I can't find "zafrik" in either of my dictionaries. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marinkovich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian recipe links > I'm pretty sure that my mother called tha zafrik. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerome Buza" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian recipe links > > >> Robert, thanks for those sites. I didn't know what a "roux" was until I >> was an adult. My mom and grandma always said "Eimprem" and in many of my >> Croatian and Slovenian church cookbooks, it is spelled "Eimprem" or >> "Aimprem". It was only in the past few years that I knew it was >> "Einbrenne" in German and I lived in Germany for 3 years in the 60's. I >> guess I was too busy tending to my 3 little children and didn't pay >> attention to the relatives. I did pick up a lot of words then, though. >> I do have some Slovenian to English and Croation to English and vice >> versa dictionaries that I need to find and use more often. >> I knew about "speck" or Spek and shincken and sunka and my dad called >> polenta "gonca". in Slovenian which would be like the zgonci that you >> mentioned. >> God bless, Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Jerin" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Croatian recipe links >> >> >>> Margaret, >>> >>> Aha, I have never heard that term. Evidently it is a German word... >>> roux = die Einbrenne in German Of course I know about roux as one of my >>> favorite dishes to make is Jambalya, which begins with a roux ... takes >>> the better part of a day. Interesting how words are exchanged amongst >>> peoples... my Grandmother called her homemade cottage cheese Schmierkase >>> >>> But even in the Croatian language there are some borrowed words... >>> >>> For instance German for bacon is spek, one Croatian word is spek, ham is >>> shincken in German and sunka in Croatian, polenta is used by many >>> Croaitans but is an Italian word but the real Croatian word zgonci (not >>> certain of the spelling) is in Bosnia they call it pule or pure, this is >>> great with a veal stew over the top.... mmm... >>> >>> Here are some links Croatian recipes >>> >>> http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/34_croatian_recipes.htm >>> >>> http://www.balkanweb.com/kroacia/recipes.htm >>> >>> http://www.gourmed.gr/recipes/croatian/?gid=1&nodeid=13 >>> >>> http://www.pitt.edu/~slavic/sli/admin/croatcook.html >>> >>> http://www.hvar.hr/Default.aspx?tabid=640 >>> >>> http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=croatian >>> >>> http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/croatian/ >>> >>> http://www.croatianmall.com/croatia/food/Index.htm >>> >>> Dobar tek! >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jerome Buza <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Robert, Eimprem or Einbren is what my grandmother called "roux". >>> Margaret >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>> >>> >>>> Hi Margaret, >>>> >>>> Sounds good! >>>> >>>> What is Eimprem? >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>>> Thanks Robert, I will read that page and enjoy it, I am sure. My family >>>> always made the Sarma with sauerkraut, no tomatoes, and that is the way >>>> I >>>> love it. Of course, there was an Eimprem, too. While living in Turkey, >>>> I >>>> ate their Sarma and it was different,but we grew to love it. Mom just >>>> boiled the leaves in vinegar water and when I was young, the produce >>>> man >>>> at >>>> the local A & P store gave my mom the outer leaves. Now, they don't >>>> have >>>> them available. So, growing the cabbages in our garden at our mountain >>>> cabin in AZ has become our way of having the larger leaves of cabbage >>>> to >>>> use. >>>> Margaret >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ahh.... just had some REAL Croatian Sarma at Marie's Restaurant on St >>>>> Clair in Cleveland. The owners are the family Sabalic from Ljubuski, >>>>> Hercegovina. REAL sarma must always be made using "soured leaves", >>>>> which >>>>> we can purchase at Zagreb Meats on St Clair. If you can not purchase >>>>> "soured cabbage" then par boiling the leaves in vinegar water may >>>>> work. >>>>> For many years I did not like sarma, then I discovered that many (most >>>>> immigrants I know here in Cleveland) do not add tomatoes, and that is >>>>> what >>>>> I did not like! Most here will make a rue and then add paprika and a >>>>> bit >>>>> of water to make a delicous sauce to pour over the sarma and mashed >>>>> potatoes or dumplings. >>>>> >>>>> My experience with the (too) many Croatian functions that I attend is >>>>> that >>>>> if there are many immigrants the food is authentic and if the majority >>>>> are >>>>> American born the food has some resemblance to the authentic stuff but >>>>> does not come close. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a recipe that I have found to my taste from the Embassy web >>>>> page. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.croatiaemb.org/basic_facts/christmas97.htm >>>>> >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> Karen Heiser wrote: >>>>> Dear List - I think the "western expansion" did in a lot of our >>>>> families >>>>> and >>>>> traditions. Traveling 30 miles for the family reunion is a lot easier >>>>> and >>>>> cheaper than travelling 2500 miles. And then there is the marriage >>>>> thing...not many of us were able to marry within our ethnicity, so >>>>> then >>>>> you >>>>> have another whole set of traditions to work with. >>>>> But if you don't stop talking about lamb and sarma, the drooling is >>>>> going >>>>> to >>>>> ruin my keyboard! >>>>> Karen Heiser >>>>> Weed, Siskiyou, CA >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jerome Buza" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:58 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Another reason for the demise of many of the family customs is the >>>>>> way >>>>>> we >>>>>> travel around and move far away. We try to keep up our family customs >>>>> even >>>>>> though we are in AZ and most of the family is in MI or IL. However, >>>>>> many >>>>> of >>>>>> my aunts and uncles married people that were not that interested and >>>>>> now >>>>> the >>>>>> kids aren't either. My generation knows that my mom cooked like >>>>>> Grandma >>>>> and >>>>>> that I cook like mom and are asking me for recipes. However, many >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> have the traditions followed all their lives like I did with my >>>>>> mother >>>>>> and >>>>>> my husband did with his