR> Thomas Grant married Florence Smith, December 1898 CR> Nancy Loretta married D.M. Fritts, September 9, 1913 CR> Thomas J. Crosswhite was born on February 13, 1827 CR> Rebecca Jane Donnelly was born October 2, 1829 CR> Now this is for Jo. , Worley T. Crosswhite was born June, 22, CR>1880 CR> Willie P Crosswhite, born January 5, 1882, Samuel T. Crosswhite, bornJun CR>30, 1884,,, and my father was born May 6, 1896.// Now what do I believe> I CR>think they are all brothers, and that perhaps Eliza, might have taken dad CR>(joseph t.) as her child and raised him under the umbrella of motherhood wit CR>approval of her mother, Rebecca???? unless, and who knows??/ joe CR>crosswhite, jr.. CR> thanks for listening, jc Hi Everyone, I have a new E-mail format for now .Don't know if it will work. I have lost the address to which I am to send $10 for my new Crosthwaite Cronicle. Please drop me a line. Thanks to all who have helped me. Steve (Leah Nora Crosthwait Stenbro b1900) Stenbro (1940) DISK Net, Inc. Visit us at WWW.DISKNET.COM ==== CROSTHWAITE Mailing List ==== I'm a grateful supporter of Rootsweb. You can support them also, check out the options at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html The address for sending money is: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative P.O. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798

This morning I wrote out 2 pages of "blessings" for which I'm grateful on this Thanksgiving Day. Some are: the computer activities and Internet friends who help me keep my sanity, make me feel needed, and participate in my favorite hobby; my house in KY where I retired after more than 40 years in California; my heritage [which includes my religion and the high value placed on education]; my family - past and present; the "measure" of health and wealth my husband and I enjoy at age 66 - which allows him to take 2 classes a term at UK and me to volunteer in the comunity and play at the computer a lot. I have promised myself I will not whine today! Happy Thanksgiving to all of you - from the listowner - Jo Thiessen

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RE: WILLIAM CROSTHWAIT WHO MARRIED ANN SHELTON There has recently been some interchange of questions and answers on William and Ann on this list. It was asked whether this William could have been son of Isaac Crosthwait who married Elizabeth Rippetoe. Georgia Crosthwait, to whom we owe a great debt of gratitude for early Crosthwaite/Crosswhite genealogy, was concerned that there was no documentation as to where this William fit into Crosthwaite genealogy. Nevertheless, she gave us her best guess that the William who married Ann (and whose will is preserved in Albemarle County, Virginia), with the information she had then, must have been the son of the William Crosthwait who married Milley and lived in Culpepper County, Virginia. It is clear from court records that this Culpepper County William was son of the William Crosthwait who came down to Spotsylvania County, Virginia from Pennsylvania. This Pennsylvania William was father of Timothy, William, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elizabeth, and Sarah, a family very well documented in Orange County, Virginia. The William of Culpepper County, Virginia was indeed the son of the Pennsylvania William and is proven by court documents to be brother of Timothy, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elizabeth and Sarah. However, the sons of this William of Culpepper County and his wife Milley have now been traced beyond any doubt using court and census records. William, the son of William and Milley proves to be the William who sold the land inherited from his father in Culpepper County and settled in Stokes County, North Carolina. His brother Jacob with his widowed mother Milley settled in Newberry District, North Carolina. The Milley Crosthwait who was member of the "traveling church" of the Billy Bush colony proves not to have been this Milley, but rather the Milley who was daughter of Abraham Crosthwait. This all means that it is impossible for the William Crosthwait of Albemarle County, Virginia (who married Ann) to have been son of William and Milley. However, in the 1740's there was a separate Crosthwait family in ALBEMARLE PARISH of Sussex and Surrey Counties. The origin of this family at this time is totally unknown. We have no evidence that this family was closely related to the Orange County Crosthwaits. For an Orange County Crosthwait to settle in Sussex or Surrey Counties would be contrary to the normal pattern of settlement in Virginia. Albemarle PARISH is in the eastern coastal plain of Virginia nearer to Williamsburg. Settlement of Albemarle COUNTY which is in the Piedmont came from two sources: 1) people moving west from the coastal plain which included Albemarle PARISH, and 2) people moving south from Orange County. The Sheltons moved west into Albemarle County from the coastal plain. If William married Ann before they came to Albemarle County, then he was probably one of the Crosthwaits of Sussex and Surrey Counties. We can prove that the William who married Ann can not be son of three of the five brothers of Orange County. 1) Timothy of Orange died childless; 2) William of Orange (who settled in Culpepper County and married Milley) had a son William who settled in Stokes County, North Carolina; 3) Isaac of Orange (who settled in Albemarle County and married Elizabeth) had a son William who settled in Kentucky and had 14 children. This line has been extremely well researched by Vida Vance whose 227 page manuscript is in the Mormon genealogical library in Salt Lake City. If the William of Albemarle who married Ann was descended from any of the Orange County brothers, rather than coming west from Albemarle PARISH into Albemarle COUNTY, then he would have to have been son of either Abraham or Jacob. We have presented evidence in Crosthwaite Chronicle No. 6 that JOHN William Crosthwait of Wilkes County, North Carolina was likely the son of Abraham. The William of Albemarle who married Ann is proven by court documents to have been JAMES William Crosthwait. Administration papers of the estates of James William and John William prove that they were different people. This would leave only Jacob as a possible father if William of Albemarle come south from the Orange County Crosthwaits. If this William of Albemarle was son of Jacob, then the possibility exists that he not only married a Shelton but also had a Shelton for his mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother, etc. He is known to have had a brother named Shelton Crosthwait, incorrectly interpreted by some to have been his son. This might have required Jacob to have had a first wife with surname Shelton and to have left his children of the first family with Shelton grandparents. The one fact that would support such a theory is that Jacob's son Aaron seems not to have been a son of Jacob's wife Mary Brockman. This Aaron had a grandson named Shelton Crosthwait, suggesting that Jacob might have been married to a Shelton before marrying Mary Brockman. It is also possible, however that Jacob's grandmother or great-grandmother was a Shelton, which could account for his descendant having been named Shelton Crosthwait. There have been at least seven different Shelton Crosthwaits, some with no obvious relationship to the others. The Crosthwaits in the Albemarle PARISH records are women who happened to be godparents for children born in this parish, suggesting that they were already of age in the 1740's and therefore could not possibly be children of Jacob. One of these women could, however be mother of the William Crosthwait who married Ann Shelton. There is some evidence that the Crosthwait-Shelton connection goes back to England, in which case both the Orange County Crosthwaits and Albemarle PARISH Crosthwaits might trace back to a common Shelton ancestry in England. We have records of a marriage in England of a "Wilyam Crosthwait" to a Skelton wife. Georgia thought that Scelton and Shelton were the same name. We are currently researching this. Frank S. Crosswhite and Carol D. Crosswhite Publishers of Crosthwaite Chronicle

