I totally agree with Jim, that you should check out the alternate website for Ellis Island. I have been looking for Janos Virgulak, and his son, John, who according to John's Declaration of Intent stated that he came to America on the Red Starline ship, The Vaderland, into the Port of New York on April 8, 1902. I found Janos' wife Maria, and their three other children coming into the US on the Ellis Island site, but by pure luck. Putting in the name Virgulak, I got 1 hit, and it was not a relative, in fact, reading the original Manifest the name did not look like Virgulak. I checked all of the close hits and the alternate spelling hits, and nothing came up. Finally just put in Ver** for the last name, thinking that sounded more like Virgulak than Vir. I knew the name of the ship, the Nieuw Amsterdam, and the arrival, May 21, 1907. I got a hit for Istvan Ver, who was on the Nieuw Amsterdam, for the date of May 21, 1907, but the age was off by quite a few years. Long story short, going through the text manifest, I found the right family, spelled Virguljak. Now why the Ellis Island search engine did not connect Virguljak with Virgulak, or at least as an alternate spelling is beyond me. I also found Janos coming back over with his second son, Franjo, on September 11, 1906, on the S.S. Kroonland, just as his Declaration of Intent states, but their names are spelled Virguluk, and again the Ellis Island search engine did not pick it up as close hits or an alternate hit. But, the other part of this is that I could never find Janos and John coming in. Finally went on Stephen Morse's site: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html, and put in the date, April 8, 1902, and sure enough, after some searching I found the two of them listed on the Manifest for The Vaderland, arriving on April 8, 1902, in the port of NY, just like the Declaration of Intent papers said. But the last name was spelled Valyarik. Now, I am trying to figure out how Virgulak became Valyarik. I do know it is them, the ages match up correctly, and I spent the better part of the evening going through the entire manifest, and those two were the only ones that come close. So, the moral of this very long story is to check out Stephen Morse's website, and play around with the name. Oh, and believe it or not, I could not find them on the Ellis Island site, under Valyarik! Finally, after going through the entire manifest on the pacbell site, I wrote down a few names that were very legible, and tried those on the Ellis site, and just kept on checking for the year 1902 until I came up with the right ship and date. And I did find them, under Malyarik! I, for the life of me cannot understand how it was transcribed as that, unless the people transcribing it were using a different manifest than what I saw. It is definitely a "V". Now, for my question. Their last place of residence is listed as Uj Loove. Anybody have any ideas where it is? Haven't checked any thing out yet on it, but was wondering if anybody knew where it was. Thanks for listening to my ramblings! And thanks for any help you can give. Marge Duffy Virgulak De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. Jesus, A Never Ending Friend "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" Beannachtai agus Siochain AN IRISH BLESSING May God grant you always A sunbeam to warm you A moonbeam to charm you A sheltering angel So nothing can harm you Laughter to cheer you Faithful friends near you And whenever you pray Heaven to hear you

MKVIRG@aol.com wrote: > > I totally agree with Jim, that you should check out the alternate website for > Ellis Island. I have been looking for Janos Virgulak, and his son, John, who > according to John's Declaration of Intent stated that he came to America on > the Red Starline ship, The Vaderland, into the Port of New York on April 8, > 1902. I found Janos' wife Maria, and their three other children coming into > the US on the Ellis Island site, but by pure luck. Putting in the name > Virgulak, I got 1 hit, and it was not a relative, in fact, reading the > original Manifest the name did not look like Virgulak. I checked all of the > close hits and the alternate spelling hits, and nothing came up. Finally just > put in Ver** for the last name, thinking that sounded more like Virgulak than > Vir. I knew the name of the ship, the Nieuw Amsterdam, and the arrival, May > 21, 1907. I got a hit for Istvan Ver, who was on the Nieuw Amsterdam, for the > date of May 21, 1907, but the age was off by quite a few years. Long story > short, going through the text manifest, I found the right family, spelled > Virguljak. Now why the Ellis Island search engine did not connect Virguljak > with Virgulak, or at least as an alternate spelling is beyond me. I also > found Janos coming back over with his second son, Franjo, on September 11, > 1906, on the S.S. Kroonland, just as his Declaration of Intent states, but > their names are spelled Virguluk, and again the Ellis Island search engine > did not pick it up as close hits or an alternate hit. But, the other part of > this is that I could never find Janos and John coming in. Finally went on > Stephen Morse's site: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html, and > put in the date, April 8, 1902, and sure enough, after some searching I found > the two of them listed on the Manifest for The Vaderland, arriving on April > 8, 1902, in the port of NY, just like the Declaration of Intent papers said. > But the last name was spelled