Hello Doug, You are correct in that both placenames near 6 on the map is Bakovac, however they are both towns and not a river. Rivers are in blue on the map. That river is actually part of Lika River. http://www.kakarigi.net/maps/034.jpg However one thing we know based on the online phone book there is a Bukovac in Perusic Municipality. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > on 5/11/02 8:48 AM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > > The most likely location of Bukovac you are looking for is to the east of > > Perusic. There are a couple of places by that name which can be found in > > the old Hungarian Croatia/Slavonia maps, 1910. Click on Lika-Krbava, it > > will take awhile to load. then set bottom browser about 1/3 from left and > > side bar about mid point. The places are near the red number 6 on the map. > > > > http://www.familytree.hu/ > > > > Some of the listings in Croatian phone book have addresses of BUKOVAC > > PERUSICKI indicating that there is a Bukovac near Perusic. Unfortunately > > the maps which have been availble at the new Croatian phone book link do not > > seem to be working > > > > http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html > > > > I did not find a place called Hecimovic, but that does not mean that one > > does not exist. Typically when family names were taken, some time in the > > middle ages, people in a village took on the name of the village and very > > few places were named after families. > > > > Robert Jerin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> > > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:10 PM > > Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > > > > > >> on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Doug H." wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My > > immediate > >>>> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the > >>>> Perusic area around 1907. > >>>> > >>>> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin > > of > >>>> "Hecim"? > >>>> > >>>> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different > >>>> surname? > >>>> > >>>> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are > > generally > >>>> recognized in Croatia? > >>>> > >>>> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other > > than > >>>> Perusic? > >>>> > >>>> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many > > Hecimovic > >>>> who lived there. Is this a family legend? > >>>> > >>>> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have > > recognized > >>>> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there > >>>> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or > > region > >>>> in Croatia? > >>>> > >>>> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). > > Can > >>>> anyone tell me something about this? > >>>> > >>>> Thank You, Doug Harlan > >>> > >>> Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) > >>> The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under > >>> this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. > >>> > >>> The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. > >>> > >>> This is perhaps two variations of surname ? > >>> Hec'imovic' > >>> Hec^imovic' > >>> > >>> Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent > >>> marks . > >>> > >>> v > >>> c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > >>> > >>> > >>> c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > >>> > >>> The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian > >>> surname. > >>> > >>> I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling > >>> of name Ecimovic. > >>> Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. > >>> > >>> Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? > >>> > >>> 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island > >>> 1892-1924. > >>> Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. > >>> Some were from Bukovac. > >>> There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. > >>> > >>> A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. > >>> > >>> Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white > >>> pages. > >>> Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or > >>> elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics > >>> won't prove any relationship. > >>> > >>> v > >>> Frank Kurcina > >>> > >>> > >> Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, > >> > >> I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but > >> none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for > >> Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say > >> that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a > >> Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the > >> same name? > >> > >> My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = > >> "Heh chee mo vitch". > >> > >> I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this > > is > >> correct? > >> > >> I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have > >> identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore > > and > >> maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? > >> > >> I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and > >> related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of > >> Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island > > records > >> show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have > > ordered > >> the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and > >> hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions > > for > >> the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. > >> > >> I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships > >> but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain > > characteristics > >> that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? > >> > >> Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? > >> > >> Thank you for the help. > >> Doug Harlan > >> > >> > > > Robert, > Thank you for the map reference. It was the first time I could find some > other towns that I was looking for. I see the Bakovac River to the North > West of Perusic and the town of Bakovac nearby. Are the spellings of Bukovac > and Bakovac interchangeable? > > I also noticed what looks like a town of Bukavina just North East of > Perusic. Could this be interchangeable with Rukavina? I have a research > interest in members with that surname from the Perusic area as well. > Doug Harlan > >