Burt, Phillip Robert Crosswhite was the son of Landon C. Crosswhite and Caroline Buckles (they married Johnson Co. TN on March 2, 1856 by Washington Cole, JP) Phillip R. Crosswhite B. Aug 25, 1870 d. Dec 23, 1961 buried Crosswhite Cem. Tombstone says R. Phillip.... married April 10, 1892 Johnson Co. TN to Sophronia "Fronie" Catherine Stout b. Aug 6 1873, d. F4eb 11, 1929 Crosswhite Cem., dau Alfred Albert Stout & Susannah A. Morley. jerri Stout

Burt, I have him as the son of Landon C and Carolyne Buckles Crosswhite, and she is dau of Alfred Albert and Susannah Morely Stout. The dates for them are from "Upon a Lonely Hill" Descendants of Robert Phillip Crosswhite 1 Robert Phillip Crosswhite b: August 25, 1870 d: December 23, 1961 . +Sophronia Catherine Stout b: August 06, 1873 in Johnson Co. TN d: February 11, 1929 in Johnson Co. TN Father: Alfred Albert Stout Mother: Susannah A. Morley ........ 2 William Stacey Crosswhite >Subject: Phillip Robert Crosswhite/Sufona Stout >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Will someone please help me identify the parents of: > >Phillip Robert Crosswhite b. August 25, 1870, d. December 32, 1961 > >and; > >Sufona Stout b. August 6, 1873, d. February 11, 1929 > >They married on April 10. 1892, and I assume both were born in the Johnson Co., TN >area. > > >Any information will be appreciated. > >Burt > *****jcress@tfs.net***** *New Mailing List for Johnson Co., TN!* *****TNJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com******* http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/johnson.htm http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/r/e/Pamela-R-Cresswell/ *almost finnished transcribing the 1850 Johnson Co. TN Census*

Will someone please help me identify the parents of: Phillip Robert Crosswhite b. August 25, 1870, d. December 32, 1961 and; Sufona Stout b. August 6, 1873, d. February 11, 1929 They married on April 10. 1892, and I assume both were born in the Johnson Co., TN area. Any information will be appreciated. Burt

