Dear Tony and Nina, A couple of items in your discussion of Novasel have piqued my interest. My maternal grandmother's maiden name was Kata Brezovic' She was born in Sisljavic near Karlovac 11/22/1899 and sailed from Harve, Bordeaux, France aboard La Savoie arriving Ellis Island 6/27/1914 apparently alone at age 14. She settled in Clairton, PA and married my grandfather, an immigrant from Bosnia. I have been able to locate her birth certificate, the passenger manifest, which showed her age as 16, and even, as the result of a posting on another site, discovered an English-speaking second cousin, al;so interested in family history, who was able to provide me with 200 years of genealogy and history. What I have never been able to figure out is how she got from Sisljavic or Karlovac to La Havre. Since your Novosel relatives also sailed from La Havre, perhaps you can shed some light on how and why they sailed from there instead of, say, Trieste, which seems to be closer. I am guessing it might have had something to do with World War I and the assination of the Archduke, but am just guessing. Any insights? Andrija -----Original Message----- >From: "L. Novasel" <nimbler@mindspring.com> >Sent: Feb 19, 2007 4:18 PM >To: croatia@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CROATIA] NOVOSEL in Karlovac > >Tony, >Thank you for the Novosel and Schuman information. It is very possible >Mijo worked in the Pennsylvania coal mines after his arrival. Our >biggest obstacle in tracking his American addresses has been the fact >that at some point after entry he changed his name to Smith. When he >married in 1912 it was as Mike Smith. Go figure. > >I've been operating from Mijo's birthdate as we know it, and the fact >that we know he arrived in 1900-1901 from Karlovac. The surname seems >to be common throughout the county of Karlovac.That is very interesting >about the Schuman surname in Penn. Mijo's marriage license does indeed >indicate mother's Schumann surname. It sounds Germanic but I guess the >truth is to be found in the parish registers, arriving soon. > >Thanks so much for your help, >Nina > >On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:34 PM, tony zugay wrote: > >> Nina, >> Don't know if this is any help. I was born and raised in Steelton Penna >> and knew a Novosel family there. My mother was born in Lovic, Croatia >> which is in Karlovac Zupanja (County) and about 25 km from the city of >> Karlovac . She was born in 1895 and her godparents were Pavao and Ana >> Novosel. I have looked at birth records from Pribic (the parish where >> she was baptized) and see the name Novosel in those church records >> often. I glanced through the Ellis island list and saw a number of >> Mijo Novosels listed but none that would have been born in 1882 and >> arrived in 1901. If Mijo was naturalized it's possible that he would >> have had to produce a birth/baptism certificate that would have his >> parents name. >> Also, there was a Croatian family in our neighborhood that spelled >> their name SHUMAN. >> Good luck, >> Tony Zugay >> On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:14 AM, L. Novasel wrote: >> >>> Mijo Novosel was born Sept.20,1882 in Karlovac, Croatia. He arrived in >>> America, Ellis island, September 1, 1901 via Le Havre. Family >>> documents >>> list Karlovac as his town of origin. Do not know if that reference is >>> to the town or perhaps the county. We have ordered the Karlovac >>> Catholic parish records from FHC in hopes of finding his parents, >>> grandparents. He and a male sibling were raised by an uncle in >>> Karlovac, of whom we have no information. Mijo's 1912 marriage license >>> notes his mother's surname as Schumann, likely a misspelling. Can >>> anyone suggest possible Croatian/ Karlovaki surnames that might sound >>> like Schumann to an American clerk? >>> >>> In preparing for the transcriptions from the church books, is there >>> a >>> Karlovac Family Register that would help keep us on the right path? >>> Also, is there a local genealogy or history association that might be >>> able to do lookups and provide historical background? Is there an >>> online list of cemetery sites in this town? >>> >>> Nina >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message