on 3/17/02 10:09 AM, Robert Jerin at rjerin@adelphia.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Virovitica > > > on 3/17/02 7:37 AM, Frank Kurchina at frankur@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>> What a difference a letter makes. I started to search under Fanta instead > of >>> Fonta and I found my grandmother's passenger record! Marie Fanta arrived >>> with two of the children on Mar. 3, 1909 from Virovitica. She was going > to >>> join her husband Emil in White Plains, NY. On the map of Croatia I > noticed >>> that Virovitica is close to Hungary and it looks like a relatively large >>> town or city. The one thing that's puzzling though is I still can't find >>> Emil's passenger record. >>> Mary Hegarty >> >> Yes. >> The ship manifest listed Last Residence as Virovitica, but more >> important it also listed her place of birth as Virovitica. >> >> >> The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1686-1900) >> for Veröcze (also known as Veroviditz, Verovicza, or Veroviticza), >> Slavonien, Austria; later Verocze, Verocze megye (county), Hungary; >> now Virovitica, Croatia. >> Text in Latin and Croatian. >> >> film # >> 1738864 >> 1738865 >> 1738866 >> 1738867 >> 1738878 >> 1738879 >> 1738880 >> 2120511 >> 2120512 >> >> >> These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing >> at any Family History Center (FHC) worldwide. >> 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research. >> >> LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS >> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp >> >> Virovitica >> http://www.ring.net/virovitica/eng/ > Yes, I'm going to get into those records asap. But what happened after 1900? > I also noticed that on the manifest her mother is listed as maybe Cath ? > looks like Pavkolovic. > > Hello Mary, > > Did you notice that there is citizenship info (numbers and dates) for > Mathilde and Jula written on the ship manifest? That should help you in > finding their citizenship paperwork. > > I would almost agree that it is Pavkolovic however that surname is not > found anywhere in Croatia, in the current online phone books. Nor are there > any listings at Ellis Island for that surname. However the surname > PAVLEKOVIC is found in Croatia and also in Virovitca area. Perhaps the > surname is from the male given name Pavle=Paul, the IC ending means son of. > > As far as Emil's ship manifest, I looked and looked under various sp and > found none. A few possiblities exist why you can not find him listed: > > 1) his name has been grossly mis-transcribed > > 2) he did not arrive through Ellis Island > > 3) he came on someone else's passport! > > Here is another immigrant listing, where you can search. > > http://istg.rootsweb.com/ > > > Robert Jerin Robert, I saw those numbers but I had no idea what they meant. When and how are these citzenship numbers assigned? Going back to the Emil Fanta mystery, I can't imagine how someone could get such a simple name wrong but I'm sure it happens. I'm going to check Canada first, I think and I guess he could have used someone else's passport but he must have had his 8 year son, Charles with him. I can't find any record of him either. Also when I was looking through the death Index I found an Emil and Charles Fanta. The DOBs didn't work, Emil was born in 1908 and Charles in 1897, but the death residence locatlities were the same - Vernon, WI. Cousins maybe? Mary

the names could be misspelled in two ways-one, when they gave their name and two, when the records were transcribed for the internet. my great-grandmother came over with an uncle who was already living in pittsburgh, pa. because the writing is so hard to read, the transcriber clearly had to guess at what his name was. so i have no idea who he is and pittsburgh is too large even in 1910 to try to go through the census records. also i think that it is important to read over the actual manifest because i found a case where the transcriber put that the person's age was 17, but the manifest clearly show them as 19! i have never been able to find my great-grandfather either, although it is certainly possible that he came through another port. finally, i have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization?