----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Austrian draft pre-WW1 > > > JimTedrick@aol.com wrote: > > > > My gr. grandfather Gajo Kukic (44) came from Goricka through Trieste in > > February 1913 to Ellis and his son Stojsa 15 and a half (16 on the manifest) > > through Bremen in November 1913. I have read that even though war had not > > formally started that there were hostlities in the part of the wourld where > > they came from. I wonder if they were avoiding military service in any way? > > They left their wife/mother behind and as far as I know never made it back. > > Jim > > Jim, > > Just a thought > > Believe military conscription was between ages 18-45 with 3 years > active service followed by a reserve (militia) commitment. > > It is strange that your gr. GF would travel 130 miles from Goric^ka to > Trieste, so he could sail down the Adriatic Sea (450 miles ?) then > around > the boot of Italy and across the Mediterranean Sea and only then across > the > Atlantic Ocean to NYC. > > While his son traveled 646 miles (probably by train) from Goric^ka to > Bremen, > Germany and then sailed across the North Sea and Atlantic Ocean to NYC. > > Perhaps it was just a question of cheaper ship fare ? Could have been a cheaper fair or one of a few other factors. There certainly were fewer Croatians leaving via Adriatic ports of Trieste and Fiume (Rijeka) than there were via Bremen. But severl factors no doubt determined port of departure. Those factors involved shipping agents and land transportation available. There were shipping agents working in various places at various times. Sometimes US companies would work in conjunction with shipping agents recruiting labor for US mines, mills, factories and lumbering operations. The following port of departure data is from the Burgenland bunch web page. Prior to 1918, the the majority of Austro-Hungarian emigrants left from the following ports as the numbers indicate: Hamburg & Bremen- 2,389,325 Rotterdam & Antwerp- 653,613 Le Havre- 89,335 Some emigrants from the southern parts (including most of central and eastern Hungary) left from: Genoa- 96,038 Trieste- 76,849 Fiume (Rijeka)- 242,470 Robert Jerin >

Robert Jerin wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Austrian draft pre-WW1 > > > > > > > JimTedrick@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > My gr. grandfather Gajo Kukic (44) came from Goricka through Trieste in > > > February 1913 to Ellis and his son Stojsa 15 and a half (16 on the > manifest) > > > through Bremen in November 1913. I have read that even though war had > not > > > formally started that there were hostlities in the part of the wourld > where > > > they came from. I wonder if they were avoiding military service in any > way? > > > They left their wife/mother behind and as far as I know never made it > back. > > > Jim > > > > Jim, > > > > Just a thought > > > > Believe military conscription was between ages 18-45 with 3 years > > active service followed by a reserve (militia) commitment. > > > > It is strange that your gr. GF would travel 130 miles from Goric^ka to > > Trieste, so he could sail down the Adriatic Sea (450 miles ?) then > > around > > the boot of Italy and across the Mediterranean Sea and only then across > > the > > Atlantic Ocean to NYC. > > > > While his son traveled 646 miles (probably by train) from Goric^ka to > > Bremen, > > Germany and then sailed across the North Sea and Atlantic Ocean to NYC. > > > > Perhaps it was just a question of cheaper ship fare ? > > Could have been a cheaper fair or one of a few other factors. > > There certainly were fewer Croatians leaving via Adriatic ports of Trieste > and Fiume (Rijeka) than there were via Bremen. But severl factors no doubt > determined port of departure. Those factors involved shipping agents and > land transportation available. There were shipping agents working in > various places at various times. Sometimes US companies would work in > conjunction with shipping agents recruiting labor for US mines, mills, > factories and lumbering operations. The following port of departure data is > from the Burgenland bunch web page. > > Prior to 1918, the the majority of Austro-Hungarian emigrants left from the > following ports as the numbers indicate: > > Hamburg & Bremen- 2,389,325 > Rotterdam & Antwerp- 653,613 > Le Havre- 89,335 > > Some emigrants from the southern parts (including most of central and > eastern > Hungary) left from: > > Genoa- 96,038 > Trieste- 76,849 > Fiume (Rijeka)- 242,470 > > Robert Jerin > Interesting. And if you exclude Austria which was the Burgenland emphasis. Hamburg & Bremen, Antwerp and Rotterdam drop to perhaps 50 % Traffic through Genoa which is on the western coast of Italy increases. And the Hungarians with their oppressive immigration law of 1904, try to funnel all emigrants through the port of Fiume/ Rijeka. Total emigrants from HUNGARY 1871-1913 Hamburg 420,002 Bremen 874,685 Genoa, Italy; Le Havre, France; Antwerp, Belgium,and Rotterdam, Holland were first used as ports of exit from HUNGARY in 1889. 1889-1913 Genoa 13,131 Le Havre 51,852 Antwerp 206,231 Rotterdam 114,680 Trieste and Fiume/Rijeka were first used as ports of exit from HUNGARY in 1904. 1904-1913 Trieste 32,032 Fiume 305,299 Ethnic division of immigrants from Hungary to the U.S. 1900-1912 Totals Hungarians - 387,391 Slovaks - 387,472 Germans - 218,630 Croats/Slovenes - 239,842 Serbs - 34,456 Ruthenes - 43,079 Romanians - 98,175 Source : Royal Central Statistical Office Budapest, 1918 v Frank Kurcina