Valyarik. Now, I am trying to figure out how > Virgulak became Valyarik. I do know it is them, the ages match up correctly, > and I spent the better part of the evening going through the entire manifest, > and those two were the only ones that come close. So, the moral of this very > long story is to check out Stephen Morse's website, and play around with the > name. Oh, and believe it or not, I could not find them on the Ellis Island > site, under Valyarik! Finally, after going through the entire manifest on the > pacbell site, I wrote down a few names that were very legible, and tried > those on the Ellis site, and just kept on checking for the year 1902 until I > came up with the right ship and date. And I did find them, under Malyarik! I, > for the life of me cannot understand how it was transcribed as that, unless > the people transcribing it were using a different manifest than what I saw. > It is definitely a "V". Now, for my question. Their last place of residence > is listed as Uj Loove. Anybody have any ideas where it is? Haven't checked > any thing out yet on it, but was wondering if anybody knew where it was. > Thanks for listening to my ramblings! And thanks for any help you can give. > Marge Duffy Virgulak The common place name prefix új means new in Hungarian. Probably hundreds of place names with this prefix. In Croatian it would be equivalent to novo + plus some name. If the transcriber had read the next letter after j correctly it was probably újlo..? What was the surname Virguljak village/town of origin ? The letter 'lj' is South Slavic; Croatia, Slovenija, etc. Perhaps can work backwards to Last Residence ? Where was Pinanica located ? > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > May God grant you always > A sunbeam to warm you > A moonbeam to charm you > A sheltering angel > So nothing can harm you > Laughter to cheer you > Faithful friends near you > And whenever you pray > Heaven to hear you > >

I also have had good luck with Steve Morse's sites this week. And I also have found family where it is clearly written correctly on the ship's manifest but was transcribed incorrectly at the Ellis Island Site. Is there anyway that we can notify someone at the Ellis Island site about the incorrect entry and have it corrected in case others have difficulty finding the same person? Kathy Meznarich Jacobs MKVIRG@aol.com wrote: > I totally agree with Jim, that you should check out the alternate website for > Ellis Island. I have been looking for Janos Virgulak, and his son, John, who > according to John's Declaration of Intent stated that he came to America on > the Red Starline ship, The Vaderland, into the Port of New York on April 8, > 1902. I found Janos' wife Maria, and their three other children coming into > the US on the Ellis Island site, but by pure luck. Putting in the name > Virgulak, I got 1 hit, and it was not a relative, in fact, reading the > original Manifest the name did not look like Virgulak. I checked all of the > close hits and the alternate spelling hits, and nothing came up. Finally just > put in Ver** for the last name, thinking that sounded more like Virgulak than > Vir. I knew the name of the ship, the Nieuw Amsterdam, and the arrival, May > 21, 1907. I got a hit for Istvan Ver, who was on the Nieuw Amsterdam, for the > date of May 21, 1907, but the age was off by quite a few years. Long story > short, going through the text manifest, I found the right family, spelled > Virguljak. Now why the Ellis Island search engine did not connect Virguljak > with Virgulak, or at least as an alternate spelling is beyond me. I also > found Janos coming back over with his second son, Franjo, on September 11, > 1906, on the S.S. Kroonland, just as his Declaration of Intent states, but > their names are spelled Virguluk, and again the Ellis Island search engine > did not pick it up as close hits or an alternate hit. But, the other part of > this is that I could never find Janos and John coming in. Finally went on > Stephen Morse's site: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html, and > put in the date, April 8, 1902, and sure enough, after some searching I found > the two of them listed on the Manifest for The Vaderland, arriving on April > 8, 1902, in the port of NY, just like the Declaration of Intent papers said. > But the last name was spelled Valyarik. Now, I am trying to figure out how > Virgulak became Valyarik. I do know it is them, the ages match up correctly, > and I spent the better part of the evening going through the entire manifest, > and those two were the only ones that come close. So, the moral of this very > long story is to check out Stephen Morse's website, and play around with the > name. Oh, and believe it or not, I could not find them on the Ellis Island > site, under Valyarik! Finally, after going through the entire manifest on the > pacbell site, I wrote down a few names that were very legible, and tried > those on the Ellis site, and just kept on checking for the year 1902 until I > came up with the right ship and date. And I did find them, under Malyarik! I, > for the life of me cannot understand how it was transcribed as that, unless > the people transcribing it were using a different manifest than what I saw. > It is definitely a "V". Now, for my question. Their last place of residence > is listed as Uj Loove. Anybody have any ideas where it is? Haven't checked > any thing out yet on it, but was wondering if anybody knew where it was. > Thanks for listening to my ramblings! And thanks for any help you can give. > Marge Duffy Virgulak > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > May God grant you always > A sunbeam to warm you > A moonbeam to charm you > A sheltering angel > So nothing can harm you > Laughter to cheer you > Faithful friends near you > And whenever you pray > Heaven to hear you > >

