I just want to add that if a church closed, then the records would most likely go to the Diocese Archives, you would need to determine which Diocese the church is in, - look for a Cathedral( the bishops seat), and find the offices for that Diocese. I.E if a church in the Split Diocese were to close you would look for the Cathedral(which is Split), then look for the Split Diocese Offices; write them and ask to have the parish archives researched for the records you want. By the way, most parishes are poor, and a small donation seems to help as well. Dave On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:30:46 -0400 "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> writes: > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by > each > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one > parish > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any > regional > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in > that town > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other > regional > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other > towns/villages > in the area, in that case if we search for those other > towns/villages at LDS > we are not likely to find them. > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to > determine > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need > to > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich > has > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many > cases, by > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and > determine if > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the > town/village > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that > Postal > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of > my GMs > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by > county and > look at all the listings) > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! > (means > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows > Slapno as > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads > Podatak koji > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give > you all > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there > are 11 > towns/villages. > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only > Svetice has a > church today. > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have > records for > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > Note Location > Film > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > > Robert Jerin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, > address and > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from > churches in > Croatia > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > > region. > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > in which they had filmed church > > records. > > > > FHLC > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > Titles > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might > have > filmed > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have > that town > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's > records may > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was > in > touch > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had > located a > record > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But > have > since > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com > Researching > Surnames: > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > > > >

Yes, no one should expect someone to work on their behalf at no cost! And especially not those like the parishes and priest who could use the money for worthy work! Tom Ninkovich does a good job of how much to donate and how to "get to know" the priest so as to get the most of your search. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/lesson3.html Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: <dave9759@juno.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > I just want to add that if a church closed, then the records would most > likely go to the Diocese Archives, you would need to determine which > Diocese the church is in, - look for a Cathedral( the bishops seat), and > find the offices for that Diocese. I.E if a church in the Split Diocese > were to close you would look for the Cathedral(which is Split), then look > for the Split Diocese Offices; write them and ask to have the parish > archives researched for the records you want. By the way, most parishes > are poor, and a small donation seems to help as well. > Dave > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:30:46 -0400 "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> > writes: > > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by > > each > > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one > > parish > > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any > > regional > > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in > > that town > > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other > > regional > > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other > > towns/villages > > in the area, in that case if we search for those other > > towns/villages at LDS > > we are not likely to find them. > > > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to > > determine > > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need > > to > > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich > > has > > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many > > cases, by > > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and > > determine if > > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the > > town/village > > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that > > Postal > > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of > > my GMs > > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by > > county and > > look at all the listings) > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! > > (means > > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows > > Slapno as > > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads > > Podatak koji > > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give > > you all > > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there > > are 11 > > towns/villages. > > > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only > > Svetice has a > > church today. > > > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have > > records for > > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > > > Note Location > > Film > > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, > > address and > > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from > > churches in > > Croatia > > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > > > region. > > > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > > in which they had filmed church > > > records. > > > > > > FHLC > > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > > > Titles > > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might > > have > > filmed > > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have > > that town > > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's > > records may > > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was > > in > > touch > > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had > > located a > > record > > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But > > have > > since > > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com > > Researching > > Surnames: > > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > > > > > > > > >