Robert Jerin wrote: > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in Croatia > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries in which they had filmed church records. FHLC For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records (2 of 5 below) Titles Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > Robert Jerin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have filmed > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in touch > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a record > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have since > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching Surnames: > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >

I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by each parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one parish filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any regional films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in that town (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other regional film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other towns/villages in the area, in that case if we search for those other towns/villages at LDS we are not likely to find them. In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to determine if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need to determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich has developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many cases, by using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and determine if that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the town/village in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that Postal Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of my GMs village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by county and look at all the listings) http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches 2) LDS finds no records. http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! (means search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows Slapno as 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads Podatak koji se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give you all the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there are 11 towns/villages. http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only Svetice has a church today. http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have records for one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) Note Location Film Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film 1551387 Items 3-5 Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film 1551388 Items 1-5 Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in Croatia > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > in which they had filmed church > records. > > FHLC > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > (2 of 5 below) > > Titles > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have filmed > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in touch > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a record > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have since > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching Surnames: > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > >

Robert Jerin wrote: > > I think we are talking about the same thing. Records are filmed by each > parish, ie parishes are not filmed together nor are towns of one parish > filmed along with another parish on the same film. I believe what > Christopher was asking was could Tompojevci been inc. with any regional > films. The answer is no. The parish for Tompjevci is located in that town > (since sometime in 1800s) and would not have been inc in any other regional > film. The church located in Tompjevci may have served other towns/villages > in the area, in that case if we search for those other towns/villages at LDS > we are not likely to find them. What you write may be true in normal times. This was another special case. A church had existed in Tompojevci which is located 154 miles ESE of Zagreb in Vukovarsko z^upanija (county) Back on 13 December 2001 wrote : Tompojevci (z^upa Tompojevci) crke (svete Marije Magdalene) Crka je sagradjena 1856 a obnovljena 1906. Pripadnici pobunjenih Srba i Jugoslavenske narodne armije z^upni su dom opljackali, crku tesko ostetile a inventar potpuno unistili, u rujnu/prosincu 1991. (Parish Tompojevci) church St. Mary Magdalene. Church was built in 1856 and renovated in 1906. Members of the rebel Serbian forces and the Yugoslav National Army severely damaged the parish house and church and destroyed church inventory in September/December 1991. As far as I know the LDS had not previously filmed its parish church records ? > > In the case of a LDS search were no records are found, we need to determine > if a church existed in that town. If no church existed then we need to > determine which parish that town/village belonged to. Tom Ninkovich has > developed one method, that appears to have been successful in many cases, by > using Postal Codes. First check the NEW online phone book and determine if > that town/village has a church. Find the postal code for the town/village > in question and then bring up a list of all towns/villages in that Postal > Code and find which one has a church. For instance in the case of my GMs > village, Slapno (Karlovacka zupanija) > > 1) Phone book lists no church for Slapno (you need to search by county and > look at all the listings) > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 2) LDS finds no records. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > 3) Postal Code Search Type name using all caps then click on Traz"i! (means > search) this will display Postal code which shows Slapno as shows Slapno as > 47281 (Mali Erjavec Post office) then from the line which reads Podatak koji > se pretrazuje select "Naziv pos"tanskog ureda, this will then give you all > the towns/villages in that Postal Code. In the case of 4728` there are 11 > towns/villages. > > http://www.posta.hr/mjestaasp/ > > 4) A search for churches in online phone book finds that only Svetice has a > church today. > > http://imenik.hinet.hr/?A=query&lang=1&def4d=selected&def1=Churches > > 5) A search of LDS Family History Library finds they only have records for > one of those 11 towns/villages.... Svetice. > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Title Maticna knjiga, 1789-1858 > Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Svetice (Main Author) > > Note Location > Film > Rodeni 1789-1858 VAULT INTL Film > 1551387 Items 3-5 > > Vjencani 1789-1857 Umrli 1789-1820 Umrli 1825-1857 VAULT INTL Film > 1551388 Items 1-5 > > Robert Jerin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Re: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > Robert Jerin wrote: > > > > > > There is a church in Tompojevci it is Saint Mary Magdeline, address and > > > phone info for the Parish Office (Zupni Ured) as follows: > > > > > > ZUPNI URED SVETE MARIJE MAGDALENE > > > KATOLICKA CRKVA - BISKUPIJA DjAKOVACKA I SRIJEMSKA > > > ADDRESS - A.G. Matosa 4 > > > COUNTRY, POSTAL CODE AND TOWN - HR-32238 Tompojevci > > > PHONE 385 32 730 049 > > > > > > Tom Ninkovich has suggestions for obtaining records from churches in > Croatia > > > inc a letter in Croatian and English for contacting the church. > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/gen/ltr-church.html > > > > > > Records from LDS are filmed by church and not by town or > region. > > > > I thought the LDS had filmed parish church records at > > State Archives in Croatia by, parish church, religious > > denomination,and town, as they had in most European countries > > in which they had filmed church > > records. > > > > FHLC > > For example,Croatia, Rijeka-Church records > > (2 of 5 below) > > > > Titles > > Maticna knjiga, 1785-1874 Rimokatolicka crkva Zupa Draga(Rijeka) > > Maticna knjiga, 1781-1907 Pravoslavna crkva Zupa Rijeka > > > > > > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christopher Shaw" <christopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com> > > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:10 PM > > > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the CroatianGenWeb page to find out if the FHL might have > filmed > > > the church records of the towm of Tompojevci. It doesn't have that town > > > listed. I was wondering if anyone might know if that town's records may > > > have been filmed with a region or what films I might try. I was in > touch > > > with someone about a year ago who lived near there and had located a > record > > > of a birth in the church records for my PAKLEDINAC surname. But have > since > > > lost contact. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Shawchristopher.shaw@shawgenealogy.com Researching > Surnames: > > > Lucas, Pakledinaz, Hinterhauser, Csihas, Piller, Kehl(Kohl) > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > >