on 5/11/02 8:48 AM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > The most likely location of Bukovac you are looking for is to the east of > Perusic. There are a couple of places by that name which can be found in > the old Hungarian Croatia/Slavonia maps, 1910. Click on Lika-Krbava, it > will take awhile to load. then set bottom browser about 1/3 from left and > side bar about mid point. The places are near the red number 6 on the map. > > http://www.familytree.hu/ > > Some of the listings in Croatian phone book have addresses of BUKOVAC > PERUSICKI indicating that there is a Bukovac near Perusic. Unfortunately > the maps which have been availble at the new Croatian phone book link do not > seem to be working > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > I did not find a place called Hecimovic, but that does not mean that one > does not exist. Typically when family names were taken, some time in the > middle ages, people in a village took on the name of the village and very > few places were named after families. > > Robert Jerin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > > >> on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Doug H." wrote: >>>> >>>> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My > immediate >>>> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the >>>> Perusic area around 1907. >>>> >>>> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin > of >>>> "Hecim"? >>>> >>>> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different >>>> surname? >>>> >>>> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are > generally >>>> recognized in Croatia? >>>> >>>> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other > than >>>> Perusic? >>>> >>>> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many > Hecimovic >>>> who lived there. Is this a family legend? >>>> >>>> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have > recognized >>>> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there >>>> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or > region >>>> in Croatia? >>>> >>>> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). > Can >>>> anyone tell me something about this? >>>> >>>> Thank You, Doug Harlan >>> >>> Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) >>> The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under >>> this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. >>> >>> The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. >>> >>> This is perhaps two variations of surname ? >>> Hec'imovic' >>> Hec^imovic' >>> >>> Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent >>> marks . >>> >>> v >>> c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. >>> >>> >>> c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. >>> >>> The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian >>> surname. >>> >>> I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling >>> of name Ecimovic. >>> Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. >>> >>> Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? >>> >>> 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island >>> 1892-1924. >>> Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. >>> Some were from Bukovac. >>> There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. >>> >>> A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. >>> >>> Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white >>> pages. >>> Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or >>> elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics >>> won't prove any relationship. >>> >>> v >>> Frank Kurcina >>> >>> >> Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, >> >> I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but >> none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for >> Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say >> that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a >> Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the >> same name? >> >> My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = >> "Heh chee mo vitch". >> >> I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this > is >> correct? >> >> I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have >> identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore > and >> maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? >> >> I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and >> related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of >> Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island > records >> show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have > ordered >> the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and >> hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions > for >> the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. >> >> I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships >> but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain > characteristics >> that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? >> >> Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? >> >> Thank you for the help. >> Doug Harlan >> >> > Robert, Thank you for the map reference. It was the first time I could find some other towns that I was looking for. I see the Bakovac River to the North West of Perusic and the town of Bakovac nearby. Are the spellings of Bukovac and Bakovac interchangeable? I also noticed what looks like a town of Bukavina just North East of Perusic. Could this be interchangeable with Rukavina? I have a research interest in members with that surname from the Perusic area as well. Doug Harlan