Ah, yes Croatian cooking has been influenced by the Turks, Austria, Hungarians and Italians. It has been said the finest wheat for strudels in the old Habsburg Empire came from... the Slavonia region of Croatia! Of course Croatians enjoy those things the Turks left behind such as burek... but having had Turkish Burek one evening in Ulm Germany I can tell you the Croatians have improved on that Turkish recipe! Even Croatian music has infuences from all those cultures while most Croatian Americans know about tamburitza (which are said to be descended from the lute from the Indian sub-continent) few know about klapa and other types of music found in Croatia. Robert Jerome Buza <[email protected]> wrote: Robert, I just checked out those sites and put some in my Favorites so I can go back to them. I have two of the cookbooks in the sites, the one from the church in Los Angeles and the Best of Croatian Cooking. It is interesting reading them and finding things that my Grandmother made. However, I am finding that most of her cooking leaned more toward the German-Hungarian being her mother in law was DonauSwaben. The Croatian recipes lean more toward the Turkish style like I learned while living in Turkey for two years. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jerin" To: Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian recipe links > Margaret, > > Aha, I have never heard that term. Evidently it is a German word... roux > = die Einbrenne in German Of course I know about roux as one of my > favorite dishes to make is Jambalya, which begins with a roux ... takes > the better part of a day. Interesting how words are exchanged amongst > peoples... my Grandmother called her homemade cottage cheese Schmierkase > > But even in the Croatian language there are some borrowed words... > > For instance German for bacon is spek, one Croatian word is spek, ham is > shincken in German and sunka in Croatian, polenta is used by many > Croaitans but is an Italian word but the real Croatian word zgonci (not > certain of the spelling) is in Bosnia they call it pule or pure, this is > great with a veal stew over the top.... mmm... > > Here are some links Croatian recipes > > http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/34_croatian_recipes.htm > > http://www.balkanweb.com/kroacia/recipes.htm > > http://www.gourmed.gr/recipes/croatian/?gid=1&nodeid=13 > > http://www.pitt.edu/~slavic/sli/admin/croatcook.html > > http://www.hvar.hr/Default.aspx?tabid=640 > > http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=croatian > > http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/croatian/ > > http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/Index.htm > > Dobar tek! > > Robert > > > > > Jerome Buza wrote: > Hi Robert, Eimprem or Einbren is what my grandmother called "roux". > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Jerin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> Sounds good! >> >> What is Eimprem? >> >> Robert >> >> Jerome Buza wrote: >> Thanks Robert, I will read that page and enjoy it, I am sure. My family >> always made the Sarma with sauerkraut, no tomatoes, and that is the way I >> love it. Of course, there was an Eimprem, too. While living in Turkey, I >> ate their Sarma and it was different,but we grew to love it. Mom just >> boiled the leaves in vinegar water and when I was young, the produce man >> at >> the local A & P store gave my mom the outer leaves. Now, they don't have >> them available. So, growing the cabbages in our garden at our mountain >> cabin in AZ has become our way of having the larger leaves of cabbage to >> use. >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >> >> >>> Ahh.... just had some REAL Croatian Sarma at Marie's Restaurant on St >>> Clair in Cleveland. The owners are the family Sabalic from Ljubuski, >>> Hercegovina. REAL sarma must always be made using "soured leaves", which >>> we can purchase at Zagreb Meats on St Clair. If you can not purchase >>> "soured cabbage" then par boiling the leaves in vinegar water may work. >>> For many years I did not like sarma, then I discovered that many (most >>> immigrants I know here in Cleveland) do not add tomatoes, and that is >>> what >>> I did not like! Most here will make a rue and then add paprika and a bit >>> of water to make a delicous sauce to pour over the sarma and mashed >>> potatoes or dumplings. >>> >>> My experience with the (too) many Croatian functions that I attend is >>> that >>> if there are many immigrants the food is authentic and if the majority >>> are >>> American born the food has some resemblance to the authentic stuff but >>> does not come close. >>> >>> Here is a recipe that I have found to my taste from the Embassy web >>> page. >>> >>> http://www.croatiaemb.org/basic_facts/christmas97.htm >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Karen Heiser wrote: >>> Dear List - I think the "western expansion" did in a lot of our families >>> and >>> traditions. Traveling 30 miles for the family reunion is a lot easier >>> and >>> cheaper than travelling 2500 miles. And then there is the marriage >>> thing...not many of us were able to marry within our ethnicity, so then >>> you >>> have another whole set of traditions to work with. >>> But if you don't stop talking about lamb and sarma, the drooling is >>> going >>> to >>> ruin my keyboard! >>> Karen Heiser >>> Weed, Siskiyou, CA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerome Buza" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>> >>> >>>> Another reason for the demise of many of the family customs is the way >>>> we >>>> travel around and move far away. We try to keep up our family customs >>> even >>>> though we are in AZ and most of the family is in MI or IL. However, >>>> many >>> of >>>> my aunts and uncles married people that were not that interested and >>>> now >>> the >>>> kids aren't either. My generation knows that my mom cooked like Grandma >>> and >>>> that I cook like mom and are asking me for recipes. However, many >>>> didn't >>>> have the traditions followed all their lives like I did with my mother >>>> and >>>> my husband did with his part of the Polish family. Our own daughter has >>>> been living in TX for 20 of her 21 years of married life and doesn't >>> follow >>>> our traditions. Her kids are fussy and wouldn't eat the food anyway. >>>> Margaret >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "al toennies" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>>> >>>> > Good question Joy! I think a bunch of siblings (like these folks >>>> > were) >>>> > can keep it together naturally but when they start to fade away and >>>> > you >>>> > are left with cousins and a collection of spouses with family ties of >>>> > their own, you need a catalytic agent of some sort - maybe a person >>>> > or >>>> > a >>>> > group of people that pulls or pushes the different family members >>>> > together. They have to be either loved or feared or so much of a pain >>> it >>>> > the butt that everybody gives in to avoid further hassles. I watched >>>> > my >>>> > mother's Swedish family gatherings wither away after my Grandmother >>> died - >>>> > she was a catalyst of a sort and no one replaced her. >>>> > >>>> > Al in Music City >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > >>>> > From: "Joy Durrett" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:57 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Why didn't the next generation keep it going? Sounds like a great >>>> >> way >>> to >>>> >> keep the family together. >>>> >> >>>> >> Joy >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "al toennies" >>>> >> To: >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:52 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> My wife's family (all of Croatian descent) used to have a picnic at >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> summer home in Silver Lake, WI (we were all from Chicago) and >>>> >>> roasted >>> a >>>> >>> whole lamb over charcoal in a 55 gallon drum split lengthwise with >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> home-made turning mechanism >>>> >>> doing all the heavy work. I was never a big fan of lamb but I made >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> exception for that - Most of those folks are gone now but the >>>> >>> memories >>>> >>> remain including the best lamb I have ever eaten. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Al in Music City >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>> To: >>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:44 PM >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I must admit that I roasted just a leg and used my Weber with nice >>> hot >>>> >>>> coals on the side. Pleeeze don't tell any real Croatians about my >>>> >>>> "unorthodox" method of using a Weber! Everyone here loves roast >>>> >>>> lamb >>>> >>>> except the wife. So it was enough for the gang. But IMHO the >>>> >>>> secret >>>> >>>> is selecting the right piece, trimming much of the fact and then >>>> >>>> coating the lamb with olive oil, salt (I use Croatian Podravka >>> Vegeta), >>>> >>>> pepper, fresh chopped garlic and rosemary and let it marinate in >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> fridge for a day or more... then setting the piece out about 2 >>>> >>>> hours >>>> >>>> before placing on the grill. Oh the other trick is slow roasting, >>>> >>>> no >>>> >>>> flame, just hot coals and not too close to the coals....mmmm.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It has been several years since our Junior tammie group here in >>>> >>>> Cleveland had a picnic... at that time we would take most of Sat >>>> >>>> afternoon to set up 8 whole lambs and 9 pigs on spits, then season >>> them >>>> >>>> and put them in the cooler for Sun am.. after that we would feast >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> gulas that I would make along with salad, some wine and slivovitz >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> one of the father's, who has since passed away would play his >>> harmonika >>>> >>>> (accordian) and all the guys would dance to his Bosanac songs! >>>> >>>> What >>> a >>>> >>>> sight! Then at 4 AM on Sunday I would meet my friend Mato Vrbic at >>> the >>>> >>>> picnic center to prepare the fire... then a little coffee with >>>> >>>> slivovitz of course... and about 6AM we would consider the coals >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> the brick lined floor hot enough to place the first few pieces on >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> spit... then about 11:30 ish the first ones would come off to be >>>> >>>> cut >>>> >>>> and served.... that Sunday would finish up at about 10-11 PM >>>> >>>> making >>>> >>>> sure the center was left in better condition than we found it! >>>> >>>> Lots >>>> >>>> of work but I miss those ! >>>> >>>> days... >>>> >>>> as they brought back memories of my Grandparent's PLASAJ (Mirko >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> Mary) and my cousin's BAKALE (Ivan and Johanna)farms in PA and the >>>> >>>> picnics we would have there. But they are all gone now so we try >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> carry on some semblance of those traditions..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.podravka.com/en/products/index.php?if=new_products.php >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is a photo that may bring back some memories >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rogergou/bast4.jpeg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> nharamija wrote: >>>> >>>> Robert; Let us see your grille and how you set it up. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:50 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My wife did those things! I was busy roasting.... lamb! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>>> >>>> That's right!!! We were all busy baking and cooking and dying eggs >>> and >>>> >>>> cleaning the house for company. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "dave mothkovich" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:32 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Everybody got busy, and then the holiday came, it happens. >>>> >>>>> Christmas >>>> >>>>> was >>>> >>>>> different, everyone had time to chat it up. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:45:41 +0800 "John Stefanac" >>>> >>>>> writes: >>>> >>>>>> Is it just quiet on this list or have I somehow been kicked off >>>> >>>>>> it >>>> >>>>>> again >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> >>>>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> >>>>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: >>>> >>>>> 3/27/2005 >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interested in visting Croatia? 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