Mary Hegarty wrote: > > on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located A > >> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in 1903 and > >> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' > >> Mary Hegarty > > > > > > In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. > > For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. > > > > Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb > > and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. > > > > Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. > > > > The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia > > and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. > > > > The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. > > What is surname ethnicity ? > > Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? > > Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. > > Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. > Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for Emil > and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around 1904 > but I can't find any record of their passage. > On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as > Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located through > Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on the > Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For > Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. > Mary Hegarty First name Maria can be of many nationalities. Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian given names. When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or Portuguese. # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) What you had written about Maria Fonta who arrived in 1916 is not exactly correct. Ship manifest #23 Ortin, Amalia Residence Opale ?, Austria birthplace Kirschdorf ?, Austria to cousin : Mrs. Mary Oblick Forest City, PA #24 Fonta, Marie Residence Skopeca, Austria birthplace Skop?ka, Austria to friend: Mr.????, Trim ? Chicago, IL Fronter Ave 1226 #25 Herzen, Karolina Residence Hiastje ?, Austria birthplace Hrast? , Austria to Uncle : Herzen Chicago, Leland Ave 22 #26 Merlak, Thersia Residence Minkendorf, Austria birthplace Minkendorf, Austria to husband : Mr. Merlak, Trim ? Chicago, IL Fronter Ave 1226 Conclusion : 5 emmigrants (female) listed above were traveling together in a group from Austria to U.S., so their villages of origin (birthplaces) must have been located close to one another) Their ethnicities were listed as Austria-Slovak which was an error. Find location of one of towns above and you will know which country they had emigrated from. Slovenia seems more probable. There was no country called Slovenia until 1918. In Maria's listing the word Skopeca was heavily written over line, going to: Can read the first and last words only. Addresses are the same , so she was going to Theresia's husband's address in Chicago IL. Minkendorf, formerly Austria is now located in Slovenia Hiastje probably Hraschack,Hrase formerly Austria, is also now located in Slovenia and 1 mile distant from Minkendorf (G) http://feefhs.org/slovenia/towns/townsi-2.html

Frank Kurchina wrote: > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > > on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located A > > >> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in 1903 and > > >> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' > > >> Mary Hegarty > > > > > > > > > In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. > > > For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. > > > > > > Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb > > > and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. > > > > > > Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. > > > > > > The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia > > > and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. > > > > > > The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. > > > What is surname ethnicity ? > > > Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? > > > Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. > > > Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. > > Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for Emil > > and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around 1904 > > but I can't find any record of their passage. > > On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as > > Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located through > > Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on the > > Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For > > Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. > > Mary Hegarty > > First name Maria can be of many nationalities. > > Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) > > 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian > given names. > > When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from > one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or > Portuguese. > > # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 > WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. > There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) > > What you had written about Maria Fonta who arrived in 1916 is not > exactly correct. > > Ship manifest > > #23 Ortin, Amalia > Residence Opale ?, Austria > birthplace Kirschdorf ?, Austria > to cousin : Mrs. Mary Oblick > Forest City, PA > > #24 Fonta, Marie > Residence Skopeca, Austria > birthplace Skop?ka, Austria > to friend: Mr.????, Trim ? > Chicago, IL Fronter Ave 1226 > > #25 Herzen, Karolina > Residence Hiastje ?, Austria > birthplace Hrast? , Austria > to Uncle : Herzen > Chicago, Leland Ave 22 > > #26 Merlak, Thersia > Residence Minkendorf, Austria > birthplace Minkendorf, Austria > to husband : Mr. Merlak, Trim ? > Chicago, IL Fronter Ave 1226 > > Conclusion : > 5 emmigrants (female) listed above were traveling together in a group > from Austria to U.S., so their villages of origin (birthplaces) must > have been located close > to one another) > Their ethnicities were listed as Austria-Slovak which was an error. > Find location of one of towns above and you will know which country they > had emigrated from. > > Slovenia seems more probable. > There was no country called Slovenia until 1918. > > In Maria's listing the word Skopeca was heavily written over line, > going to: > Can read the first and last words only. > Addresses are the same , so she was going to Theresia's husband's > address in Chicago IL. > > Minkendorf, formerly Austria is now located in Slovenia > > Hiastje probably Hraschack,Hrase formerly Austria, is also now located > in Slovenia and 1 mile distant from Minkendorf (G) > > http://feefhs.org/slovenia/towns/townsi-2.html ----------------------------------------------- Had stated that a total 5 emigrants from Slovenia were on the same page in