Hi Robert, Thanks, yes I am looking for church records. I have spoken with my mother and we have examined her birth certificate and it states ZUPNI URED - LUKOVDOL PREBIVALISTE I NADLEZNOST - OSOJNIK KOTAR - KARLOVAC I have my mothers records but I want to go backwards as my granparents and their parents all lived in Osojnik so we figure that it should also be the same Parish. Looks like the easiest method will be the tried and tested letter. Yes, I've also looked at the phone book and Domitrovic is almost as common as Smith especially when you get out of Osojnik but apparently like with Smith a lot of them were not related. To obtain records from the Registrars Office what sort and amount of information is required to be provided because when I go beyond my parents all I have is names, no dates. Regards, Branko Colavizza branko.colavizza@bigpond.com http://www.geocities.com/bcolaau/ -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:rjerin@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 12:32 AM To: branko.colavizza@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Domitrovic Hello Branko, Are you looking for church records for Lukovdol or for Osojnik? For Lukovdol apparently the LDS does not have microfilm records for this parish, the easiest way to find what records they have is to search for Lukovdol (no need to enter Croaita as the search will find all places with that name)at the web page below: http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=localitysearch&columns=*,180,0 From the Croatia online phone book here is the church and address info for the church at Lukovdol: KATOLICKA CRKVA-RIJECKA NADBISKUPIJA Address- LUKOVDOL 31 Country, Postal Code and Town- HR-51328 LUKOVDOL ZUPNI URED UZNESENJA BDM Phone -385 51 871 243 Now if it is for someone from Osojnik I am not certain what the parish was for that village. One way that I try to determine what the parish is/was for a place is to check Postal Code, here is what I found entering Osojnik's Code and asking for all places in that postal code area MJESTO BROJ PU NAZIV POTANSKOG UREDA DAMALJ 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI DRAGA LUKOVDOLSKA 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI KLANAC 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI LIPLJE 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI MALI JADRC 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI MOCILE 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI OSOJNIK 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI PLECIVICA 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI PONIKVE 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI RIM 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI SEVERIN NA KUPI 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI SMILJAK 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI VELIKI JADRC 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI ZDIHOVO 51329 SEVERIN NA KUPI Checking by browsing activities, Religous..., and then Churches I found no church for any of those places. So Lukovdol may be the parish for Osojnik. If you click on home from my link list you will find a tutorial on how to write a letter to a parish asking for records, Tom Ninkovich who began that web page along with others has an example letter in Eng and Croatian and how to ask and how much to expect to donate to the church for this work. http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/index.html Also you can get simple birth, marriage records, etc from the Maticni Ured, Registrars Office for that municipality by wrting them, they have a set fee for that service. However they are not detailed as the church records would be, the church records read sort of like a family tree. I am not certain which municipality Osojnik would be located in, Cabar is the closest one listed in the phone book in Primorsko-goransko county. Here are DOMITROVIC listings in Osojnik. 20. DOMITROVIC ZDRAVKO OSOJNIK, OSOJNIK 3 (+385) 51 872 051 21. DOMITROVIC ZVONKO OSOJNIK, OSOJNIK 57 (+385) 51 872 045 22. DOMITROVIC ZVONKO OSOJNIK, OSOJNIK 39 (+385) 51 872 047 Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland, Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Branko Colavizza" <branko.colavizza@bigpond.com> To: <CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Domitrovic > Hi Frank, > > Thanks for the info. I have located the LDS centre close to me and have only > managed to identify 1 roll of film for Croatia which I find strange. I'm > interested in the Lukovdol Parish in Osojnik in Karlovac, prior to 1927. Can > you help with any film numbers which I should be able to source in the local > LDS centre in Australia. > > > > Regards, > Branko Colavizza > branko.colavizza@bigpond.com > http://www.geocities.com/bcolaau/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Kurchina [mailto:frankur@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 7:05 AM > To: CROATIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Domitrovic and Colavizza (Kolovica) > > > > > Branko wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm new to this game and need some advice. I have traced through living > > relatives the two family names back to somewhere in the 1850's and can not > > proceed. The Colavizza name goes into Italy (Udine) where records appear > not > > to exist prior to 1870. I have found a family in Columbia who would appear > > to relate but again all goes back to Udine. > > > > The Domitrovic name goes back into Osojnik and little to get on with. > > > > If there is anyone out there that can point me in the right direction or > > even relate to these two names I would welcome the information. What I > have > > to date has been posted at http://www.geocities.com/bcolaau/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > > Branko Colavizza > > branko.colavizza@bigpond.com > > http://www.geocities.com/bcolaau/ > > More Slavic surnames begin with the initial letter K > than other letters. > > Italian has no letter K and uses the letter C instead. > [letter 'C' (before e/i) is pron. as phonetic ch > letter 'C' (before a/o/u) is pron. as phonetic k] > > The Italian letter z is generally pron. like ts. > Any consonants can be doubled for a more foreceful sound. > In most Slavic languages the plain letter c is pron. ts. > > So would expect that surname Colavizza is the Italian > equivalent of the surname Kolovica. > > Following WW 1, Italy took for itself the southwestern portion of > duchy of Carniola, the county of Gorizia-Gradisca, the margraviate of > Istria, the town of Trieste, the southern portion of the county of > Tyrol, city of Zadar /Zara (formerly part of the Kingdom of Dalmatia), > and the islands of Cherso/Ceres, Lusino/Los^inj, and Lagosta/Lastovo > > When the Italian Fascists took power in the 1930s they forced some > Croatians in territory mentioned below to convert their surnames to > Italian names. > > Trieste (I) Trst (C/Sl) Triest (G) > In 1926, Trieste, Istria, southwestern Carniola, and northern Dalmatia > was divided into the districts of Trieste/Trst Rijeka/Fiume, and > Pula/Pola > by Italy. > > 1815-1866 Istria (including Trieste) was part of the Austrian Empire. > > 1867-1918 Istria was part of of Austria under the dual Austro-Hungarian > Monarchy. > > 1918-1947 Istria was part of Italy, not Croatia or Yugoslavia. > > The 1947 (WW 2) peace treaty recognized Yugoslavia's acquisition of > the former Italian territory. > This included Dalmatian city of Zadar/Zara and the islands of > Cres/Cherso, Los^inj/Lusino, and Lastovo/Lagosta, as well as former city > of Rijeka/Fiume and, farther north, western Slovenia and part of Istria. > > There are Croatian Italian surname bearers who ancestors never set > foot in Italy proper. > Some Croats had two surnames, a Croatian surname and an equivalent > Italian family name. > Some Croatian surnames bearers had Italian first names. > > There are two place names Osojnik in Croatia. > A Osojnik is located just NW of Dubrovnik. > A Osojnik is located near Bjelovar. > > The Croatian telephone directory lists : > > 2 surname Domitrovic' under Dubrovnik. > 2 surname Domitrovic' in Istria. > 22 surname Domitrovic' under Bjelovar county. > 60 surname Domitrovic' under Karlovac county. > 135 surname Domitrovic under Zagreb. > There probably are others as well. > > As for Croatians in South America. > Many Croatians emigrated to that continent early on. > Mostly to Brazil. > But, also to Argentina, Peru, Chile, etc. > > Of course, early on many Croatians did emigrate to the Land of Oz and to > NZ. > >