Ian - are you up for a spot of detective work? Let me tell you about my Cromptons. My GGGF was a James Crompton, born Bolton around 1821. He married Mary Dickinson at St Peters on 16th July 1843. They had several children, starting with a James in May 1844, but they kept dying! I believe there were a couple more, but I haven't obtained the certificates to confirm this. He had a daughter Betsy on 27 June 1846. James became a "Bounty Immigrant" to Botany Bay, leaving Plymouth on 12th August 1848 on the "General Hewett", with his wife 4 months pregnant at the time, and little Betsy barely 2 years old. Mary gave birth on 26 January 1849 to a son, whom she again called James. Daughter Betsy subsequently died, on 4 April 1849. Meanwhile, James senior was busy establishing himself in the colony, and he eventually called for Mary to follow him. She and James left Liverpool for Botany Bay on 21st April 1855 on the "Exodus". So, where were Mary and baby James, 2 years old, at the time of the 1851 Census of the UK? They are known to have lived off-and-on at "Spring Gardens" Bolton. But I can't find them in the 1851 Census! Can you? Strange tho it may be that Mary would leave baby James behind, I figured that she may have been off working on Census day, leaving baby James with a relative! Hence my interest in Thomas & family! That James, 1 year old, marked as a "Nephew", is the only likely James that I could find. Your thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of IAN STONE Sent: Monday, 8 June 2009 2:31 am To: crompton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas Doug James is 12 in 1861, this should be right as he is 1 in 1851, 21 in 1871 and 30 in 1881. Thomas was in the 1871 census but not 1881, and seeing him as infirm I think he may well have passed away. The only Thomas who died in the 1880's in Bolton born in 1899 was in 1876. I think he may be buried in St.Stephens because he lived close by. If I get chance I will have a walk around the graveyard, maybe I will see the rest of the family! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Crompton" <DCrompton@atex.com> To: <crompton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas > Derek > Also, are you SURE that Jame's age is listed as 12 in the 1861 Census? It > doesn't fit. 17 would fit! > > -----Original Message----- > From: crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Dellcrom@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, 7 June 2009 8:34 pm > To: crompton@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas > > > Well, spotted Ian it is James my mistake. > Should have been............ > > 1861census RG09/ 2836_012 page 17 > 091: Maze Street, Darcy Lever. > head; > Thomas CROMPTON widower aged 63 coal banksman > children; > Alice (U20) cotton weaver > James (U12) scholar > > border ; > Elizabeth NUTTALL(U16) cotton weaver > > all born Darcy Lever, > > my only excuse is I was also looking at this family........... > 1861census RG09/ 2836_007 page 08/9 > 046: Top o'th Slakes, Darcy Lever, > head; > John What is the surname ? > Betty > children; > two of the four are C., > [something] father; > John C.,(73) widower joiner born Brightmet, > So was Betty a naughty girl or a re married widow? > > > Derek Crompton > London south-east > no attachments to this e=mail > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /////////////////////////////////////. > > ------------------------------------- > List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. > ------------------------------------- > This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. > ------------------------------------- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ > ================ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. > ------------------------------------- > This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. > ------------------------------------- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ > ================ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------- List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. ------------------------------------- This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. ------------------------------------- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ ================ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Doug Sorry mate, cant find them yet. I did see james listed on the General Hewitt age 23, so that makes him born about 1825, a couple of years younger than Mary.born 1823. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Crompton" <DCrompton@atex.com> To: <crompton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas > Ian - are you up for a spot of detective work? > > Let me tell you about my Cromptons. > > My GGGF was a James Crompton, born Bolton around 1821. He married Mary > Dickinson at St Peters on 16th July 1843. They had several children, > starting with a James in May 1844, but they kept dying! I believe there > were a couple more, but I haven't obtained the certificates to confirm > this. He had a daughter Betsy on 27 June 1846. James became a "Bounty > Immigrant" to Botany Bay, leaving Plymouth on 12th August 1848 on the > "General Hewett", with his wife 4 months pregnant at the time, and little > Betsy barely 2 years old. Mary gave birth on 26 January 1849 to a son, > whom she again called James. Daughter Betsy subsequently died, on 4 April > 1849. Meanwhile, James senior was busy establishing himself in the > colony, and he eventually called for Mary to follow him. She and James > left Liverpool for Botany Bay on 21st April 1855 on the "Exodus". > > So, where were Mary and baby James, 2 years old, at the time of the 1851 > Census of the UK? They are known to have lived off-and-on at "Spring > Gardens" Bolton. But I can't find them in the 1851 Census! Can you? > > Strange tho it may be that Mary would leave baby James behind, I figured > that she may have been off working on Census day, leaving baby James with > a relative! Hence my interest in Thomas & family! That James, 1 year > old, marked as a "Nephew", is the only likely James that I could find. > > Your thoughts? > > -----Original Message----- > From: crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of IAN STONE > Sent: Monday, 8 June 2009 2:31 am > To: crompton@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas > > Doug > > James is 12 in 1861, this should be right as he is 1 in 1851, 21 in 1871 > and > 30 in 1881. > Thomas was in the 1871 census but not 1881, and seeing him as infirm I > think > he may well have passed away. The only Thomas who died in the 1880's in > Bolton born in 1899 was in 1876. I think he may be buried in St.Stephens > because he lived close by. If I get chance I will have a walk around the > graveyard, maybe I will see the rest of the family! > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Crompton" <DCrompton@atex.com> > To: <crompton@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas > > >> Derek >> Also, are you SURE that Jame's age is listed as 12 in the 1861 Census? >> It >> doesn't fit. 17 would fit! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:crompton-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Dellcrom@aol.com >> Sent: Sunday, 7 June 2009 8:34 pm >> To: crompton@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CROMPTON] Thomas >> >> >> Well, spotted Ian it is James my mistake. >> Should have been............ >> >> 1861census RG09/ 2836_012 page 17 >> 091: Maze Street, Darcy Lever. >> head; >> Thomas CROMPTON widower aged 63 coal banksman >> children; >> Alice (U20) cotton weaver >> James (U12) scholar >> >> border ; >> Elizabeth NUTTALL(U16) cotton weaver >> >> all born Darcy Lever, >> >> my only excuse is I was also looking at this family........... >> 1861census RG09/ 2836_007 page 08/9 >> 046: Top o'th Slakes, Darcy Lever, >> head; >> John What is the surname ? >> Betty >> children; >> two of the four are C., >> [something] father; >> John C.,(73) widower joiner born Brightmet, >> So was Betty a naughty girl or a re married widow? >> >> >> Derek Crompton >> London south-east >> no attachments to this e=mail >> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> /////////////////////////////////////. >> >> ------------------------------------- >> List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. >> ------------------------------------- >> This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. >> ------------------------------------- >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ >> ================ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------- >> List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. >> ------------------------------------- >> This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. >> ------------------------------------- >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ >> ================ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. > ------------------------------------- > This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. > ------------------------------------- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ > ================ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------- > List mail will show up in PLAIN TEXT only. > ------------------------------------- > This list is for the CROMPTON surname family history and gossip. > ------------------------------------- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cromptoninfo/ > ================ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROMPTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message