manifest with # 24 Maria Fonta. Had listed only 4. Revised listing is below. Ship manifest Revised listing #22 Dragonja, Maria Residence Kerschdorp ?, Austria birthplace Kirschdorf ?, Austria to uncle : Mr. Widner Pittsburgh, PA Lockhart St N.S. #23 Ortrin, Amalia Residence Opale, Austria birthplace Opale, Austria to cousin : Mrs. Mary Oblick Forest City, PA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > > on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located A > > >> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in 1903 and > > >> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' > > >> Mary Hegarty > > > > > > > > > In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. > > > For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. > > > > > > Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb > > > and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. > > > > > > Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. > > > > > > The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia > > > and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. > > > > > > The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. > > > What is surname ethnicity ? > > > Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? > > > Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. > > > Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. > > Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for Emil > > and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around 1904 > > but I can't find any record of their passage. > > On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as > > Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located through > > Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on the > > Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For > > Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. > > Mary Hegarty > > First name Maria can be of many nationalities. > > Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) > > 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian > given names. > > When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from > one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or > Portuguese. > > # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 > WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. > There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) > Of course Slovak ethnicity existed prior to 1920! There are listings for such on Ellis Island ship manifests. Perhaps meant that Slovakia did not exist prior to 1920. "Over 51 million people lived in the 675,000 square kilometres of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The two largest ethnic groups were Germans (10 million) and Hungarians (9 million). There were also Poles, Croats, Bosnians, Serbians, Italians, Czechs, Ruthenes, Slovenes, Slovaks and Romanians. Overall, fifteen different languages were spoken in the Austro-Hungarian empire." Following the 1848-49 revolution "several concessions were made in favor of the Slovaks - participation in the Administration of the State and the management of communities, the setting up of teaching in Slovak (three high schools included), the creation of a national cultural institution, "The Matica Slovenska" in 1863, the foundation of the Slovak National Museum, the legalization of Slovak as the literary language in Slovakia... "

on 3/9/02 9:18 PM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Polanjek/Skopeca > > >> >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>> on 3/8/02 7:18 PM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know anything about either of these towns? I have located > A >>>>> Stefan Fonta (Austrian Croatian) who arrived in NY from Polanjek in > 1903 and >>>>> a Maria Fonta (Austrian-Slovak) from Skopeca, Austria' >>>>> Mary Hegarty >>>> >>>> >>>> In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter J is pron. Y. >>>> For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. >>>> >>>> Polanyek (Palanjek Pokudski) is located 21 miles SSE of Zagreb >>>> and 9 miles WNW of Petrinja. >>>> >>>> Skopeca sounds-like Skoplje (C) Skopie, Skopje (M), Macedonia. >>>> >>>> The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia >>>> and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia. >>>> >>>> The problem will be locating any surname Fonta bearers in Europe. >>>> What is surname ethnicity ? >>>> Did you mean Austrian-Slovak or Austrian-Slovenian ? >>>> Before WW I, Slovakia was Hungarian and not Austrian. >>>> Before WW I, Slovenia was Austrian. >>> Thank you for the information on Polanjek. I'm actually looking for > Emil >>> and Maria Fonta (my grandparents) who should have arrived in NY around > 1904 >>> but I can't find any record of their passage. >>> On my mother's birth certificate it listed their country of birth as >>> Austria. Stepan Fonta and Maria Fonta are two Fontas that I located > through >>> Ellis Island and I thought they might be relatives. Stepan was listed on > the >>> Passenger record as Austrian-Croatian and Maria as Austrian-Slovak. For >>> Maria the address of closest kin looked like Skopeca: 375 Krskaras. >>> Mary Hegarty >> >> First name Maria can be of many nationalities. >> >> Emil (E) (H) (Cz) (G) (P) Milo (Sk) >> >> 39 surname Fonta are listed at EIR and 18 surnames have Italian >> given names. >> >> When a short surname ends in a letter vowel it can easily from >> one of the Romance languages, i.e. Italian, French, Spanish, or >> Portuguese. >> >> # 24 Maria, age 17, single, Slovak, 1916 >> WW I was fought in Europe August 1914-November 1918. >> There was no official Slovak ethnicity until WW I peace treaty (1920) >> > > Of course Slovak ethnicity existed prior to 1920! There are listings for > such on Ellis Island ship manifests. Perhaps meant that Slovakia did not > exist prior to 1920. > > "Over 51 million people lived in the 675,000 square kilometres of the > Austro-Hungarian Empire. The two largest ethnic groups were Germans (10 > million) and Hungarians (9 million). There were also Poles, Croats, > Bosnians, Serbians, Italians, Czechs, Ruthenes, Slovenes, Slovaks and > Romanians. Overall, fifteen different languages were spoken in the > Austro-Hungarian empire." > > Following the 1848-49 revolution "several concessions were made in favor of > the Slovaks - participation in the Administration of the State and the > management of communities, the setting up of teaching in Slovak (three high > schools included), the creation of a national cultural institution, "The > Matica Slovenska" in 1863, the foundation of the Slovak National Museum, the > legalization of Slovak as the literary language in Slovakia... " > I also wanted to comment about Slovak ethnicity. Frank, you are saying there was no OFFICIAL Slovak ethnicity prior to 1920 and Robert you are saying that many people considered themselves Slovaks regardless. Mary