Robert Jerin wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Pittsburg and St. Louis industries? > > "D. A. 'Dutch' Martinich" wrote: > > > > In California, the common term for both Croats and Serbs was > > 'Slavonian'. A local term in the Santa Clara Valley was > > 'Jebentibogas'. I'll let Robert or Frank translate that if they are > > up to it. <grin> > > D. > > Slavonia (E) > Slavonija (C) > Szalvónia (H) > Slavonia region as in Croatia-Slavonia. > > http://www.demog.berkeley.edu/~gene/hammel_1-fmt.html Slavonia correction : The majority of the Croatians who emigrated from Dalmacija and Istria had strong Venetian-Italian influences. The Italians called them Schiavoni or "Slavonians" rather than Croatians, so that they would not rebel and join any inland Croatian rebels. In many cases "Slavonian" was used in the American West and Southern states and so became an Americanism which had no relationship to the Croatia-Slavonia region. > BTW > It is not important, but Pittsburg PA was spelled Pittsburgh. > The place in CA had no letter h. > I was born in Pittsburgh. > > > > > >I have heard of Croatians referred to as Bull-hunks, etc. > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > --
At 07:14 AM 5/25/02 -0600, Frank Kurchina wrote: > <cut> > >The majority of the Croatians who emigrated from Dalmacija and Istria >had strong Venetian-Italian influences. The Italians called them >Schiavoni or "Slavonians" rather than Croatians, so that they would not >rebel and join any inland Croatian rebels. <cut> Also perhaps a bit of a play on words; 'schiavoni' can also mean 'slaves'. Joe -----
Hello to everybody; where should I check if I'd like to know something more about the filological roots of the words 'slavonian' / 'schiavone-i' ? and, as I was born in Italy, I'd like also to know why Italians hoped Croatians would not rebel if they were called as 'Slavonians'... Thanks a lot, Jacopo Longo, Italy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Staugaitis <jjs@qis.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Pittsburg and St. Louis industries? > At 07:14 AM 5/25/02 -0600, Frank Kurchina wrote: > > <cut> > > > >The majority of the Croatians who emigrated from Dalmacija and Istria > >had strong Venetian-Italian influences. The Italians called them > >Schiavoni or "Slavonians" rather than Croatians, so that they would not > >rebel and join any inland Croatian rebels. <cut> > > Also perhaps a bit of a play on words; 'schiavoni' can also mean 'slaves'. > > Joe > ----- >