Ah? Ah, more detail please, Patty? I occasionally get up to Mpls and St. P and I'd love to try out a Croatian restaurant there. If you have the name or the name and address, I can do a map off MapQuest for the next time. Thanks for the idea, Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Reuter, Patty To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast In the "Cities", in South St. Paul, there is a VFW affectionately called the "Cro". It is the only place I know that still serves Croatian food in the Twin Cities area. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast Don, Talk about people knowing how to live! When we lived in "The Cities" 1980-1984 (Minnesotan for The Twin Cities aka Minneapolis St Paul) we enjoyed driving or taking the train to Dulut (no h !) there was a small "Yugoslav" restaurant in Dulut, can not recall the name. Just wondered if it is still there. I was amazed at the connection that Dulut and Cleveland, Cleveland Cliffs and other ore shipping etc.. Robert Donald Marinkovich <[email protected]> wrote: I ran, TO THE STORE, Paul Bizals finer meats and klobase, in Chisholm of course. The sarma was always covered with kraut in our house. I remember a woman asking for fifteen cents soup bone. I was told that Coldagelli bought Postudensheks recepe, he could even have been related. I read somewhere that there is no such thing as a melting pot. We have it here. A friend told me that his kids are three forths bohunk and they have a Finnlander name. His mother and his wife were both Slovenian and his father was Finn, he was the model for the iron man statue, and he was the president of our local union when I worked there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reuter, Patty" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > Don, > > What is the name of the store that you ran? Was it in Chisholm? My > granparents always got their sausage from Coldageliis. We would have it > every time we came up from the cities. We have a Sarma recipie from the > Perpich's that says we should cover the sarma in sour kraut and then bake > it. Has anyone tried that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Marinkovich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > > In the days, before home refridgerators, it was my job to run to the > store. > When Ma made sarmas that ment 1/3 gd beef, 1/3 gd pork, 1/3 gd ham. > Kisele > glavice came from the barrel in the basement. Eventually I made my own > sour > kraut. and I would include a few heads for sarmas but for my use a crock > was big enough. Once I tasted sarmas wraped in leaves from a frozen head > I > decided that souring heads was no longer worth the bother. I have a son > living in Denver. When he comes to the iron range he has to get enough > blood sausage (krvavice)for him and a buddy with an Italian last name but > had a Slovenian mother. There are still a few places where they still > have > good Slovenian Polish sausage. On the range every thing geets mixed up. > One > of the better places to get Polish sausage was at Coldagelilis in Eveleth. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerome Buza" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast > > >> Thanks Robert, I will read that page and enjoy it, I am sure. My family >> always made the Sarma with sauerkraut, no tomatoes, and that is the way I >> love it. Of course, there was an Eimprem, too. While living in Turkey, >> I >> ate their Sarma and it was different,but we grew to love it. Mom just >> boiled the leaves in vinegar water and when I was young, the produce man >> at the local A & P store gave my mom the outer leaves. Now, they don't >> have them available. So, growing the cabbages in our garden at our >> mountain cabin in AZ has become our way of having the larger leaves of >> cabbage to use. >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >> >> >>> Ahh.... just had some REAL Croatian Sarma at Marie's Restaurant on St >>> Clair in Cleveland. The owners are the family Sabalic from Ljubuski, >>> Hercegovina. REAL sarma must always be made using "soured leaves", >>> which >>> we can purchase at Zagreb Meats on St Clair. If you can not purchase >>> "soured cabbage" then par boiling the leaves in vinegar water may work. >>> For many years I did not like sarma, then I discovered that many (most >>> immigrants I know here in Cleveland) do not add tomatoes, and that is >>> what I did not like! Most here will make a rue and then add paprika and >>> a bit of water to make a delicous sauce to pour over the sarma and >>> mashed >>> potatoes or dumplings. >>> >>> My experience with the (too) many Croatian functions that I attend is >>> that if there are many immigrants the food is authentic and if the >>> majority are American born the food has some resemblance to the >>> authentic >>> stuff but does not come close. >>> >>> Here is a recipe that I have found to my taste from the Embassy web >>> page. >>> >>> http://www.croatiaemb.org/basic_facts/christmas97.htm >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> Karen Heiser wrote: >>> Dear List - I think the "western expansion" did in a lot of our families >>> and >>> traditions. Traveling 30 miles for the family reunion is a lot easier >>> and >>> cheaper than travelling 2500 miles. And then there is the marriage >>> thing...not many of us were able to marry within our ethnicity, so then >>> you >>> have another whole set of traditions to work with. >>> But if you don't stop talking about lamb and sarma, the drooling is >>> going >>> to >>> ruin my keyboard! >>> Karen Heiser >>> Weed, Siskiyou, CA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerome Buza" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>> >>> >>>> Another reason for the demise of many of the family customs is the way >>>> we >>>> travel around and move far away. We try to keep up our family customs >>> even >>>> though we are in AZ and most of the family is in MI or IL. However, >>>> many >>> of >>>> my aunts and uncles married people that were not that interested and >>>> now >>> the >>>> kids aren't either. My generation knows that my mom cooked like Grandma >>> and >>>> that I cook like mom and are asking me for recipes. However, many >>>> didn't >>>> have the traditions followed all their lives like I did with my mother >>>> and >>>> my husband did with his part of the Polish family. Our own daughter has >>>> been living in TX for 20 of her 21 years of married life and doesn't >>> follow >>>> our traditions. Her kids are fussy and wouldn't eat the food anyway. >>>> Margaret >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "al toennies" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>>> >>>> > Good question Joy! I think a bunch of siblings (like these folks >>>> > were) >>>> > can keep it together naturally but when they start to fade away and >>>> > you >>>> > are left with cousins and a collection of spouses with family ties of >>>> > their own, you need a catalytic agent of some sort - maybe a person >>>> > or >>>> > a >>>> > group of people that pulls or pushes the different family members >>>> > together. They have to be either loved or feared or so much of a pain >>> it >>>> > the butt that everybody gives in to avoid further hassles. I watched >>>> > my >>>> > mother's Swedish family gatherings wither away after my Grandmother >>> died - >>>> > she was a catalyst of a sort and no one replaced her. >>>> > >>>> > Al in Music City >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > >>>> > From: "Joy Durrett" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:57 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Why didn't the next generation keep it going? Sounds like a great >>>> >> way >>> to >>>> >> keep the family together. >>>> >> >>>> >> Joy >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "al toennies" >>>> >> To: >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:52 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> My wife's family (all of Croatian descent) used to have a picnic at >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> summer home in Silver Lake, WI (we were all from Chicago) and >>>> >>> roasted >>> a >>>> >>> whole lamb over charcoal in a 55 gallon drum split lengthwise with >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> home-made turning mechanism >>>> >>> doing all the heavy work. I was never a big fan of lamb but I made >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> exception for that - Most of those folks are gone now but the >>>> >>> memories >>>> >>> remain including the best lamb I have ever eaten. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Al in Music City >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>> To: >>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:44 PM >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I must admit that I roasted just a leg and used my Weber with nice >>> hot >>>> >>>> coals on the side. Pleeeze don't tell any real Croatians about my >>>> >>>> "unorthodox" method of using a Weber! Everyone here loves roast >>>> >>>> lamb >>>> >>>> except the wife. So it was enough for the gang. But IMHO the >>>> >>>> secret >>>> >>>> is selecting the right piece, trimming much of the fact and then >>>> >>>> coating the lamb with olive oil, salt (I use Croatian Podravka >>> Vegeta), >>>> >>>> pepper, fresh chopped garlic and rosemary and let it marinate in >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> fridge for a day or more... then setting the piece out about 2 >>>> >>>> hours >>>> >>>> before placing on the grill. Oh the other trick is slow roasting, >>>> >>>> no >>>> >>>> flame, just hot coals and not too close to the coals....mmmm.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It has been several years since our Junior tammie group here in >>>> >>>> Cleveland had a picnic... at that time we would take most of Sat >>>> >>>> afternoon to set up 8 whole lambs and 9 pigs on spits, then season >>> them >>>> >>>> and put them in the cooler for Sun am.. after that we would feast >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> gulas that I would make along with salad, some wine and slivovitz >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> one of the father's, who has since passed away would play his >>> harmonika >>>> >>>> (accordian) and all the guys would dance to his Bosanac songs! >>>> >>>> What >>> a >>>> >>>> sight! Then at 4 AM on Sunday I would meet my friend Mato Vrbic at >>> the >>>> >>>> picnic center to prepare the fire... then a little coffee with >>>> >>>> slivovitz of course... and about 6AM we would consider the coals >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> the brick lined floor hot enough to place the first few pieces on >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> spit... then about 11:30 ish the first ones would come off to be >>>> >>>> cut >>>> >>>> and served.... that Sunday would finish up at about 10-11 PM >>>> >>>> making >>>> >>>> sure the center was left in better condition than we found it! >>>> >>>> Lots >>>> >>>> of work but I miss those ! >>>> >>>> days... >>>> >>>> as they brought back memories of my Grandparent's PLASAJ (Mirko >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> Mary) and my cousin's BAKALE (Ivan and Johanna)farms in PA and the >>>> >>>> picnics we would have there. But they are all gone now so we try >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> carry on some semblance of those traditions..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.podravka.com/en/products/index.php?if=new_products.php >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is a photo that may bring back some memories >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rogergou/bast4.jpeg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> nharamija wrote: >>>> >>>> Robert; Let us see your grille and how you set it up. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:50 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My wife did those things! I was busy roasting.... lamb! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>>> >>>> That's right!!! We were all busy baking and cooking and dying eggs >>> and >>>> >>>> cleaning the house for company. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "dave mothkovich" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:32 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Everybody got busy, and then the holiday came, it happens. >>>> >>>>> Christmas >>>> >>>>> was >>>> >>>>> different, everyone had time to chat it up. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:45:41 +0800 "John Stefanac" >>>> >>>>> writes: >>>> >>>>>> Is it just quiet on this list or have I somehow been kicked off >>>> >>>>>> it >>>> >>>>>> again >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> >>>>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>> >>>>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: >>>> >>>>> 3/27/2005 >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interested in visting Croatia? 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