Jo Thiessen wrote: > > Today someone told me that William Crosthwaite (d. 1786), who married Ann > Shelton, was the son of Isaac. Can anyone either confirm or refute this? > Jo Thiessen Jo, I waited to see if someone would tackle your question. If it can be shown that Issac was the father of this William, it would definitely help with the confusion I believe exists regarding where this William and Ann Shelton actually belong (see "Crosthwaite Chronicle", vol. 6, pg. 263-265). My question is obvious...if Issac was the father of the William who married Ann Shelton, then who was William's mother? For many years, I have been convinced that we have not yet been able to account for all of the grandchildren of William Crosthwait/Crosweight d. 1743 in VA. I can't prove it, but I believe it. Perhaps someone has confused William d. 1743 in VA (who some believe was the son of Timothy Crosthwaite and his wife Mary), and his son Issac, with the William d. 1786 and William d. 1743 and his father Issac. Frank Crosswhite suggested in vol, 6 "Crosthwaite Chronicle" pg. 288; that this William d. 1743 was the son of Issac and Elizabeth Crosweight of Crowland, Lincoln County, England. Burt

Today someone told me that William Crosthwaite (d. 1786), who married Ann Shelton, was the son of Isaac. Can anyone either confirm or refute this? Jo Thiessen

Hi, My grandmother, Mary Ann Crosthwait, was a daughter of Thompson Right Crosthwait. There is also a Civil War veteran, John Crosthwait, buried in a Montgomery Co., Iowa, cemetary. This branch of Crosthwaits were early Iowa settlers, coming first to Bloomfield in Davis County. Prior to that from Fulton Co., Illinois and from early Kentucky back to Virginia. This line comes through Hervey (pronounced Harvey) Crosthwait. I have the LDS Crosthwait sheets as well as the Crosthwait Chronicles for any wishing look-ups. beth hughes Genelist@aol.com

This message and my answer to it are included below: Having just yesterday received my first exciting issue of Crosthwaite Chronicles No. 6 and read of Philip Crosthwaite I thought possibly it could be one of his descendants. I have no idea where Brian got my name. Anybody got any ideas? Tania ---------- > From: Allan Patrick <aeptcp@preferred.com> > To: Brian Williams <fitnessman@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: Crosthwaite > Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 10:30 AM > > Hi, Brian: > > I would be most interested to learn your friend"s ancestry. I just read > about a Philip Crosthwaite, born in Ireland in 1825 who came to > America/California as a young man, "Became Sheriff of San Diego County, > California and then the Mexican Caballero Patriarch of a Baja California > Family". He died 1903 at Rancho San Miquel, at the old "Mision Vieja", Baja > California. He married Maria Josefa Lopez y Rosas in San Diego in 1834 and > they had seven sons and four daughters. We would like to contact some of > their descendants. There may also be other Crosthwaites who were there at > an early date. If you think your friend would be interested I can send you > a copy of the article I just mentioned on Philip Crosthwaite as a lot more > genealogical info on his descendants is included. > Tania Patrick > > ---------- > > From: Brian Williams <fitnessman@worldnet.att.net> > > To: aeptcp@preferred.com > > Subject: Crosthwaite > > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:14 PM > > > > I know some Crosthwaites' out here in California. I do > > NOT know their ancestors names, but I think they came > > out here during the War with Mexico 1848. I think the > > original settler was in Kit Carson's unit and fought at the > > Battle of San Pasqual, which by the way was the ONLY > > battle Mexico was given credit as winning in the war. > > > > I'll findout the name of his ancestor next time I see him. > > > > bw, san diego

Tania and I were sharing information on Crosswhite/Stout marriages. There were a number of them. As it went: Godfrey Daniel Stout married my gt. aunt Elizabeth Crosswhite, sister of my gt. grandfather Abraham L. Crosswhite, both children of John Melvin Crosswhite, Sr. and Elizabeth Stone. The note from Tania was referring to an earlier note in which I told her that the only information I had on G. D. Stout was the names of his parents. I don't know that I need any more than that, but who knows? One of the most challenging things for me, I think, is trying to unravel all the relationships among the NE TN families. Nearly all these families are connected in some fashion, and occasionally, in unexpected fashion. One of the few names I haven't found in my family lines - so far - is Perkins. I mention that only because a few days ago there appeared on the JCT mail list information that a Perkins, I think Jacob, had sued someone (who?) in Johnson or Carter County for slander. I don't remember the date of the lawsuit, but someone apparently had referred to him by some unsavory adjective(s) regarding his heritage (that stuff is still going on today). I later discovered that George Crosswhite sold 130 acres in 1813 to William Baker that bordered land owned by a Jacob Perkins and land owned by Thomas Johnson (we know that Crosswhites married Bakers and Johnsons). I probably would never have known some of those things without these mail lists... So folks ramble on, if you will, I might learn something from you ramblings... And, Steve, I do believe you have all the information I have on the Iowa folks. Burt