part of the Polish family. Our own daughter >>>>>> has >>>>>> been living in TX for 20 of her 21 years of married life and doesn't >>>>> follow >>>>>> our traditions. Her kids are fussy and wouldn't eat the food anyway. >>>>>> Margaret >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "al toennies" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:25 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Good question Joy! I think a bunch of siblings (like these folks >>>>>> > were) >>>>>> > can keep it together naturally but when they start to fade away and >>>>>> > you >>>>>> > are left with cousins and a collection of spouses with family ties >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > their own, you need a catalytic agent of some sort - maybe a person >>>>>> > or >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > group of people that pulls or pushes the different family members >>>>>> > together. They have to be either loved or feared or so much of a >>>>>> > pain >>>>> it >>>>>> > the butt that everybody gives in to avoid further hassles. I >>>>>> > watched >>>>>> > my >>>>>> > mother's Swedish family gatherings wither away after my Grandmother >>>>> died - >>>>>> > she was a catalyst of a sort and no one replaced her. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Al in Music City >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > From: "Joy Durrett" >>>>>> > To: >>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:57 AM >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Why didn't the next generation keep it going? Sounds like a great >>>>>> >> way >>>>> to >>>>>> >> keep the family together. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Joy >>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >> From: "al toennies" >>>>>> >> To: >>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:52 AM >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> My wife's family (all of Croatian descent) used to have a picnic >>>>>> >>> at >>>>>> >>> a >>>>>> >>> summer home in Silver Lake, WI (we were all from Chicago) and >>>>>> >>> roasted >>>>> a >>>>>> >>> whole lamb over charcoal in a 55 gallon drum split lengthwise >>>>>> >>> with a >>>>>> >>> home-made turning mechanism >>>>>> >>> doing all the heavy work. I was never a big fan of lamb but I >>>>>> >>> made >>>>>> >>> an >>>>>> >>> exception for that - Most of those folks are gone now but the >>>>>> >>> memories >>>>>> >>> remain including the best lamb I have ever eaten. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Al in Music City >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>>>> >>> To: >>>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:44 PM >>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Lamb Roast >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Nick, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I must admit that I roasted just a leg and used my Weber with >>>>>> >>>> nice >>>>> hot >>>>>> >>>> coals on the side. Pleeeze don't tell any real Croatians about >>>>>> >>>> my >>>>>> >>>> "unorthodox" method of using a Weber! Everyone here loves roast >>>>>> >>>> lamb >>>>>> >>>> except the wife. So it was enough for the gang. But IMHO the >>>>>> >>>> secret >>>>>> >>>> is selecting the right piece, trimming much of the fact and then >>>>>> >>>> coating the lamb with olive oil, salt (I use Croatian Podravka >>>>> Vegeta), >>>>>> >>>> pepper, fresh chopped garlic and rosemary and let it marinate in >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> fridge for a day or more... then setting the piece out about 2 >>>>>> >>>> hours >>>>>> >>>> before placing on the grill. Oh the other trick is slow >>>>>> >>>> roasting, >>>>>> >>>> no >>>>>> >>>> flame, just hot coals and not too close to the coals....mmmm.... >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> It has been several years since our Junior tammie group here in >>>>>> >>>> Cleveland had a picnic... at that time we would take most of Sat >>>>>> >>>> afternoon to set up 8 whole lambs and 9 pigs on spits, then >>>>>> >>>> season >>>>> them >>>>>> >>>> and put them in the cooler for Sun am.. after that we would >>>>>> >>>> feast >>>>>> >>>> on >>>>>> >>>> gulas that I would make along with salad, some wine and >>>>>> >>>> slivovitz >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> one of the father's, who has since passed away would play his >>>>> harmonika >>>>>> >>>> (accordian) and all the guys would dance to his Bosanac songs! >>>>>> >>>> What >>>>> a >>>>>> >>>> sight! Then at 4 AM on Sunday I would meet my friend Mato Vrbic >>>>>> >>>> at >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>> picnic center to prepare the fire... then a little coffee with >>>>>> >>>> slivovitz of course... and about 6AM we would consider the coals >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> the brick lined floor hot enough to place the first few pieces >>>>>> >>>> on >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> spit... then about 11:30 ish the first ones would come off to be >>>>>> >>>> cut >>>>>> >>>> and served.... that Sunday would finish up at about 10-11 PM >>>>>> >>>> making >>>>>> >>>> sure the center was left in better condition than we found it! >>>>>> >>>> Lots >>>>>> >>>> of work but I miss those ! >>>>>> >>>> days... >>>>>> >>>> as they brought back memories of my Grandparent's PLASAJ (Mirko >>>>>> >>>> and >>>>>> >>>> Mary) and my cousin's BAKALE (Ivan and Johanna)farms in PA and >>>>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> picnics we would have there. But they are all gone now so we try >>>>>> >>>> to >>>>>> >>>> carry on some semblance of those traditions..... >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.podravka.com/en/products/index.php?if=new_products.php >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Here is a photo that may bring back some memories >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rogergou/bast4.jpeg >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> nharamija wrote: >>>>>> >>>> Robert; Let us see your grille and how you set it up. >>>>>> >>>> Nick >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>> From: "Robert Jerin" >>>>>> >>>> To: >>>>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:50 AM >>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] Test >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> My wife did those things! I was busy roasting.... lamb! >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Jerome Buza wrote: >>>>>> >>>> That's right!!! 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