TodeyL@aol.com wrote: > > I think that I may have finally located my grandfather Ivan Tadej on the 16 > Dec. 1892 Ellis Island passenger list on ship Stuttgart from Bremen. His name > was translated as Ivan Fadej. The T became an F. The age 20 and going to > Illinois was right. Now questions to the experts. It states he is from > Bohemia when he was born in Fuzine. Were others from Fuzine sometimes > recorded as Bohemia? Is there a second page on the 1892 list - like a list I > have from 1899 that gave the amount of cash that the passenger had and the > name of person they were joining or who sponsored them? > With one phone line and slow connection speed and slow computer it takes me > forever - can someone please help? Is this my grandfather? All I have to go > on is statement in the Census when he said he immigrated in 1892 at age 20. > Thank you for your help. > Louise Looked at your EIR ship manifest for arrival of Ivan Tadej in 1892. It was not the original ship manifest, but some sort of abbreviated listing with little surname information. Ivan Fadej, age 20, miner, going to Ill. The original ship manifests had 30 columns of surname information. Obviously the Bohemian Bohemia (meaning Czech-Bohemia) was an error due to entries made by German ship manifest writer. Emigrants from Czech-Bohemia usually used the German ports Bremen or Hamburg for exit from Europe. The text version indicated most the the emigrants were from Bohemia, although other emigrants were from Hungary and even Russia. Stuttgart was a Norddeutscher Lloyd [North Germen Lloyd] ship. You have date of ship arrival in NYC 16 December 1892. The local LDS FHC has microfilm rolls of ship arrivals in NYC Beginning Date 16 June 1897. The original PLs for online Ellis Island Records (NYC) only began with 1897. But, LDS volunteers for the EIR indexed records beginning with 1892. Have no idea what manifests were used, but obviously not the same ones available after 1897 at LDS FHCs. That is a dilemma ! STUTTGART (1) The "Stuttgart" was built by Fairfield Co Ltd, Glasgow in 1889 for Norddeutscher Lloyd [North Germen Lloyd]. This was a 5,048 gross ton ship, length 415ft x beam 48ft, one funnel, two masts, single screw and a speed of 13 knots. Accommodation was provided for 44-1st, 36-2nd and 1,955-3rd class passengers. Launched on 26/10/1889, she left Bremen on her maiden voyage to Montevideo and Buenos Aires on 10/1/1890. On 28/8/1890 she commenced her first Bremen - Baltimore voyage and on 11/1/1891 her first Bremen - New York voyage. Her first Bremen - Australia via Suez voyage commenced on 1/7/1896. Her last North Atlantic voyage started on 3/12/1899 when she left Bremen for New York having made a total of 35 round voyages on the N.Atlantic service. On 16/5/1900 she started her first Bremen - Far East run and on 7/4/1903 made her last of 8 round voyages. On 13/7/1904 she started her last Bremen - Australia sailing (9 round voyages) and on 12/1/1907 resumed Bremen - South America sailings. Her final voyage commenced on this service on 14/12/1907 and she was scrapped the following year. [ North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.2,p.554] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 6 December 1997]