Mary, I suspect you could get on board at LeHavre with any kind of a good story and something that looked like paperwork. And cash. Getting off at Ellis and getting to stay might be another story. Grandma even 60 years later shivered over the worry everyone had, she had, her roommate had, over getting to stay. From the looks of the manifest, Grandma's roommate was not allowed to stay as she is recorded as unlikely to be able to support herself. Grandma also mentioned consumption to me, that anyone with a cough or a cold was in agony lest they be detained and deported for TB. I haven't found that you can do a year by year search at Ellis but the search engine is somewhat manipulable. Once you get into the files, you can change the year range or do a year by year search. It works best when they are not busy and also when your computer is free of multi-tasking. Frank has very good reusults searching. Perhaps he could comment on that question, and also on the most likely times in 24 hours to not get bumped. Ashley > > >Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think >someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? >Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? >Mary Hegarty >on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > >> One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS >> conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, >> pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called >> up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed >> their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission >> to leave the country. >> The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, >> borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled >> by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not >> have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't >> served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get >> out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his >> cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a >> STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. >> Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these >> weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name >> though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his >> naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those >> papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did >> make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly >> would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. >> I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa >> because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This >> is actually his older brother Lawrence. >> Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS >> conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly >> drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the >> preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the >> fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed >> papers. >> >> Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill >> towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, >> CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? >> >> Regards, > > Ashley > --
Hello Ashley, There is a way to look at Ellis Island files by year. It can be done at the following web page: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/mm.htm Robert Jerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Tiwara" <grubisic@netwurx.net> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Austrian draft pre-WW1 > Mary, > I suspect you could get on board at LeHavre with any kind of > a good story and something that looked like paperwork. And cash. > Getting off at Ellis and getting to stay might be another story. > Grandma even 60 years later shivered over the worry everyone had, she > had, her roommate had, over getting to stay. From the looks of the > manifest, Grandma's roommate was not allowed to stay as she is > recorded as unlikely to be able to support herself. Grandma also > mentioned consumption to me, that anyone with a cough or a cold was > in agony lest they be detained and deported for TB. > I haven't found that you can do a year by year search at > Ellis but the search engine is somewhat manipulable. Once you get > into the files, you can change the year range or do a year by year > search. It works best when they are not busy and also when your > computer is free of multi-tasking. > Frank has very good reusults searching. Perhaps he could > comment on that question, and also on the most likely times in 24 > hours to not get bumped. > > Ashley > > > > > > > >Ashley, What a great story. That's interesting about Leharve. Do you think > >someone could use someone else's identity traveling with an eight year old? > >Also, can you search Ellis Island by year? > >Mary Hegarty > > > > > >on 3/21/02 11:58 PM, Ashley Tiwara at grubisic@netwurx.net wrote: > > > >> One of the questions I asked Thomas Edlund about at the FEEFHS > >> conference was whether married men were subject to the draft, > >> pre-WW1. He more or less said that they usually wouldn't be called > >> up, that single men were a priority, but that unless they'd completed > >> their military service, they would not be allowed to have permission > >> to leave the country. > >> The question came up because my grandfather, Juraji GRUBISIC, > >> borrowed the papers of Thomas STARCEVIC to leave the area controlled > >> by Austria. He was married in 1906 and I had thought he would not > >> have been draftable, but legally this wasn't so. Since he hadn't > >> served in the military, he would have been denied a passport. To get > >> out of the country, which he did in 1907, he needed to borrow his > >> cousin's papers. Or at least, Grandpa's aunt was married to a > >> STARCEVIC so I think he used her son or grandson's papers. > >> Interestingly, on the ship's manifest is a note that these > >> weren't his papers. Ellis doesn't list Grandpa under his own name > >> though, just under his cousin's name. When Grandpa got his > >> naturalization papers in the 1920's, this same note shows up on those > >> papers, that Grandpa arrived using someone else's papers. It did > >> make it easier for me to find him at the Ellis site and I certainly > >> would have wondered why he didn't show up at all as a GRUBISIC. > >> I can be pretty sure that the STARCEVIC of 1907 is Grandpa > >> because he says he's going to visit a friend, Lovro GRUBISIC. This > >> is actually his older brother Lawrence. > >> Grandpa came thru Le Havre. Several presenters at the FEEFHS > >> conference mentioned Le Havre as the port of choice if you had poorly > >> drawn or defective papers. It seems that this French port was the > >> preferred embarkation point for those who wanted to get away with the > >> fewest questions asked. Just what one would need with borrowed > >> papers. > >> > >> Anyone else researching GRUBISIC or STARCEVIC from the hill > >> towns east of Rijeka? Or PETROVIC, BLAZEVIC, KRUZIC, KUCHAN, TOMIC, > >> CERNICH, or KAUZLARIC, and many more names from the area also? > >> > >> Regards, > > > Ashley > > > > > -- >