Hi Tony, Hope all is well with you and G,,,,,,a. That 25 day journey is one reason the other, seemly longer routes overland and sea, were used. They took approximately 2 weeks, I don't believe that a long sea journey in steerage, in those days was very pleasant. Robert tony zugay <tozug@satx.rr.com> wrote: Bill. My father came through Trieste in 1909 and looking at the ship manifest it followed your Patmos, Naples, Algers route. The voyage in 1909 took 25 days. Tony On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:29 PM, wfkane@juno.com wrote: > Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from > Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis > Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive > tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the > states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket > included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of > disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre > was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The > shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and > cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships > left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to > depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the > Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although > several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of > immigrants to the New World. M! > y wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all > came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us > of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station > and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. > When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all > their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board > the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more > passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US > market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to > Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the > journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island > they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local > train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived > in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the > Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed! > to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop shi > p to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis > Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross > Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one > of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started > immigration came to a near standstill. > My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his > village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for > the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold > all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. > This was in 1905. > > Bill Kane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982

Just dawned on me that the immigrant needed to be at the port of departure several days in advance, so add that to the journey. And the sea journey could take as little as 10 days. Also if they traveled post WW I then the processing was done at an US Embassy or US Consulate in the immigrants home country, not at Ellis Island. After 1924 Ellis Island was used only as a dentention center. Robert Robert Jerin <rjerin26@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Tony, Hope all is well with you and G,,,,,,a. That 25 day journey is one reason the other, seemly longer routes overland and sea, were used. They took approximately 2 weeks, I don't believe that a long sea journey in steerage, in those days was very pleasant. Robert tony zugay wrote: Bill. My father came through Trieste in 1909 and looking at the ship manifest it followed your Patmos, Naples, Algers route. The voyage in 1909 took 25 days. Tony On Feb 20, 2007, at 4:29 PM, wfkane@juno.com wrote: > Let me see if I can clear up some of the mystery of travel from > Croatia and other parts of Europe to the US and particularly to Ellis > Island. In Croatia the steamship companies were selling all inclusive > tickets from the villages where the emigrants lived all the way to the > states maybe even to their final destination in the States. The ticket > included passage by train from the nearest r.r. station to the port of > disembarcation. There were many such ports that were used. Le Havre > was one of the largest but also Hamburg, Rotterdam, and others. The > shipping companys also put up the passengers in boarding houses and > cheap hotels at the port of departure for a few days before the ships > left the port as they usually arrived before the ship was ready to > depart. Trieste was also used, Trieste was under the control of the > Austrian Hungarian Empire at the time and was a minor port although > several Autrian shipping companies existed and sent hundreds of > immigrants to the New World. M! > y wife's grandfather and grandmother and her father and uncle all > came to Ellis Island through the port of Trieste. Her father told us > of his travels from his village by wagon to the nearest r.r.station > and then the train to Zagreb where they changed trains to Trieste. > When they arrived there they were put up in a boarding house were all > their meals were furnished for 4 days until they were able to board > the ship. The ship stopped in Patnos Greece where it loaded more > passengers and also took on some cargo including olives for the US > market. Next it was Naples where it loaded lemons, and then on to > Algiers where it took on enough coal for it boilers to make the > journey across the ocean to N.Y. When they arrived at Ellis Island > they had tickets by train to Chigago where they changed to a local > train to get them to Kenosha WI their final destination. They arrived > in New York two weeks before the start of W.W.I. Their ship, the > Martha Washington, was impouded and not allowed! > to sail back to Trieste. It was later put into service as a troop shi > p to get US troops to Europe. Now your grandmother arrived at Ellis > Island 2 days after W.W.I began so it was possible for her to cross > Europe by train and disembark from LeHarve with no problem and be one > of the last persons to make it to the US. After the war started > immigration came to a near standstill. > My wife's other grandfather went with several other men from his > village by rail to Rotterdam where they boarded the ship Noordam for > the trip to N.Y. and then on to Pittsburg. The steamship company sold > all five of them tickets from Croatia to the U.S. by rail and ship. > This was in 1905. > > Bill Kane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CROATIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand 1905-1982