In a message dated 97-10-21 16:41:14 EDT, you write: << Burt: Guess I might try answering you here concerning the *** CROSSWHITE/STOUT ***ancestry, someone else might be interested. Did you mean that you have no further info on the Godfrey Daniel STOUT who md. Elizabeth CROSSWHITE other than his parents David D. STOUT and Elizabeth Howard? I have no further info on Elizabeth Howard but I do have quite a bit on the STOUT ancestry IF you are interested. Most of it came from Family Tree Maker World Family Trees CDs, from the STOUT file here in the Kingsport Genealogy files and from JCT History. >> Tania, I have information on this line, what are you looking for....I think I may have missed a message somewhere. Lisa

Steve: Can't comment on the Iowa Crosthwaits because I don't know anything. But I did enjoy reading about your g-g-grpa Harvey on page 126 of No. 3 of the Crosthwaite Chronicles, and about Leah Crosthwait and David AND Stephen Stenbro on page 157 of No. 4 and about Albert Vernon on page 181. Your g-g-grpa Harvey4 was bro of my g-g-grpa John Newton4 (about whom on page 159) and both were sons of John3, son of Abraham2, son of William1. So that makes us what? fourth cousins!?! Tania ---------- > From: Steve Stenbro <1877house@disknet.com> > To: CROSTHWAITE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: CROSTHWAITE-D Digest V97 #7 > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 6:00 PM > > I'm still here . One day this list will take off! To get a topic > started I will ask aquestion, > Does Any on have Info on the Crosthwait's that lived in Iowa in the > 1880s? My Grand father Albert Vernon Crostwait/Crosthwait lived there in > 1895/1900. His father was Thompson Right Crosthwait . > Albert Vs first wife was Mattie Moore. > My mother was Leah Nora Crosthwait born 29 Nov 1900 Coin Iowa. > I'm Steve Stenbro

I'm still here . One day this list will take off! To get a topic started I will ask aquestion, Does Any on have Info on the Crosthwait's that lived in Iowa in the 1880s? My Grand father Albert Vernon Crostwait/Crosthwait lived there in 1895/1900. His father was Thompson Right Crosthwait . Albert Vs first wife was Mattie Moore. My mother was Leah Nora Crosthwait born 29 Nov 1900 Coin Iowa. I'm Steve Stenbro

Re: Question's... Tania wondered if Frank Crosswhite knew George Crosthwaite and wondered about the whereabouts of Georgia Crosthwaite's papers. ((I wish Frank Crosswhite had more time (bet he does too).)) It seems to me that Frank told me a good while back that Georgia's papers were now at a university library somewhere. In Texas, maybe? The note I had on that is long gone and I could be dreaming these things up. I really don't know if Frank knew Georgia, or whether he is acquainted with George. If you are tuned in Frank...

From: Burt Crosswhite <burtcross@mail.edumaster.net> (by way of Jo Thiessen <jog1@ix.netcom.com>) Subject: Am I still subscribed?? Haven't seen anything from this list in a while...is it still viable? Yes and Yes you are subscribed. As far as I can tell most lists are rather slow at this time, and the Costhwaite list is no exception. However, as cold weather sets in throughout the areas outside of CA and FL there should be more activity. In the meantime if anyone wants to send volumes of information for the rest of us to read - go for it! Jo

Burt: Guess I might try answering you here concerning the *** CROSSWHITE/STOUT ***ancestry, someone else might be interested. Did you mean that you have no further info on the Godfrey Daniel STOUT who md. Elizabeth CROSSWHITE other than his parents David D. STOUT and Elizabeth Howard? I have no further info on Elizabeth Howard but I do have quite a bit on the STOUT ancestry IF you are interested. Most of it came from Family Tree Maker World Family Trees CDs, from the STOUT file here in the Kingsport Genealogy files and from JCT History. Yes, I was fortunate to have known Georgia CROSTHWAITE, unfortunately, I was so overawed by all the info she had amassed that my little mind was not able to foresee future questions that I was too dumb at that point to ask! I wonder if Carol and Frank(?)(too lazy to go upstairs to check on his name!) CROSSWHITE, the couple who are redoing the Chronicles, are acquainted with George CROSTHWAITE who has his cousin Georgia's files (or so I understood)? George is in his upper 80s now, so his children may have taken over the files. Do hope they aren't lost! Irma or Hasel may have taken them over, that's a possibility also. Yes, you and I both have Abraham as g-g-g-g-grpa, that's the reason I've been so interested in these Johnson County CROSSWHITEs. Tania ---------- > From: Burt Crosswhite <burtcross@mail.edumaster.net> > To: CROSTHWAITE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Am I still subscribed?? > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 2:31 PM > > Haven't seen anything from this list in a while...is it still viable?

Haven't seen anything from this list in a while...is it still viable?