I believe it would be ja se ti... i has the sound of long e. hummerpleshe <hummerpleshe@comcast.net> wrote: that should be "jes te magarac" On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:57 PM, hummerpleshe wrote: > And then there was "Je te magarac" which I will swear my father > explained to me as an under the breath curse of a Magyar (Hungarian) > oppressor. Like they assumed the man would assume they meant "magyar" > but in reality they were being cursed and letting off a little steam > :-) > On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Robert Jerin wrote: > >> Andrija, >> >> Not that they can't affored vowels... the R serves the function of a >> vowel when it is adjacent to 2 consonants... I love that part of the >> language... very phonetic... very practical...it is the cases that >> drive me crazy. I guess your father left later and the travel changed >> for instance most Croatians would use Bremen but then after 1913 (WW I >> effected things) other ports incl. Liverpool were used more >> frequently... the burro is called magarac in Croatian... and in case >> it is not known the American Folk Hero Joe Magarac, of Pittsburgh >> Steel worker fame, was most likely taken from the Croatian word >> magarac Thus my friend Joe Matesich from Pittsburgh has a long >> running campaign to recruit people into the Magarac Club he even had >> shirts made with the mural of Joe Magarac from the U. of Pittsburgh >> >> >> http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/uag/Past-Exhibitions/2000_Uwe_Wittwer/ >> gropper.jpg >> >> ... as he meets new Croatian immigrants he will ask ti si >> magarac?... of course they respond ni sam magarac ! until they hear >> the story of this hard working Croatian... and then they smile and say >> ja sam magarac! >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Magarac >> >> Robert >> >> Andrija --------------------------------- wrote: >> My fahter's parents, who lived in Lovrec, Imotski, traveled from >> Trieste. I guess it was closer - just a burro ride down the mountain >> to the Adriadic, then to Split, and by train to Trieste (which they >> still call "Trst.) I guess they can't afford vowels. >> >> Andrija >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Donald A. Martinich" >>> Sent: Feb 20, 2007 6:54 PM >>> To: croatia@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] CROATIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 >>> >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:56:40 -0800 >>>> From: "L. Novasel" >>>> Subject: Re: [CROATIA] NOVOSEL in Karlovac >>>> To: Andrija >> --------------------------------- >> , croatia@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <3EAE692A-C12D-11DB-97E5-000A95D1E4BE@mindspring.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Andrija, >>>> As a newcomer to Croatian research I'm only assuming that the same >>>> context applies there as elsewhere in Europe. >>>> Le Havre was a pivotal trading center in the years our ancestors >>>> filed >>>> for emigration. I understand there was a circular route, making >>>> optimum >>>> use of the ships. Cotton leaving from New Orleans for instance was >>>> routed to London where the cargo was unloaded. The ship then loaded >>>> trade goods destined for Le Havre, unloaded again, and took aboard >>>> human cargo bound for America, completing the trade circle for the >>>> shipping company. >>>> >>>> The contractor or travel organizer went into the villages, signed up >>>> our emigrating great grandmothers and grandfathers, then escorted >>>> them >>>> to the shipper's home port, with whom he in turn had contracted. My >>>> guess is that they traveled up the rivers avoiding trouble spots in >>>> the >>>> years preceding the war. Interesting Trieste wasn't utilized, but >>>> hazarding another guess, there was most likely not trade material in >>>> sufficient quantity to make the route profitable. Presumably the >>>> political- economic instability would have guaranteed that. Just >>>> speculation though. >>>> >>>> Nina >>> >>> Actually, Trieste was a port of embarkation. I just don't think it >>> had anywhere the tonnage that came in and out of Le Havre. My father >>> and his family arrived at Ellis Island on the SS Martha Washington, >>> which was operated out of Trieste by Unione Austriaca from 1908 to >>> 1914. After WW1, she transferred to the Italian owned Cosulich >>> Lines, also of Trieste, and continued the New York run through the >>> 20's. 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