My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. Diane Koss ----- Original Message ----- From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before his > family. > > i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for naturalization? > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but when he > > >> was > > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he used > > >> on > > >> his naturalization papers. > > >> > > >> Joan > > >> > > > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > > Chuck > > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > > Mary >

Also.... he did not use his family surname, Korica, in the US. He kept his assumed name, Kos. It was interesting though that when he named his 4 boys, all born in the US, he gave them all the middle name of Korica. Even his wife was known as Bessie Korica Kos(s). The family was told that Korica was the real name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koss" <tkoss5@cox.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > Diane Koss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > > > oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > his > > family. > > > > i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > > > > Mary Hegarty wrote: > > > > > on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > >> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > > > >>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > naturalization? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > when he > > > >> was > > > >> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > used > > > >> on > > > >> his naturalization papers. > > > >> > > > >> Joan > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > > > > Chuck > > > But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > > > Mary > > >

on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > Diane Koss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > > >> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > his >> family. >> >> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >> >> Mary Hegarty wrote: >> >>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > naturalization? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > when he >>>>> was >>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > used >>>>> on >>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>> >>>>> Joan >>>>> >>>> >>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>> Chuck >>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>> Mary >> Diane, Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when did your father-in-law come to the US? Mary Hegarty

One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission to leave the country. The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This is actually his older brother Lawrence. Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed papers. Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? Regards, Ashley >on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > >> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He >> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. >> Diane Koss >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> >> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records >> >> >>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before >> his >>> family. >>> >>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >>> >>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>> >>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for >> naturalization? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but >> when he >>>>>> was >>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he >> used >>>>>> on >>>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joan >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>>> Chuck >>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>>> Mary >>> >Diane, >Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when >did your father-in-law come to the US? >Mary Hegarty --

on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS > conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, > pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called > up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed > their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission > to leave the country. > The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, > borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled > by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not > have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't > served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get > out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his > cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a > STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. > Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these > weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name > though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his > naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those > papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did > make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly > would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. > I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa > because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This > is actually his older brother Lawrence. > Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS > conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly > drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the > preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the > fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed > papers. > > Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill > towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, > CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? > > Regards, > Ashley > > > >> on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: >> >>> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He >>> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. >>> Diane Koss >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> >>> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records >>> >>> >>>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before >>> his >>>> family. >>>> >>>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? >>>> >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, >>>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his >>>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for >>> naturalization? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but >>> when he >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he >>> used >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> his naturalization papers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joan >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. >>>>>> Chuck >>>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? >>>>> Mary >>>> >> Diane, >> Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when >> did your father-in-law come to the US? >> Mary Hegarty > Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? Mary Hegarty

My second oldest sister had her 100 th birthday in June. She told us that when Pa came home from his 3 years in Franz Jose;phs' army he had acape with a bright red lining, a sword and a picture of Franz Joseph on a white horse on a battle field with dead soldiers all over the place. It covered a whole door. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hegarty" <mhegarty@cybertron.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Austrian draft pre-WW1 > on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > > > One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS > > conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, > > pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called > > up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed > > their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission > > to leave the country. > > The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, > > borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled > > by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not > > have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't > > served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get > > out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his > > cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a > > STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. > > Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these > > weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name > > though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his > > naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those > > papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did > > make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly > > would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. > > I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa > > because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This > > is actually his older brother Lawrence. > > Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS > > conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly > > drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the > > preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the > > fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed > > papers. > > > > Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill > > towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, > > CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? > > > > Regards, > > Ashley > > > > > > > >> on 3/19/02 9:21 AM, Koss at tkoss5@cox.net wrote: > >> > >>> My husband's grandfather used someone else's name to leave the country. He > >>> did not want to get drafted into the Austrian Army. > >>> Diane Koss > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "amy davis" <amy@syndromedist.com> > >>> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:06 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] misspellings of names on ellis island records > >>> > >>> > >>>> oh! well, i don'y know about that. this relative came over first before > >>> his > >>>> family. > >>>> > >>>> i wonder why people would use someone else's name? > >>>> > >>>> Mary Hegarty wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> on 3/17/02 9:31 PM, CMSWI04@aol.com at CMSWI04@aol.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2002 9:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, > >>>>>> JPIPICH@aol.com writes: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> have a distant cousin-in-law who used someone else's name, so his > >>>>>>>> record will never be found. i wonder how he applied for > >>> naturalization? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My father-in-law used someone else's name when he came to US, but > >>> when he > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> naturalized he had to admit to that and it gave the person's name he > >>> used > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> his naturalization papers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also keep in mind not everyone was naturalized. > >>>>>> Chuck > >>>>> But would it be possible to use someone else's name for a child too? > >>>>> Mary > >>>> > >> Diane, > >> Do you know if married men were drafted into the Austrian army? Also, when > >> did your father-in-law come to the US? > >> Mary Hegarty > > > Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think > someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? > Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? > Mary Hegarty >