OK... here is what I was getting at! Once they sent me a pic of a COA for IWSICH (IVSIC) which is found in Adam Eterovich's book and not a big deal. They then hinted at the offer of more research.. I asked who they (The Croatian Heraldy Office) was and if they could supply references... this is their reply... no names ... no references....for $1,200 to $1,800 they will send, blah, blah, blah... in short a lot of baloney that most likely has nothing to do with my family... and oh by the way they will translate into English ... for an extra fee !!! Wow, how can they offer this so cheap !!!! A typical scam from what I can see! Oh and if anyone has an extra $1,500 around I could suggest better uses for it than this! Merry Christmas, Robert Croatian Heraldry Office <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:18:38 +0100 From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> To: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> Subject: Certificate Dear Mr. Jerin, The team working on certificate is usually put together ad hoc. Who are the experts reviewing the heraldic and genealogy documentation depends very much on origin of applicant and it's ancestors. The applicat is fully informed on who the consultants are. The costs for work and material related to production of certificate usually amount to 1,200 - 1,800 US$. The certificate is in a form of a book, written in Croatian language, usually 10-12 parchment pages, with hand painted colour armorial. The certificate is calf leather bound with gold printed armorial of ours. The whole document is also certified with apostle by Notarius Publicus. For extra low cost we could further provide certified translation in English or any other language. Should you be interested feel free to submit to us the draft of your genealogy. We will then produce a draft text of the certificate and return to you together with further advice. Needles to say, all submitted information (even initial request) is strictly confidential and never shared with someone else. Regards Croatian Heraldry Office On 12/19/06, Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com > wrote: Thank you for providing this info. Can you let me know what your charges will be for this service. And also, since your web page gives such little detail, can you tell me who are the people or officers of your organization? And can you provide me with verifiable references of people who have used your services? Best Regards Robert Jerin "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Robert thanks for the heads up on that ...and thanks for the introduction to Reich Lajos.. You have been very helpful to me as have Dr. T Former. robert At 07:11 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote: >OK... here is what I was getting at! Once they sent me a pic of a >COA for IWSICH (IVSIC) which is found in Adam Eterovich's book and >not a big deal. They then hinted at the offer of more research.. I >asked who they (The Croatian Heraldy Office) was and if they could >supply references... this is their reply... no names ... no >references....for $1,200 to $1,800 they will send, blah, blah, >blah... in short a lot of baloney that most likely has nothing to do >with my family... and oh by the way they will translate into English >... for an extra fee !!! Wow, how can they offer this so cheap >!!!! A typical scam from what I can see! Oh and if anyone has an >extra $1,500 around I could suggest better uses for it than this! > > Merry Christmas, > >Robert > >Croatian Heraldry Office <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:18:38 +0100 >From: "Croatian Heraldry Office" <croatian.heraldry.office@gmail.com> >To: "Robert Jerin" <rjerin26@yahoo.com> >Subject: Certificate > > Dear Mr. Jerin, > > The team working on certificate is usually put together ad hoc. > Who are the experts reviewing the heraldic and genealogy > documentation depends very much on origin of applicant and it's ancestors. > The applicat is fully informed on who the consultants are. > The costs for work and material related to production of > certificate usually amount to 1,200 - 1,800 US$. > The certificate is in a form of a book, written in Croatian > language, usually 10-12 parchment pages, with hand painted colour > armorial. The certificate is calf leather bound with gold printed > armorial of ours. The whole document is also certified with apostle > by Notarius Publicus. >For extra low cost we could further provide certified translation in >English or any other language. > > Should you be interested feel free to submit to us the draft of > your genealogy. > We will then produce a draft text of the certificate and return > to you together with further advice. > > Needles to say, all submitted information (even initial request) > is strictly confidential and never shared with someone else. > > Regards > > Croatian Heraldry Office > > > > On 12/19/06, Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com > wrote: Thank > you for providing this info. Can you let me know what your charges > will be for this service. And also, since your web page gives such > little detail, can you tell me who are the people or officers of > your organization? And can you provide me with verifiable > references of people who have used your services? > > Best Regards > >Robert Jerin > > > > > >"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own >facts", Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ NOD32 1929 (20061219) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com