MKVIRG@aol.com wrote: > > I totally agree with Jim, that you should check out the alternate website for > Ellis Island. I have been looking for Janos Virgulak, and his son, John, who > according to John's Declaration of Intent stated that he came to America on > the Red Starline ship, The Vaderland, into the Port of New York on April 8, > 1902. I found Janos' wife Maria, and their three other children coming into > the US on the Ellis Island site, but by pure luck. Putting in the name > Virgulak, I got 1 hit, and it was not a relative, in fact, reading the > original Manifest the name did not look like Virgulak. I checked all of the > close hits and the alternate spelling hits, and nothing came up. Finally just > put in Ver** for the last name, thinking that sounded more like Virgulak than > Vir. I knew the name of the ship, the Nieuw Amsterdam, and the arrival, May > 21, 1907. I got a hit for Istvan Ver, who was on the Nieuw Amsterdam, for the > date of May 21, 1907, but the age was off by quite a few years. Long story > short, going through the text manifest, I found the right family, spelled > Virguljak. Now why the Ellis Island search engine did not connect Virguljak > with Virgulak, or at least as an alternate spelling is beyond me. I also > found Janos coming back over with his second son, Franjo, on September 11, > 1906, on the S.S. Kroonland, just as his Declaration of Intent states, but > their names are spelled Virguluk, and again the Ellis Island search engine > did not pick it up as close hits or an alternate hit. But, the other part of > this is that I could never find Janos and John coming in. Finally went on > Stephen Morse's site: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html, and > put in the date, April 8, 1902, and sure enough, after some searching I found > the two of them listed on the Manifest for The Vaderland, arriving on April > 8, 1902, in the port of NY, just like the Declaration of Intent papers said. > But the last name was spelled Valyarik. Now, I am trying to figure out how > Virgulak became Valyarik. I do know it is them, the ages match up correctly, > and I spent the better part of the evening going through the entire manifest, > and those two were the only ones that come close. So, the moral of this very > long story is to check out Stephen Morse's website, and play around with the > name. Oh, and believe it or not, I could not find them on the Ellis Island > site, under Valyarik! Finally, after going through the entire manifest on the > pacbell site, I wrote down a few names that were very legible, and tried > those on the Ellis site, and just kept on checking for the year 1902 until I > came up with the right ship and date. And I did find them, under Malyarik! I, > for the life of me cannot understand how it was transcribed as that, unless > the people transcribing it were using a different manifest than what I saw. > It is definitely a "V". Now, for my question. Their last place of residence > is listed as Uj Loove. Anybody have any ideas where it is? Haven't checked > any thing out yet on it, but was wondering if anybody knew where it was. > Thanks for listening to my ramblings! And thanks for any help you can give. > Marge Duffy Virgulak Why didn't online Ellis Island Records connect surname Virgulak with Virguljak ? Aside from misspelling or possible bad transcription there are a number of reasons, e.g. Valyarik, Malyarik. The EIR transcribers were all 'volunteers' but I doubt many understood any foreign languages, especially Slavic ones. The Indexes to Passenger Lists for U.S. ports of entry use Soundex Code to locate surnames. Virgulak and Virguljak and other spellings would all be under V624. However, the online EIR doesn't use Soundex Code, but a new linguistics system that was developed specifically for their own purposes ? Don't know ethnicity of your surnames ? Three South Slavic languages use the letter 'lj', which is a single letter. In most Slavic languages the letter j is pron. y. For example, Jugoslavija = Yugoslavia. In Croatian 'lj' pron. ly. In Slovene 'lj' pron. ly, e.g. Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia. In Serbian (Cyrillic) Jb = 'lj' and also is pron. ly. Re place names in my reply 30 April 2001 at this same mailing list. Before WW I, there was a Lábod located at Nagyatád which was the district seat for the Nagy-Atád járás (district) for Hungarian Somogy Megye (county) It is located 118 miles SW of Budapest, Hungary and across from the current Croatian border (about 30 miles west of Koprivnica, Croatia) You believed that Janos Virgulak, your great, grandfather-in-law (husband to Maria Paki - whose birthplace is listed as Beszurfa) was born there, and one of his sons was listed as being born in Nagy Atat. János Virgulak , who was Maria's husband, resided in Brownsville, PA, located in a coal-mining region in SW PA U.S. If Uj Loove had been poorly transcribed in ship manifest (where script letter S was misread as letter L) then it was újsóvé, formerly located in Bács-Bodrog megye, Hungary and now located in Serbia and called Ravno selo. Ravno selo is located 60 miles NW of Beograd, Serbia.