on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > "Doug H." wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My immediate >> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the >> Perusic area around 1907. >> >> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin of >> "Hecim"? >> >> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different >> surname? >> >> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are generally >> recognized in Croatia? >> >> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other than >> Perusic? >> >> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many Hecimovic >> who lived there. Is this a family legend? >> >> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have recognized >> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there >> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or region >> in Croatia? >> >> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). Can >> anyone tell me something about this? >> >> Thank You, Doug Harlan > > Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) > The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under > this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. > > The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. > > This is perhaps two variations of surname ? > Hec'imovic' > Hec^imovic' > > Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent > marks . > > v > c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > > > c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > > The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian > surname. > > I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling > of name Ecimovic. > Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. > > Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? > > 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island > 1892-1924. > Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. > Some were from Bukovac. > There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. > > A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. > > Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white > pages. > Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or > elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics > won't prove any relationship. > > v > Frank Kurcina > > Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the same name? My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = "Heh chee mo vitch". I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this is correct? I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore and maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island records show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have ordered the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions for the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain characteristics that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? Thank you for the help. Doug Harlan

The most likely location of Bukovac you are looking for is to the east of Perusic. There are a couple of places by that name which can be found in the old Hungarian Croatia/Slavonia maps, 1910. Click on Lika-Krbava, it will take awhile to load. then set bottom browser about 1/3 from left and side bar about mid point. The places are near the red number 6 on the map. http://www.familytree.hu/ Some of the listings in Croatian phone book have addresses of BUKOVAC PERUSICKI indicating that there is a Bukovac near Perusic. Unfortunately the maps which have been availble at the new Croatian phone book link do not seem to be working http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html I did not find a place called Hecimovic, but that does not mean that one does not exist. Typically when family names were taken, some time in the middle ages, people in a village took on the name of the village and very few places were named after families. Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug H." <hecimovic@ev1.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Re: (C)Re: [CROATIA-L] Hecimovic > on 5/8/02 2:58 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > > > > > "Doug H." wrote: > >> > >> Can anyone tell me the background on the surname Hecimovic? My immediate > >> family and many others that I'm in contact with came to the US from the > >> Perusic area around 1907. > >> > >> If "ovic" means "son of" or a clan designation, then what is the origin of > >> "Hecim"? > >> > >> Is Ecimovic a cultural variation of Hecimovic or a distinctly different > >> surname? > >> > >> Are there other variations on the spelling of Hecimovic which are generally > >> recognized in Croatia? > >> > >> Are there specific regions of Croatia associated with this name other than > >> Perusic? > >> > >> I've heard there is a town or place named Hecimovic after the many Hecimovic > >> who lived there. Is this a family legend? > >> > >> Amongst those of us in the US who are comparing notes, we have recognized > >> certain distinctive traits or physical aspects in common. Are there > >> distinctive profiles that are recognized for members of this group or region > >> in Croatia? > >> > >> Also, my great grandfather was called something like Cico, (Cheecho). Can > >> anyone tell me something about this? > >> > >> Thank You, Doug Harlan > > > > Perus^ic' is located 85 miles SSW of Zagreb in Lic^ko z^upanija (county) > > The Croatian telephone directory lists 95 surnames Hec'imovic' under > > this county, including 36 surnames listed under Perus^ic'. > > > > The directory also lists 184 surnames Hec^imovic' under Zagreb. > > > > This is perhaps two variations of surname ? > > Hec'imovic' > > Hec^imovic' > > > > Some Croatian characters (letters) employ diacritic-accent > > marks . > > > > v > > c pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-urch. > > > > > > c' pronounced as " ch " in English word ch-eap. > > > > The angular c' is used when c is the last letter in a Croatian > > surname. > > > > I expect that the letter H was left out of the spelling > > of name Ecimovic. > > Rare to see a surname beginning with a vowel. > > > > Rare for a place name to begin Heci ? > > > > 50 surnames Hecimovic emigrated to U.S. via Ellis Island > > 1892-1924. > > Some were from Perus^ic', Croatia. > > Some were from Bukovac. > > There are 3 place names Bukovac located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. > > > > A Hasanovic is located in Bosnia, 24 miles from Sarajevo. > > > > Over 150 surnames Hecimovic are listed in the U.S. telephone white > > pages. > > Since the surname may be from various places in Croatia and/or > > elsewhere ?, short of DNA testing, similar physical characteristics > > won't prove any relationship. > > > > v > > Frank Kurcina > > > > > Thank you for getting back to me on this Frank, > > I see there are 22 listings for Ecimovic in the Zagreb phone directory but > none in Licko. The 1948 census lists 250 people under Ecimovic and 506 for > Hecimovic. The Croatian Genealogical and Heraldic Society wrote me to say > that the names were different. I have also heard that maybe Hecimovic is a > Croatian spelling and Ecimovic may be a Serbian spelling of basically the > same name? > > My understanding of the pronounciation is that Hec^imovic' = > "Heh chee mo vitch". > > I have heard it pronounced like "Heh see mo vitch" but I don't think this is > correct? > > I have studied the Ellis Island list for Hecimovic closely and have > identified several passengers. It seems many also came through Baltimore and > maybe Galveston. Is there a way to see these records on line? > > I have noticed Bukovac as a frequent place of origin for Hecimovic and > related surnames but my map only shows the one that is about 12 km east of > Ogulin. I suspect there is one closer to Perusic as the Ellis Island records > show close relations between people from Bukovac and Perusic. I have ordered > the Map of Croatia from Freytag & Berndt through Barnes and Noble and > hopefully I can do better on locations when it arrives. Any suggestions for > the ultimate map of croatia would be welcome. > > I wasn't expecting to use physical descriptions to determine relationships > but it would be interesting to know if there is are certain characteristics > that are associated with people from Perusic or Lika? > > Do you have any ideas on the name "Cico"? Could this be a nickname? > > Thank you for the help. > Doug Harlan > >