To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com From: Court Conkwright <courtcurtis@usa.net> Subject: Re: [Cronk] Interesting English Connection for Cronks Cc: The name Cronk came from Herck Siboutsen who came to New Amsterdam in 1642................there is a reason he changed the name and I have seen 33 spelling of that name and friend I work with claims to have seen 44 spelling. The name came from the Dutch. You are right it never came from Holland. My spelling it the last time it was changed. My grandfather was born in 1856 and his spelling at birth was Conkright. There is also a reason this happened. I have worked on this line since 1980..................Cronk was one of the spelling that came from the line of Heack.............Walter Cronkhite is also from that line. Anything that came close to our spelling most likely came from Herck. It was even spelled with a K. This is one very hard line to research. A very good research by the name of Granville Mackenzie did a wonderful of putting this line together up to the 1800's. Thanks to his work I was able to connect to Herck. Do you have the line that Mackenzie did? I have called it the Mackenzie Papers and it has been called that since I frist called it that. Go to the Net and type in his name and learn about him. I have not found one person that will disagree with his work. Happy Hunting! Court Conkwright St. Louis, Mo. At 08:40 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: Robyn_Kendall >Surnames: Cronk >Classification: biography > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.cronk/523/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >While I was in England recently (researching my father's tree), on a >lark I looked up my mother's maiden name (Cronk). I found a very >interesting book. Here is a little bit from it. Most interesting >is the talk of it NOT being a name from Holland, and the surname's >origins in the British Isles. > >An Uncommon Name: A Genealogical Account of the Cronk Family of West Kent >By Anthony Cronk, 1953 > >Page 5 >The name Cronk is a most distinctive monosyllable, but its etymology >is not immediately apparent. Numerous theories about its origin have >been advanced, not all of which bear careful scrutiny, as we shall show. > >It has often been suggested that it is of Continental origin on >account of a slight similarity to such names as the Dutch Kranker, >the Flemish Craninck, the German Krancke and Kron, and the French >Cron and Croneau. The Dutch dictionary has a work kronkel, an >adjective meaning "winding". Nevertheless the leading genealogical >society of Holland* reports that the name Cronk (however spelt) does >not appear anywhere in their very comprehensive records. > >If the name Cronk originated in the British Islaes, it is possible >that it was derived from a place-name, as it does not at first sight >appear to refer either to a baptismal name or to any occupation or >office. In the Isle of Man Cronk occurs as an element in many of the >Celtic place-names, e.g. > >Cronk-ny-Irrey Llaa (hill of the dawn) >Cronk Sumark (promrose hill) >Cronk-y-dooiney (hill of the man) >Cronk-y-crogher (hill of the gallows) > >The Director of the Manx Museum points out that it is the same as >the Scottish and Irish Knock, meaning "hill", but he quotes good >authority that there is no indication that it ever gave rise to a >personal name, and further, that there seems to be no case of a Manx >personal name derived from a place-name. > >. > >Now in the parish of Limpsfield just across the Surrey border we >discover a locality called Cronklands. Clearly a possessor's name, >it occurs as Cronksland in a Deed of 1714. Here we find Thomas >Cronge as long ago as 1430, and this surname had become Cronke by >1543. So perhaps after all Cronge is not such a far cry from >Crangeld and our now-rare migrant crane. On the other hand, the >Oxford English Discitonary gives "cronge" as an old and rare word >meaning a hilt or handle. This could conceivably have given rise to >a personal name of the occupative category denoting a maker of >sword-hilts. Anyway we believe this to be a very important link in >the chain, as it is the earliest relevant record we have been able >to find, and the only one in the medieval period when surnames were >being adopted to distinguish one family from another. Limpsfield is >only nine miles from Sevenoaks, and there seems to be little doubt >that we have here found the source of all the Cronks of West Kent.

Replying to a BOARD post on the list will not likely reach the original board poster. As noted on the original post, if you wish to reply you need to click on the link indicated and reply on the board. An e-mail copy will then go to the board poster, and also come through the gateway to this list just as the original board post did. David E. Cann cronk-admin@rootsweb.com Admin of the Cronk surname mailing list and message board on RootsWeb List Information: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/cronk.html -----Original Message----- From: cronk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cronk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Court Conkwright Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2007 10:07 PM To: Cronk List Subject: [Cronk] Dutch Name To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com From: Court Conkwright <courtcurtis@usa.net> Subject: Re: [Cronk] Interesting English Connection for Cronks Cc: <snip> >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: Robyn_Kendall >Surnames: Cronk >Classification: biography > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.cronk/523/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >While I was in England recently (researching my father's tree), on a >lark I looked up my mother's maiden name (Cronk). I found a very >interesting book. Here is a little bit from it. Most interesting is >the talk of it NOT being a name from Holland, and the surname's origins >in the British Isles. > >An Uncommon Name: A Genealogical Account of the Cronk Family of West >Kent By Anthony Cronk, 1953 > >Page 5 >The name Cronk is a most distinctive monosyllable, but its etymology is >not immediately apparent. Numerous theories about its origin have been >advanced, not all of which bear careful scrutiny, as we shall show. > >It has often been suggested that it is of Continental origin on account >of a slight similarity to such names as the Dutch Kranker, the Flemish >Craninck, the German Krancke and Kron, and the French Cron and Croneau. >The Dutch dictionary has a work kronkel, an adjective meaning >"winding". Nevertheless the leading genealogical society of Holland* >reports that the name Cronk (however spelt) does not appear anywhere in >their very comprehensive records. > >If the name Cronk originated in the British Islaes, it is possible that >it was derived from a place-name, as it does not at first sight appear >to refer either to a baptismal name or to any occupation or office. In >the Isle of Man Cronk occurs as an element in many of the Celtic >place-names, e.g. > >Cronk-ny-Irrey Llaa (hill of the dawn) >Cronk Sumark (promrose hill) >Cronk-y-dooiney (hill of the man) >Cronk-y-crogher (hill of the gallows) > >The Director of the Manx Museum points out that it is the same as the >Scottish and Irish Knock, meaning "hill", but he quotes good authority >that there is no indication that it ever gave rise to a personal name, >and further, that there seems to be no case of a Manx personal name >derived from a place-name. > >. > >Now in the parish of Limpsfield just across the Surrey border we >discover a locality called Cronklands. Clearly a possessor's name, it >occurs as Cronksland in a Deed of 1714. Here we find Thomas Cronge as >long ago as 1430, and this surname had become Cronke by 1543. So >perhaps after all Cronge is not such a far cry from Crangeld and our >now-rare migrant crane. On the other hand, the Oxford English >Discitonary gives "cronge" as an old and rare word meaning a hilt or >handle. This could conceivably have given rise to a personal name of >the occupative category denoting a maker of sword-hilts. Anyway we >believe this to be a very important link in the chain, as it is the >earliest relevant record we have been able to find, and the only one in >the medieval period when surnames were being adopted to distinguish one >family from another. Limpsfield is only nine miles from Sevenoaks, and >there seems to be little doubt that we have here found the source of >all the Cronks of West Kent. <snip>